(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3000]OT[5x50 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-07-10]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Hu [12k\]: Hello
impulse [9k\]: yes
XperiMenT [8k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: hyello
swilks [7k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: nihao
Titonio [11k\]: hello
kirschi [16k\]: hello
Scribe [-\]: good sound
Hu [12k\]: So loud sound is a bit distorted.
ChwingLufy [3k\]: hi
ohmygosh [7k\]: perfect
kirschi [16k\]: good
murky: Great sond
braincrash [?\]: sound great
zee [11k\]: Should know all the ways so that if one way does not work you try the other
Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]C[agui [8k\]: Hello
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: Last week's omework first
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[nd]CR[nd]LB[qc:A]C[hansb [4k?\]: three ways
Scribe [-\]: how many ways can white attack black
seidelin [9k\]: 2
ChwingLufy [3k\]: 1
impulse [9k\]: yes
ohmygosh [7k\]: :)
seidelin [9k\]: yes
snowmen [2d\]: 2
reanef [?\]: 2
tuesday: t18, r18, p18?
hansb [4k?\]: R18, T18 and P18 indeed
swissgo [11k\]: r19
goglu [-\]: I see 2 ways
hansb [4k?\]: black dies
goglu [-\]: 2 ways to kill
reanef [?\]: 2 ways
alfredC: if I may : this time sound is too lound, hence much distorted (by me)...
ChwingLufy [3k\]: 2ways
ChwingLufy [3k\]: r17
tuesday: tenuki is bigger?
agui [8k\]: R18, T18
ChwingLufy [3k\]: t17
ChwingLufy [3k\]: t17
reanef [?\]: t18
Scribe [-\]: r17 not good, results in ko
letmeplay [3k\]: do you hear well ?
dadada: r18
agui [8k\]: R18
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[dreamtime [9k\]: r18
Rauli [1k?\]: P18 :-)
goglu [-\]: T18
Grimley [7k\]: bad sound quality
Scribe [-\]: t17: also ko
agui [8k\]: R18
agui [8k\]: T18
Scribe [-\]: p18: kills
zee [11k\]: p18 kills
Scribe [-\]: t18 kills
zee [11k\]: r18 also kills
Scribe [-\]: r18 kills
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[dreamtime [9k\]: with r17 black live by ko
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[impulse [9k\]: no
]))
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[zee [11k\]: t17 also ko
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[wrong [3d?\]: ko
puzi [10k\]: kinda the same
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Rauli [1k?\]: T18
hansb [4k?\]: R18
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[zee [11k\]: t18
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[wrong [3d?\]: 3 ways: here, there and elsewhere ;)
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[reanef [?\]: R18 
Rauli [1k?\]: P18 again ;-P
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[dreamtime [9k\]: r18
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[reanef [?\]: S18 
impulse [9k\]: p18
aboulafia [13k\]: s18 seems enough
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[zee [11k\]: t18 also kills
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[agui [8k\]: q17
reanef [?\]: t18
wrong [3d?\]: t18
]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[rb]CR[rb])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[agui [8k\]: R18
]
;W[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[wingnut [-\]: clear
reanef [?\]: yea
agui [8k\]: yes
dreamtime [9k\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: clear as the sky
balin [7k?\]: the best way is......;)
Grimley [7k\]: clear as your voice should be
wrong [3d?\]: ming is king
zee [11k\]: q19 also kills
]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[ae]CR[ae]C[wrong [3d?\]: a newbie problem
]
(;W[nr]CR[nr]C[wrong [3d?\]: leave killing for later, like in movies
zee [11k\]: W can kill here... easy
]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[rs]CR[rs])
(;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[puzi [10k\]: oh that stuff again ^^
]
;B[ag]CR[ag]C[agui [8k\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: yup
]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[rs]CR[rs]C[zee [11k\]: this way also
]
;B[ms]CR[ms]C[Grimley [7k\]: same as last week
]
;W[ns]CR[ns])
(;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[ag]CR[ag]
;W[kq]CR[kq]C[plonk [21k\]: no
hansb [4k?\]: yes
zee [11k\]: with m2, can W kill
Grimley [7k\]: yes
wrong [3d?\]: s1?
]
;B[ah]CR[ah]
;W[os]CR[os]C[Grimley [7k\]: s1
zee [11k\]: b can live now
]
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[ms]CR[ms]
;B[ps]CR[ps])
(;B[bs]CR[bs]C[puzi [10k\]: proverb: catch 3 for an eye
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[br]CR[br]
(;W[bq]CR[bq])
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[bn]CR[bn]LB[ao:A][ar:B][os:C][rs:D]C[zee [11k\]: Here, there are two ways for W to kill: A and B
zee [11k\]: C does not work in the lower right
zee [11k\]: but how about D?
wrong [3d?\]: the way a samurai should think^^
agui [8k\]: yes very clear
Grimley [7k\]: clear
Ahndraniel [15k\]: clear
wrong [3d?\]: clear as the board ^_^
BlueJays [?\]: now
wingnut [-\]: later
Grimley [7k\]: later
wrong [3d?\]: homework
dadada: later
Ahndraniel [15k\]: later
ohmygosh [7k\]: later
wrong [3d?\]: homework
]))))))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[po]CR[po]C[zee [11k\]: Game
Scribe [-\]: Game Review
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[goglu [-\]: no
wrong [3d?\]: if it doesn't work, take a bigger hammer
wingnut [-\]: nope
agui [8k\]: no
Kerrick [17k\]: no
Ahndraniel [15k\]: no
wingnut [-\]: seems strange
hansb [4k?\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: no
puzi [10k\]: no sense for direction
wingnut [-\]: not good shape
Kerrick [17k\]: 4x5 pretty rare too :-)
Scribe [-\]: bad relationship between L3 and q5
zee [11k\]: What is this fuseki?
puzi [10k\]: b doesnt know hat he wants
]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]C[wrong [3d?\]: it was a missclick
wrong [3d?\]: L4 would be better here?
]
(;B[pq]CR[pq])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[zee [11k\]: now q3 is bad
agui [8k\]: better
Scribe [-\]: hard for black to play q3, L3 now in wrong position
balin [7k?\]: slow
murky: strange
Rauli [1k?\]: overextension on left side
]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: black is too low
zee [11k\]: this way ok
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[dp][fq][kq]C[wingnut [-\]: game
Rauli [1k?\]: f4 better?
Phil73 [20k\]: overconcentration ?
wrong [3d?\]: all B stones on one side
goglu [-\]: bad for black
agui [8k\]: no
Rauli [1k?\]: kinda low
agui [8k\]: too low
Kerrick [17k\]: i like g3
wingnut [-\]: low
wrong [3d?\]: F3-L3 too far
ohmygosh [7k\]: f4
puzi [10k\]: black should consider the stones already on the board :)
zee [11k\]: B is very low
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[wrong [3d?\]: B moves in a mysterious way
murky: except for lonely Q11
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Rauli [1k?\]: :-)
Rauli [1k?\]: "this is a very interesting move" :-)
Scribe [-\]: very interesting move
agui [8k\]: not joseki
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: black trying to use 34 joseki against 44 stone
agui [8k\]: too thin
reanef [?\]: how to kill it ? :)
agui [8k\]: black
wingnut [-\]: B mistake
ohmygosh [7k\]: i just wnt to know how to punısh:))
agui [8k\]: P14
balin [7k?\]: cut ^^
Ahndraniel [15k\]: cut
Rauli [1k?\]: just r17?
wrong [3d?\]: W takes some "sake" here
murky: O16?
swilks [7k\]: why not white r17 and wait for cut?
]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]C[BlueJays [?\]: q14
wingnut [-\]: W gives B a chance with R15 
]
(;B[re]CR[re]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Grimley [7k\]: good for black
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: game as played
wingnut [-\]: I like W
goglu [-\]: white is good
Rauli [1k?\]: bad for black
Scribe [-\]: very very good for white
hansb [4k?\]: J17
Rauli [1k?\]: J17?
wingnut [-\]: now even game or B slight lead
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[agui [8k\]: P17
zee [11k\]: B should play on top but where?
]
(;W[kc]CR[kc])
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Rauli [1k?\]: G17
wingnut [-\]: G17 
hansb [4k?\]: G17
Grimley [7k\]: g17
agui [8k\]: g17
Scribe [-\]: split top, allows good extension on either side
zee [11k\]: good for W
]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[seidelin [9k\]: why
zee [11k\]: g17 is correct
Ahndraniel [15k\]: use wall
Grimley [7k\]: L16
murky: N17, M16, N15 combo
Scribe [-\]: L16 is very big move
murky: 7k =7p
Scribe [-\]: white must attack the two black stones
puzi [10k\]: cool am i judan then?
zee [11k\]: now W cannot l16
]
(;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Scribe [-\]: g17 correct direction
DrGoPlayer [-\]: drive b towrd thickness
Scribe [-\]: drive black to wall
zee [11k\]: game
wrong [3d?\]: small?
wingnut [-\]: wrong direction
murky: W should split
agui [8k\]: mot good
Grimley [7k\]: bad, no corner territory. l16 maybe instead?
puzi [10k\]: dont protect teritorry open to 2 sides
ligo [9k?\]: h15
Scribe [-\]: top right compromised already
Rauli [1k?\]: helps black
goglu [-\]: what does it accomplish ?
agui [8k\]: black  jumps
Grimley [7k\]: L16
agui [8k\]: M15
puzi [10k\]: m15
wingnut [-\]: H15 
braincrash [?\]: l16
Rauli [1k?\]: couldn't white just C15?
leu [12k\]: q3
murky: M15 W helps B
Scribe [-\]: cant play L16 now
wingnut [-\]: yep
murky: Yes
swilks [7k\]: yes.
agui [8k\]: yes very clear thank you
Hu [12k\]: Any guidence about such plays about when to invade in the center of an open area or when to go to the sides of the open area (like at the top)?
ihgo [5k\]: can white attack at H15 ?
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Scribe [-\]: m16 helps black strong
zee [11k\]: game
]
(;W[kd]CR[kd]C[wingnut [-\]: bad exchange for W
])
(;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ie]CR[ie]TR[pf][pg][ph][pi]C[Scribe [-\]: black is thankful to white
murky: after W got lots then lost lots
zee [11k\]: B is ahead here
][Scribe [-\]: black is thankful to white
]))
(;W[le]CR[le]C[zee [11k\]: W should use the wall
]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jf]CR[jf]C[agui [8k\]: ok clear !!
]
;B[if]CR[if]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[zee [11k\]: left side is gone
]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[kf]CR[kf]C[Scribe [-\]: dont use weall to make territory
Kerrick [17k\]: ruin white moyo
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: use wall to attack as ANVIL not as HAMMER
])
(;W[he]CR[he]C[BlueJays [?\]: m16
])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]C[os69os [8k\]: l17
zee [11k\]: L16 is the right move
])
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[tuesday: j15?
])
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[mc]CR[mc])
(;W[kd]CR[kd]TR[qe][pf][pg][ph][pi][pj]C[goglu [-\]: L16 seems a good idea
Grimley [7k\]: lol
ohmygosh [7k\]: eheh
Grimley [7k\]: it should be 7p;)
zee [11k\]: What happens in lower right corner?
zee [11k\]: q5?
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[zee [11k\]: left side bigger than right
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[agui [8k\]: yes very nice, thanks
]
(;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[je]CR[je]C[zee [11k\]: correct way
]
;W[if]CR[if]C[Scribe [-\]: moyo is growing
])
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Rauli [1k?\]: I don't like black L17 :-/
]))
(;W[jd]CR[jd]C[wingnut [-\]: shoulder-hit
Grimley [7k\]: bad
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[agui [8k\]: interesting
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[murky: wrong side
dadada: wrong direction 
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Grimley [7k\]: black runs into white's moyo
]
;B[id]CR[id]C[puzi [10k\]: attack from opposite side you want to attack from :)
zee [11k\]: this way not good
]))
(;B[le]CR[le])
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[Hu [12k\]: Why J17 and not F17?
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[zee [11k\]: this is better for B
braincrash [?\]: balanced
]
;B[ke]CR[ke]C[murky: B should play J15
agui [8k\]: could black P17 before L17 ?
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[ig]CR[ig])))
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[wrong [3d?\]: W should O14?
]
;W[se]CR[se]TR[rd]C[wrong [3d?\]: I mean Q14
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]))
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[agui [8k\]: q14
Grimley [7k\]: thnx
]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[wingnut [-\]: punishment
Grimley [7k\]: what if black s14?
wingnut [-\]: ish 
agui [8k\]: yes
Ahndraniel [15k\]: yes
Grimley [7k\]: instead of s15
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[pe]CR[pe]TR[rd]C[zee [11k\]: nW should q14 first
]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[zee [11k\]: hard for B to fix his shape
Scribe [-\]: hard for black to fix his shape
]
(;W[ni]CR[ni]C[wingnut [-\]: B in bad shape
]
;B[mh]CR[mh])
(;W[ri]CR[ri]C[Scribe [-\]: hard to attack the white single stone
]))
(;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[zee [11k\]: B should play q13 first to kill W stone
Scribe [-\]: therefore white should choose the attach and block
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[murky: giving chance to your opponent is a crime
Scribe [-\]: both okay
])
(;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Grimley [7k\]: ok
])))
(;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Scribe [-\]: now very good for black
zee [11k\]: one stone and one point
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[wrong [3d?\]: Q11 feels lonely?
murky: some aji left
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[BlueJays [?\]: no
murky: Yes
agui [8k\]: no
reanef [?\]: no
Kerrick [17k\]: ok for both?
hansb [4k?\]: good 4 black
Rauli [1k?\]: s15 is a silly move
zee [11k\]: exchange is good for W
]
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[wingnut [-\]: this way W helps B
Scribe [-\]: now very good for black
zee [11k\]: here, W r15 is bad for W
])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[se]CR[se]C[zee [11k\]: if B hane, W gets one only
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qd]CR[qd]TR[rd][sd]C[zee [11k\]: B gets 3 points
])
(;B[oc]CR[oc]))
(;B[se]CR[se]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[rd]CR[rd])))
(;B[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: much better
])))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[wrong [3d?\]: low chinese
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[ne]CR[ne])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]C[wingnut [-\]: this weeks homework
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
(;W[qc]CR[qc])
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
murky: How many ways
zee [11k\]: How many ways for W to attack?
balin [7k?\]: many many;)
Uvas [-\]: bye mingjiu, thanks for lesson!
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Ing Foundation and Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
wingnut [-\]: thanks Mingjiu, Ing Goe foundation & transcribing 
au2 [3k\]: THANKS
murky: Thank you 
seidelin [9k\]: thank you
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much
balin [7k?\]: thx
Souporman [16k\]: thank you
SAD21 [18k\]: thank you
nux [19k\]: thank you
Kerrick [17k\]: thank you
kirschi [16k\]: thanks
zee [11k\]: Thanks to you and the ING foundation
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
reanef [?\]: thank you
plonk [21k\]: thx, interesting
au2 [3k\]: bye
murky: See you later Gomaster
]))))