(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3000]OT[5x50 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-07-17]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Sumo [8k?\]: hi
agui [8k\]: Hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
puzi [8k\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: Hello
au2 [3k\]: HELLO
beginner [13k\]: hello
jantiff [5k?\]: hello :)
au2 [3k\]: YES
Stalker [7k\]: hi
wrong [?\]: ni hao mingjiu liao shi
rarr [5k?\]: Hi mingjiu
Ermac [7k\]: hello
Q [10k\]: hello
frst [1k?\]: hi
jm2: hi
Ruutana [10k\]: Hello! ^_^
Phil73 [19k\]: Hello, yes.
wingnut [-\]: hi 
Noobie123 [24k?\]: hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes - very clear
murky: Hi
murky: Ko is the soul of Go
wrong [?\]: stones are heart ^_^
agui [8k\]: yes please
Phil73 [19k\]: why r6 ?
]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [?\]: are you at jujo's place?????
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework first!
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Tarkam [?\]: no sound ?
zee [11k\]: Homework first
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[Chachi [9k\]: sound seems ok
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[qh]CR[qh]LB[ae:A]C[Scribe [-\]: How many ways for White to attack Black
murky: many ways
wrong [?\]: R16 the 1st?
Phil73 [19k\]: Four.
SAD21 [18k\]: 4
GuLOOM [8k\]: 5
agui [8k\]: 3
Chachi [9k\]: 2
wrong [?\]: let's roll a dice ^_^
murky: 6
goglu [-\]: I see 3 ways but there might be more
hansb [4k?\]: black can make ko
rarr [5k?\]: b r16 lives
hansb [4k?\]: S15
Sumo [8k?\]: black one way
wrong [?\]: s15
Sumo [8k?\]: T18
kyrilin [14k\]: s15
wrong [?\]: it's ko I think
Sumo [8k?\]: :P
agui [8k\]: one way to live
agui [8k\]: yes
Phil73 [19k\]: Yes.
HyperSonic [15k\]: T16
Q [10k\]: a a15 :)
siegoman [13k\]: A on A15
wingnut [-\]: A is at A15 
][Scribe [-\]: How many ways for White to attack Black
murky: many ways
wrong [?\]: R16 the 1st?
Phil73 [19k\]: Four.
SAD21 [18k\]: 4
GuLOOM [8k\]: 5
agui [8k\]: 3
Chachi [9k\]: 2
wrong [?\]: let's roll a dice ^_^
murky: 6
goglu [-\]: I see 3 ways but there might be more
hansb [4k?\]: black can make ko
rarr [5k?\]: b r16 lives
hansb [4k?\]: S15
Sumo [8k?\]: black one way
wrong [?\]: s15
Sumo [8k?\]: T18
kyrilin [14k\]: s15
wrong [?\]: it's ko I think
Sumo [8k?\]: :P
agui [8k\]: one way to live
agui [8k\]: yes
Phil73 [19k\]: Yes.
HyperSonic [15k\]: T16
][Scribe [-\]: How many ways for White to attack Black
murky: many ways
wrong [?\]: R16 the 1st?
Phil73 [19k\]: Four.
SAD21 [18k\]: 4
GuLOOM [8k\]: 5
agui [8k\]: 3
Chachi [9k\]: 2
wrong [?\]: let's roll a dice ^_^
murky: 6
goglu [-\]: I see 3 ways but there might be more
hansb [4k?\]: black can make ko
rarr [5k?\]: b r16 lives
hansb [4k?\]: S15
Sumo [8k?\]: black one way
wrong [?\]: s15
Sumo [8k?\]: T18
kyrilin [14k\]: s15
wrong [?\]: it's ko I think
Sumo [8k?\]: :P
agui [8k\]: one way to live
agui [8k\]: yes
Phil73 [19k\]: Yes.
HyperSonic [15k\]: T16
]
(;B[sr]CR[sr]C[puzi [8k\]: 4
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]C[seidelin [9k\]: 1
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[ag]CR[ag]C[wrong [?\]: t18 is...
]
;W[mq]CR[mq]LB[md:A][mn:B]C[murky: dice has no 7
frst [1k?\]: 7
frst [1k?\]: 8
kyrilin [14k\]: haha
Phil73 [19k\]: 5.
agui [8k\]: 3
puzi [8k\]: 4
ArCosH [5k\]: B 300
goglu [-\]: black is dead below
puzi [8k\]: b: 4
wrong [?\]: r2, q3, s1, q1...
kyrilin [14k\]: game looks good for w ^^
GuLOOM [8k\]: b cannot survive 
murky: B is trick question
murky: B is dead
wrong [?\]: B is hamete?
agui [8k\]: A  3 ways
puzi [8k\]: still say 4 ^^*
Sumo [8k?\]: B 7 ways
Phil73 [19k\]: 4.
agui [8k\]: not sure :(
rarr [5k?\]: I see.. 2 ways
]
;B[ah]CR[ah]C[Sekimoto [12k\]: no ways here
wrong [?\]: r16, s17
])
(;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
(;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[se]CR[se]C[agui [8k\]: ahhh
]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[puzi [8k\]: b 116?
wingnut [-\]: yes
beginner [13k\]: clear
agui [8k\]: yes thanks
]
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [-\]: now black livews
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[re]CR[re])
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[puzi [8k\]: -1
]
;B[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [-\]: makes ko
]
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[rc]CR[rc])))
(;B[ae]CR[ae]LB[rc:F][qd:A][re:B][se:C][rf:D]C[wrong [?\]: I KNOW why the number of ways to attack is important!!!!
seidelin [9k\]: 1 good one
goglu [-\]: 4 ways
siegoman [13k\]: it appears that some stones are more critical than others, for example R18 and S16
wingnut [-\]: B win on time :)
ArCosH [5k\]: almost every move beside t19
wrong [?\]: coz if ko occurs, some ways create more possible ko threats
HyperSonic [15k\]: 5
goglu [-\]: T14 
jantiff [5k?\]: also T14
wrong [?\]: s15
wingnut [-\]: T15 ?
wrong [?\]: if we rolled a dice, we'd get 6 ^_^
kyrilin [14k\]: t16?
ricecooker [?\]: you have 60% chance to get right move even if u clicked randomly
wrong [?\]: i think the lesson would be much more interesting if we could see minjiu's gestures...
][wrong [?\]: I KNOW why the number of ways to attack is important!!!!
seidelin [9k\]: 1 good one
goglu [-\]: 4 ways
siegoman [13k\]: it appears that some stones are more critical than others, for example R18 and S16
wingnut [-\]: B win on time :)
ArCosH [5k\]: almost every move beside t19
wrong [?\]: coz if ko occurs, some ways create more possible ko threats
HyperSonic [15k\]: 5
goglu [-\]: T14 
jantiff [5k?\]: also T14
wrong [?\]: s15
wingnut [-\]: T15 ?
wrong [?\]: if we rolled a dice, we'd get 6 ^_^
kyrilin [14k\]: t16?
ricecooker [?\]: you have 60% chance to get right move even if u clicked randomly
]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[rf]CR[rf]C[murky: t16 doesn't work either
])
(;W[re]CR[re])
(;W[af]CR[af]LB[sb:A][rc:B][qd:C][re:D][se:E][rf:G][sf:F][sg:H]C[agui [8k\]: :))
murky: cool
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[re]CR[re]LB[sf:A][sg:B]
;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[re]CR[re])
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[agui [8k\]: ko
kyrilin [14k\]: ko
]
;B[re]CR[re]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;W[se]CR[se]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[agui [8k\]: ko
]))
(;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[se]CR[se])
(;W[sf]CR[sf])
(;W[sg]CR[sg]C[puzi [8k\]: *grin*
wingnut [-\]: uh huh
wrong [?\]: ...and expressions on his face when he "discoveres" something
seidelin [9k\]: clear
Q [10k\]: ok
beginner [13k\]: clear
puzi [8k\]: his "oops" is enough for me :)
agui [8k\]: yes very clear
])))
(;B[cp]CR[cp]C[yfh2 [11k?\]: what if W does not play C7 ?
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[wingnut [-\]: Joseki Mistakes
]
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[jantiff [5k?\]: time to punish ;-)
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[rarr [5k?\]: nadare
jantiff [5k?\]: no :)
wrong [?\]: the art of punishment ;)
Ruutana [10k\]: Yes.
impulse [9k\]: avalanche
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[be]CR[be]C[murky: small avalanche
goglu [-\]: Small avalanche
Ruutana [10k\]: I love that joseki...
]
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[de]CR[de]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: wasnt this in the 38 Basic Joseki?
]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: must not capture
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[jantiff [5k?\]: :)
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[wrong [?\]: ooops
])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[agui [8k\]: :))
]))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[puzi [8k\]: i dont like nadare, too many variations :'(
Scribe [-\]: when ladder good for black, black and extend
]
(;W[bf]CR[bf]C[wrong [?\]: the master yoda would say "to capture u must not"
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[Ruutana [10k\]: o_O
XperiMenT [8k\]: B
agui [8k\]: for b
])
(;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[agui [8k\]: good for black
]
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[frst [1k?\]: d14
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[he]CR[he]C[kyrilin [14k\]: white
Chachi [9k\]: white
wingnut [-\]: hmmm
yfh2 [11k?\]: neither
agui [8k\]: black
seidelin [9k\]: white
Sumo [8k?\]: b
])
(;W[bc]CR[bc]C[seilen: black's very nice there
wrong [?\]: the early worm is caught by the bird ^_^
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[agui [8k\]: ahhh, very interesting
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[dadada [?\]: e18 
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ba]CR[ba]C[XperiMenT [8k\]: B17 bad?
jantiff [5k?\]: B14 is bad
Phil73 [19k\]: d19 is the difference.
puzi [8k\]: b17 looks as though its only for o-nadare
wingnut [-\]: W better
XperiMenT [8k\]: B
parsan [16k\]: b
agui [8k\]: for white
icewater [9k?\]: for black
Xai [15k\]: even ;)
mashin [5k?\]: b
siegoman [13k\]: black G18 is sente... and appears to seal in white.
])
(;B[bb]CR[bb]C[frst [1k?\]: d16
]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[ArCosH [5k\]: no
agui [8k\]: no
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[wingnut [-\]: no
]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[bf]CR[bf]C[agui [8k\]: 4 to 3
puzi [8k\]: yes as b
])
(;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[bf]CR[bf])
(;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[wingnut [-\]: nope
Ives08 [7k?\]: worse
agui [8k\]: yes for black
])
(;W[db]CR[db]C[agui [8k\]: How about white D18
zee [11k\]: b17 is a mistake here
parsan [16k\]: tenuki
puzi [8k\]: resign :)
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
(;B[ac]CR[ac]C[Sandre [?\]: B19
]
(;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
(;W[bf]CR[bf]C[wrong [?\]: ko
seilen: yes ko
]
;B[gb]CR[gb])
(;W[ea]CR[ea]C[agui [8k\]: nice
frst [1k?\]: ee19
seilen: g18
parsan [16k\]: G18 
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[agui [8k\]: ko
Xikkuh [19k\]: g18
]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ff]CR[ff]))
(;W[ba]CR[ba]C[jantiff [5k?\]: good for b
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[ff]CR[ff]))
(;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[ac]CR[ac]C[Sandre [?\]: after :)
]))))
(;B[bb]CR[bb]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[fc]CR[fc])
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[wrong [?\]: E19 ko
]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[icewater [9k?\]: interesting
seilen: yes
icewater [9k?\]: yes
parsan [16k\]: yes
Chachi [9k\]: yes
Kerrick [16k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes clear, thanks
wingnut [-\]: no, but it's clearer :)
Xikkuh [19k\]: yes
wrong [?\]: nadare is hard even for pros
seilen: lol
]))))))
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[zee [11k\]: game
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[Tercel [16k?\]: so whats the suggested move?
murky: MingJiu ever seen this pincer
agui [8k\]: ok
XperiMenT [8k\]: what is the btter move?
hansb [4k?\]: nice to know
agui [8k\]: It's importasnt !!
XperiMenT [8k\]: *better
Kamiah [?\]: thanks for the ideas
icewater [9k?\]: good to know
puzi [8k\]: important direction :)
au2 [3k\]: is a high pincer at D11 better ?
wrong [?\]: probably no pincer here
yfh2 [11k?\]: question : end of sequence : W C7 ?
jantiff [5k?\]: i like E3 instead for w
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[zee [11k\]: B is better
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]LB[ch:A]C[murky: B@W hearts
]
;B[di]CR[di]C[ArCosH [5k\]: more hard than heart
murky: There must be a mistake here
murky: A is problem move for W
Chalx [4k\]: what if w peeps at D5?
wrong [?\]: low pincer not good against C4
Ives08 [7k?\]: d15 i think*
Chachi [9k\]: c12 is good move if black has 4-4 point?
Chalx [4k\]: after the sequence
]
(;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[wrong [?\]: c4 can be at d4
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[offtosea [16k\]: hard hearted
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]C[wrong [?\]: I think mingjiu could make a fortune by selling his video lessons
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[murky: for W
ArCosH [5k\]: no
beginner [13k\]: no
Ruutana [10k\]: No
murky: no
au2 [3k\]: helps b
zee [11k\]: c9 is not joseki
Scribe [-\]: for c4 at d4 see Whole Board Thinking in Joseki Volume !
Kerrick [16k\]: c4 makes enclosing easy
Scribe [-\]: 1
Phil73 [19k\]: crawling
jantiff [5k?\]: C9 is slow
ArCosH [5k\]: otherwise it would be joseki 
Kerrick [16k\]: stabilise
zee [11k\]: B gets nice shape
]
(;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[icewater [9k?\]: okay
]
(;B[eo]CR[eo]C[zee [11k\]: but now is hard for B to continue
]
(;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[dg]CR[dg]LB[df:C][ff:B][fh:A]C[jantiff [5k?\]: yes
jantiff [5k?\]: F14 is greedy
puzi [8k\]: c17?
rarr [5k?\]: A
Xikkuh [19k\]: B
jantiff [5k?\]: b should connect solidly at A, since the corner is still open
goglu [-\]: A
zee [11k\]: W will attack the top weak group
wrong [?\]: W says: "I let you save some stones, and then chase them all around the board"
zee [11k\]: f12 not as good
]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[df]CR[df]TR[di][dj][dk][dl][dm][eo]C[wrong [?\]: coz he always reacts as if he dicovered something new
Ruutana [10k\]: What game is this?
ArCosH [5k\]: you
zee [11k\]: Is this joseki?
seidelin [9k\]: you do
XperiMenT [8k\]: i've seem it similar somewhere....
rarr [5k?\]: b wall too big?
goglu [-\]: seems good for black
zee [11k\]: Two 4d ama players
zee [11k\]: b f14 is wrong
beginner [13k\]: hehe
zee [11k\]: should fix at f11 and later can get the corner
Chachi [9k\]: yes
zee [11k\]: e14 stone not important
beginner [13k\]: yes
icewater [9k?\]: cant black play f12 now?
]
;B[]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[gh]CR[gh]
;B[hf]TR[ef][ff][hf][fg][eh][di][ei][dj][dk][dl][dm]
;W[ih]CR[ih]C[jantiff [5k?\]: lol
])
(;B[fi]CR[fi]C[zee [11k\]: Where should B fix his cutting points
Kerrick [16k\]: A
frst [1k?\]: b17
]
;W[df]CR[df]TR[ef]C[zee [11k\]: B should f11
wingnut [-\]: W attacks top B group not the B wall below
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[db]CR[db]C[zee [11k\]: now he can go into the corner
puzi [8k\]: i always die
agui [8k\]: looks like
Chachi [9k\]: die for me
kyrilin [14k\]: yes :)
Ruutana [10k\]: I never even try...
animegirl [12k\]: w B17
jantiff [5k?\]: from the kosumi, life is very easy
frst [1k?\]: b17
zee [11k\]: How can W kill B?
Chachi [9k\]: cant
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[ca]CR[ca]C[Ives08 [7k?\]: i died too =(
jantiff [5k?\]: alive
agui [8k\]: no
]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[ab]CR[ab])
(;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Phil73 [19k\]: b18 ?
agui [8k\]: w B17 looks more difficult to me
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ec]CR[ec])
(;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ec]CR[ec])
(;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Kerrick [16k\]: b17
agui [8k\]: B17
beginner [13k\]: b18?
ArCosH [5k\]: b18
]
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[Xikkuh [19k\]: b16
])
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[frst [1k?\]: b16
kyrilin [14k\]: b18
Ives08 [7k?\]: b18?
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]C[wingnut [-\]: B16 
]
;B[bb]CR[bb]C[cartoon [14k\]: tapsi
]
(;W[bd]CR[bd]C[agui [8k\]: :)
]
;B[ca]CR[ca])
(;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ba]CR[ba]))))
(;B[fh]CR[fh]C[wrong [?\]: yes, but F14 is like a pass move
ArCosH [5k\]: we will ask same questions again next time
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]))
(;W[cq]CR[cq])
(;W[eq]CR[eq]))
(;B[dn]CR[dn]C[zee [11k\]: this exchange is good for B
]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[zee [11k\]: B should d4
]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[bn]CR[bn]C[wrong [?\]: B says "got you"
]
;B[an]CR[an]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[Kerrick [16k\]: shouldn't w aim for lower side first?
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[zee [11k\]: This is very heavy for W
seilen: ouch
]))
(;B[en]CR[en]C[zee [11k\]: B should d6
]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[ep]CR[ep]))
(;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[zee [11k\]: this is joseki
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]LB[dp:A]C[puzi [8k\]: b
zee [11k\]: joseki
icewater [9k?\]: black
zee [11k\]: who is better?
agui [8k\]: B
Ruutana [10k\]: Black.
nannygoat [16k\]: b
suducodu [?\]: black
yfh2 [11k?\]: could you explain C7 ?
puzi [8k\]: why c7?
parsan [16k\]: D5 here i guess
parsan [16k\]: what he meant
]))
(;W[dh]CR[dh])))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Ives08 [7k?\]: ic
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[wrong [?\]: i think Sakat would prefer W ^_^
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[em]CR[em]C[wrong [?\]: Sakata*
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]LB[cp:A][ep:B]TR[dp]C[yfh2 [11k?\]: C7 needed ?
zee [11k\]: this is even
murky: coz D4 stone
murky: it's hard for B to fix D4
zee [11k\]: here hard if W c4
]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[dn]CR[dn])
(;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[Chachi [9k\]: r5
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[puzi [8k\]: 7 is fine...
]
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[ohmygosh [7k\]: professional misake:)
agui [8k\]: seems natural
wingnut [-\]: slow
]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[wrong [?\]: it's too cnoservative
]
(;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[agui [8k\]: helps black
]
(;W[ic]CR[ic]C[wrong [?\]: meant on c8
]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[wrong [?\]: professional mistakes are profound
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[seilen: (yfh2) guess you'll have to ask someone else ;)
]
;W[do]CR[do]
(;B[ep]CR[ep]
(;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[murky: they are called preference
]
;W[br]CR[br]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[co]CR[co]C[yfh2 [11k?\]: :-(
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[kq]LB[db:21][cc:22][fc:19][hc:23][ic:24][mc:26][oc:5][dd:4][hd:25][jd:20][qd:1][cg:16][qg:13][ci:15][oi:14][qi:12][cl:17][pm:10][cn:18][qn:8][co:38][do:32][po:6][qo:7][bp:37][cp:30][dp:29][ep:33][qp:9][bq:34][cq:31][dq:2][fq:27][hq:28][kq:40][nq:11][pq:3][br:36][cr:35][dr:39]C[wrong [?\]: a pro mistake can be a very strong move for an amateur
seilen: one person can't explain everything or it'll take forever ;)
icewater [9k?\]: a4?
puzi [8k\]: b seems to be overconcentrated in top left
Hu [12k\]: R6 is joseki, Phil73
wrong [?\]: low left corner
hansb [4k?\]: white C17
wrong [?\]: but I don't see the numbers on stones
hansb [4k?\]: white
agui [8k\]: don't know
Ives08 [7k?\]: no commets... 
ohmygosh [7k\]: o3?
Ives08 [7k?\]: comments*
wrong [?\]: W got a small corner
jantiff [5k?\]: isn't 31 overplay ?
snowmen [2d\]: 21 and 28 bad
rarr [5k?\]: 22 a mistake?
hansb [4k?\]: 22
Chachi [9k\]: 7
Ives08 [7k?\]: 7 is wrong direction should pincer?
pasikoniki [3k?\]: 32?
jantiff [5k?\]: 32 seems vulgar
murky: 27 for B
Tercel [16k?\]: 37 mistake?
seidelin [9k\]: d18
ishiigo [?\]: w 24
Hu [12k\]: 13 made W play where W wanted to play.  15 should be at C10.
ohmygosh [7k\]: 7 or 11 i guess
seidelin [9k\]: D18
])
(;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[er]CR[er]C[murky: W big mistake
murky: B is crushed
]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[br]CR[br]C[wrong [?\]: resign
]))
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[ep]CR[ep]))
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
(;B[dr]CR[dr])
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[er]CR[er]))
(;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[bo]CR[bo])))
(;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[kp]CR[kp]C[wingnut [-\]: W builds moyo
]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[ie]CR[ie]))
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[hansb [4k?\]: P13?
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]TR[oi]C[Kerrick [16k\]: h17
wingnut [-\]: B to thin
parsan [16k\]: how?
]))
(;B[co]CR[co]C[beginner [13k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
XperiMenT [8k\]: cant B be attacked?
agui [8k\]: can white plunge in the midle ?
wingnut [-\]: homework?
Kerrick [16k\]: can white pincer?
]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]))
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[wrong [?\]: homework 0_0
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[seilen: lol
wingnut [-\]: some future lesson maybe :)
]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Phil73 [19k\]: how many ways...
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Tercel [16k?\]: 3
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
murky: Thank you gomaster
parsan [16k\]: thank you
seilen: thanks
au2 [3k\]: thanks for the lecture
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much
kirschi [16k\]: thanks
Ruutana [10k\]: Thank you!
Phil73 [19k\]: xiexie
]))