(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-07-31]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Hu [12k\]: Hello and thank you.
Tarkam [?\]: hello
Kerrick [16k\]: Hello!
Tartarichi [11k?\]: yes
beginner [13k\]: hello
Scribe [-\]: Yes we can hear you
Tartarichi [11k?\]: hello
Kerrick [16k\]: some whitenoise
fab [1k\]: horrible ;)
ohmygosh [6k\]: nice to hear you again
Hu [12k\]: We hear you.  Sound is a bit loud and thus distorted.
Kamiah [?\]: not good
Hu [12k\]: About the same.
Tarkam [?\]: bad :(
ligo [?\]: loud and some distort
ohmygosh [6k\]: it ok lets go:)
ligo [?\]: but undrestandable
goglu [-\]: sound is ok for me
kjp [7k\]: now it is good
Hu [12k\]: It is good enough.
beginner [13k\]: i like white
Scribe [-\]: New Homework!
Tercel [16k\]: does this jump have other uses?
wrong [2d?\]: the B problems was easy
]
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Scribe [-\]: Amateur 2 dan to 4 or 5 dan
wingnut [-\]: better look at them before we name every move ;-)
au2 [3k\]: good game to look at
MystcN [14k\]: I think e16 was correct since black uses one move extra to defend
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[MystcN [14k\]: corner
]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[ligo [?\]: c6 smaller than r6
]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[DangoMouse [-\]: f15 needs a ladder?
Scribe [-\]: d14 lacks good follow up move
]
(;B[cg]CR[cg]C[wingnut [-\]: low
Scribe [-\]: slack
kjp [7k\]: low
MystcN [14k\]: E15  instead ?
ligo [?\]: i would pincer
Scribe [-\]: no pressure on white
MystcN [14k\]: e15 !!
Kerrick [16k\]: d14 at least
rarr [5k?\]: maybe D14 instead
goglu [-\]: can black pincer here ?
MystcN [14k\]: d14 better maybe yes
agui [8k\]: E17
Scribe [-\]: slack
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: dont like top left w group
MystcN [14k\]: nonono
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
(;B[ed]CR[ed]C[kjp [7k\]: wrong direction
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]C[MystcN [14k\]: E15  instead
])
(;B[eb]CR[eb]TR[fc][jc][fd]C[kjp [7k\]: e17 and e18 makes W stronger
Scribe [-\]: bad exchange, white does not need to play e16
Scribe [-\]: these three stones are fine
kjp [7k\]: some aji
]
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: black fixes all problems with his shape
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: too far
Grimley [7k\]: r4 not r14
kjp [7k\]: no, too far
Scribe [-\]: q2 in place of r4
Scribe [-\]: end joseki with s5
Scribe [-\]: get sente 
kjp [7k\]: hane before running
Scribe [-\]: take b4
pluszowy [13k\]: after 3-3 invasion
au2 [3k\]: Q2 IN PLACE OF R4
DrGoPlayer [-\]: go to point where b actually played r4
Scribe [-\]: q2 for black after white q3
au2 [3k\]: B Q2 IN PLACE OF R4 
scsiduck [16k\]: i think they mean in the 3-3 invasion after the pincer
wingnut [-\]: no that's back...lol
wingnut [-\]: after 3-3
Grimley [7k\]: q2 instead of r4
kirschi [16k\]: move 24
MystcN [14k\]: R17 
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: 2 more moves ahead
]
(;W[lq]CR[lq]C[MystcN [14k\]: c13 wrong move ?
Scribe [-\]: now 3x3
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: find any mistakes that exist in the first 30 moves
DangoMouse [-\]: c13 can't be good
rarr [5k?\]: R4
au2 [3k\]: r4
Xif [10k?\]: R4
MystcN [14k\]: R4 
Scribe [-\]: white must work with the r11 stone
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]TR[qi]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[kjp [7k\]: 11 was not that good, I think
Scribe [-\]: r 4
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]LB[qf:C][cn:A][pr:B]TR[eb][ec][jc][ed][cg][pq]C[goglu [-\]: C13 seems passive but maybe it is ok
DangoMouse [-\]: e15 makes more sense
wingnut [-\]: E18 
au2 [3k\]: w Q3 looks wrong direction
agui [8k\]: D9
DangoMouse [-\]: i think q3 is ok au2
DangoMouse [-\]: because b has q10
ligo [?\]: c6 samller than r6
DrGoPlayer [-\]: o17 not r14 for w
goglu [-\]: Q3 is good direction I think
kjp [7k\]: E17
rarr [5k?\]: E16 seems wrong
Scribe [-\]: black lost sente in lower right due to r4, should have played q2
Kerrick [16k\]: k17 looked a bit far to me
Scribe [-\]: b4 is very big move for white or black
Scribe [-\]: yes
Kerrick [16k\]: no questions
Scribe [-\]: question
rarr [5k?\]: was C6 ok?
Scribe [-\]: should black play q2 in place or r4, end withsente ?
DrGoPlayer [-\]: h18 good for b now?
Scribe [-\]: q2 instaed of r4
Scribe [-\]: end joseki with s5
Scribe [-\]: yes in place of r4
Grimley [7k\]: the question is: should black play q2 instead of r4
Scribe [-\]: need to go back several moves
Scribe [-\]: r4
kjp [7k\]: hane before running
])
(;W[qp]CR[qp]C[wingnut [-\]: wide side
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: much better result for white
]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[Scribe [-\]: white should black at r4
]
;W[mo]CR[mo]C[MystcN [14k\]: ^^
]))
(;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
(;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: also possible
])
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[kjp [7k\]: too easy for B
Scribe [-\]: white r3 is too easy on black
]))
(;W[or]CR[or])
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Scribe [-\]: takes territory immediately with p2
kjp [7k\]: making B stronger
Scribe [-\]: but dont play p3
MystcN [14k\]: P3  touch joseki was used in ancient time when there was no ko ^^
Scribe [-\]: p3 result good for black
wingnut [-\]: bad attachment
])
(;W[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: no
]))
(;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Grimley [7k\]: lol
au2 [3k\]: NO - PLAY TO R4
scsiduck [16k\]: in the bottom right
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu I will send it to you the question in an sgf file
scsiduck [16k\]: don't yell au2
])
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: go to R4 in actual game
Scribe [-\]: Dont worry, will send in SGF file
Scribe [-\]: lets continue
au2 [3k\]: go to r4 in game
Astone [12k\]: can give control and 
Scribe [-\]: thank you
Lapino [11k\]: thx
Astone [12k\]: show problem
]))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[de]CR[de]C[Scribe [-\]: strong
]
;W[dd]CR[dd])))
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[gonophob [8k\]: n 16
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: its okay
Kerrick [16k\]: it strenghtens w
gonophob [8k\]: is it right if the wall is 4 stones tall you can extend 5 space
kjp [7k\]: I have seen c14
]
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[lc]CR[lc]TR[dg][di][dk][cn]C[Scribe [-\]: its joseki
MystcN [14k\]: I like both
agui [8k\]: good for white
Grimley [7k\]: black has weakness at d11
MystcN [14k\]: black has a gap
MystcN [14k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu does not like this shape for black
Scribe [-\]: weakness at d11
Scribe [-\]: not complete shape
])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[MystcN [14k\]: oh
Scribe [-\]: alternate sequence, affects white's wall negatively
kjp [7k\]: is c13 ok
agui [8k\]: wpuld D12 be ok ?
]))
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: also possible
]))
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[Scribe [-\]: common move for territory
kjp [7k\]: very fine
agui [8k\]: yes
au2 [3k\]: can b D14  in reply to F16 ?
wingnut [-\]: cloear
])
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: its a game
Earnest [8k\]: can white then o17 after B D11?  or is that an overplay?
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Kerrick [16k\]: b d12?
]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: still black needs to fix on the left, but better than d14 result
Scribe [-\]: if black fixes at d11, black d9 is inefficient
]
(;W[ci]CR[ci])
(;W[ei]CR[ei]))
(;B[di]CR[di]LB[dk:A]))
(;B[fe]CR[fe])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]C[agui [8k\]: C17
kjp [7k\]: pincer works good with Q16
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu prefers d17 for black
agui [8k\]: c17
MystcN [14k\]: D17  white
DrGoPlayer [-\]: name of book?
MystcN [14k\]: d17
kjp [7k\]: f14
Scribe [-\]: b18 is white tesuji
]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[DangoMouse [-\]: for black to play f15
MystcN [14k\]: c17 okay
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: white can not play c17
MystcN [14k\]: d17 !
MystcN [14k\]: ^^
kjp [7k\]: and F17
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[eb]CR[eb])
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[goglu [-\]: D15 
Keido [14k?\]: c17
DangoMouse [-\]: d14
MystcN [14k\]: okay
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[wingnut [-\]: I think the book is called "mistakes in joseki"
Scribe [-\]: Punishing and Correcting Mistakes in Joseki ?
MystcN [14k\]: D16 
wingnut [-\]: ahh yes
DrGoPlayer [-\]: thx
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[df]CR[df]C[MystcN [14k\]: and pincer H17  ?
Scribe [-\]: or perhaps the follow on book done with Guo JUan
Scribe [-\]: white is not comfortable
])
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[be]CR[be]C[wingnut [-\]: this line is very complicated
])
(;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [-\]: light play by white
]))
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[kjp [7k\]: can B cut
]
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[df]CR[df]
(;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[be]CR[be])
(;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[de]CR[de]))
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
(;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[af]CR[af]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: very very hard for black to kill three white stones in corner
]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[ca]CR[ca]C[Scribe [-\]: because of the ko
Scribe [-\]: very heavy ko for black
])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[Scribe [-\]: black c6 and d9 now misplaced ?
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[Scribe [-\]: same results as before
]))))
(;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[kd]CR[kd]))
(;B[df]CR[df]LB[dh:B][di:A]C[au2 [3k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: it is okay
Scribe [-\]: but black needs to fix on the left side after d14
Scribe [-\]: shape is not complete
MystcN [14k\]: D12 
sertac [10k\]: B
yfh2 [10k\]: neither
wingnut [-\]: both has problems
Scribe [-\]: both d11 and d12 not good for black
Scribe [-\]: too slow
MystcN [14k\]: C12  ?
au2 [3k\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: not hard for white to live
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: New Game
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
(;W[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: Find the bad mvoes
Kerrick [16k\]: i still stumble :-)
]
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[kjp [7k\]: hard
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Kerrick [16k\]: why high approach at this point?
EkinOne [12k\]: nope
sertac [10k\]: no
DrGoPlayer [-\]: blocks chinese opening
ticktock [13k\]: D3 more common
agui [8k\]: no
ticktock [13k\]: for black
MystcN [14k\]: hm
MystcN [14k\]: maybe
yfh2 [10k\]: shoudn't B D3 here ?
goglu [-\]: D3 can get tricky next
]
(;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [-\]: its okay 
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]C[kjp [7k\]: C7 instead of B5?
ticktock [13k\]: K3 is far
]
(;B[dm]CR[dm]C[Scribe [-\]: d7 is better
]
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[EkinOne [12k\]: i like b
wingnut [-\]: correct direction
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[rf]CR[rf]LB[pg:A]
(;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: white q18 is joseki
agui [8k\]: joseki too
wingnut [-\]: joseki also?
Grimley [7k\]: black p18 now?
ligo [?\]: p18
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: black has s12 and q11 after black o3
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: like w
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not need to fix after e18
Grimley [7k\]: is h17 a good move?
Scribe [-\]: h17 is a good move
Grimley [7k\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: and good timing
yfh2 [10k\]: thx grimley !
Scribe [-\]: after c14 black is stronger than white locally
]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]C[yfh2 [10k\]: is H17 honte ?
Scribe [-\]: g16 splits whtie
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[kjp [7k\]: R6 ?
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [-\]: still aji at f16 against black
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[bd]LB[cb:32][db:34][eb:35][pb:26][qb:21][cc:31][dc:30][ec:33][fc:12][hc:27][jc:28][pc:18][qc:17][bd:38][cd:36][dd:5][gd:29][jd:14][pd:2][qd:19][de:37][pe:20][cf:13][pf:22][qf:15][rf:23][oh:24][qh:16][dm:11][qn:25][bo:9][cp:3][fp:4][pp:1][bq:7][cq:6][dq:8][jq:10]C[kjp [7k\]: 25-R6
ligo [?\]: 28 bad
kjp [7k\]: no
MystcN [14k\]: no
Brutha [9k?\]: i like w
Janez [2k\]: 26
Bruinfix [9k?\]: I like White
kjp [7k\]: R6 wrong direction
MystcN [14k\]: I im in live with white
MystcN [14k\]: love
kjp [7k\]: I love W
rem [8k\]: 22
Spartan101 [8k\]: 33 bad?
agui [8k\]: white
ticktock [13k\]: Like B.  White has problem at bottom, too.
Scribe [-\]: not good result for black
])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[Scribe [-\]: just connect, no atari needed fro black
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[kjp [7k\]: closing W in
]
;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Scribe [-\]: black is doing great
Scribe [-\]: both b18 and h18 sente for black
]))
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[df]CR[df]C[Kerrick [16k\]: first one leaves black open on left side?
]
(;W[ek]CR[ek]C[Kerrick [16k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: like the other one
offtosea [16k\]: I change my minde
])
(;W[]
;B[ek]CR[ek])))
(;B[fd]CR[fd]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[yfh2 [10k\]: is it the proper time for H17 ?
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [-\]: same as the joseki
frst [1k?\]: BG8
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[agui [8k\]: the first
rarr [5k?\]: i like this for black
offtosea [16k\]: g16, first
ST0NE [13k\]: i think that this is better for black
])
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[ac]CR[ac]))
(;B[he]CR[he]C[kjp [7k\]: H18?
Grimley [7k\]: can white connect underneath after h18?
Kerrick [16k\]: can w extend from f17?
Grimley [7k\]: eh h15
Grimley [7k\]: sorry
yfh2 [10k\]: question : was B H17 good timing ?
ohmygosh [6k\]: how about b e18?(after k16)
]
(;W[hb]CR[hb]C[Scribe [-\]: white can connect but black gets too strong outside
Scribe [-\]: f15 creates a fighting game
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[Grimley [7k\]: ok:)
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Grimley [7k\]: thnx
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[Scribe [-\]: good for black...h15 in perfect position
yfh2 [10k\]: question : was B H17 good timing ?
])
(;W[cc]CR[cc])
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[Scribe [-\]: white can live in corner with c17 in place of f15
]))
(;B[eb]CR[eb]C[ohmygosh [6k\]: yes
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[Scribe [-\]: e18 not good
ohmygosh [6k\]: :)
]
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not have a good conintuation
])
(;B[gd]CR[gd]C[ohmygosh [6k\]: ok
]
;W[fd]CR[fd])))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]TR[jd]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
Kerrick [16k\]: no
agui [8k\]: yes
ST0NE [13k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: yes
DrGoPlayer [-\]: so q18 or r6 better for w
Scribe [-\]: k16 is too close to white thickness
Scribe [-\]: k16 inefficient
]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: white has stronger shape here than in the q18 joseki but at the cost of extra moves
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: not good shape for white
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: black q18 punishes white
])))
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[rem [8k\]: is w R15 instead of Q14 possible?
])
(;W[]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ql]CR[ql])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: white has two ways: q18 and r6
]))
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]))
(;B[dn]CR[dn]))
(;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[EkinOne [12k\]: tq
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[bp]CR[bp]C[sertac [10k\]:  
]
;W[ar]CR[ar]
;B[bs]CR[bs]
;W[cs]CR[cs]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[do]CR[do]C[kjp [7k\]: dead
]
;B[ap]CR[ap]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[aq]CR[aq]
;W[as]CR[as]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bs]CR[bs]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
sertac [10k\]: is this a joseki? ^^
fab [1k\]: better for white ?
Brutha [9k?\]: good for white ?
kjp [7k\]: W have to belive in influence
MystcN [14k\]: what a weird joseki xD
Astone [12k\]: so is whites influence better?
Scribe [-\]: white H3 seems very big
Kerrick [16k\]: can'T w get influence there at lower cost?
DrGoPlayer [-\]: 10 point corner
Brutha [9k?\]: ^^
Scribe [-\]: or G3
Scribe [-\]: joseki for Dan level players
wingnut [-\]: 10-20 kyu, don't need to learn/study this joseki
Kerrick [16k\]: :-)
Ruutana [10k\]: ^_^
XperiMenT [9k\]: learn to walk before running
]))
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[XuShuyi [23k\]: how about 23k? XD
]))
(;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [-\]: here white at e4 rather than f4
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]LB[ep:A][fp:B]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
wingnut [-\]: E4 
Scribe [-\]: what is the difference between this and the game?
EkinOne [12k\]: cover more terri
ticktock [13k\]: White played too far in game
]))
(;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: HomeWork
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[as]CR[as]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bs]CR[bs]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[wingnut [-\]: Q how many ways can Black attack White
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[ar]CR[ar]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ap]CR[ap]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[os69os [7k\]: only  one way e19
rarr [5k?\]: a18 and e19
Astone [12k\]: Is there more than one correct way to attack in these problems.
agui [8k\]: 4
XperiMenT [9k\]: 2
]
;W[ao]CR[ao]
(;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ab]CR[ab])
(;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[ea]CR[ea])
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ea]CR[ea]C[Scribe [-\]: two ways in upper left: a18 and e19
]
(;W[ca]CR[ca])
(;W[an]CR[an]C[rarr [5k?\]: start with s18?
]
(;B[se]CR[se]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[wingnut [-\]: S18 
]
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[frst [1k?\]: t17
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[wingnut [-\]: hmm
])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[jenijen [14k\]: s17
wingnut [-\]: P19 ?
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[wrong [2d?\]: there's always ko ^_^
wrong [2d?\]: or a phone call ;)
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[wrong [2d?\]: saved by the bell ^_^
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Scribe [-\]: ko
])))
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[wrong [2d?\]: T18
agui [8k\]: q19
]
;B[oa]CR[oa]C[wingnut [-\]: Q19 ?
wrong [2d?\]: for W, sorry
wrong [2d?\]: B's move
Scribe [-\]: p19 black tesuji
Astone [12k\]: nice.
wrong [2d?\]: what level this tesuji is?
Tercel [16k\]: what other uses like this does this jump have?
DrGoPlayer [-\]: thanks
wingnut [-\]: does this tesuji have a name?
offtosea [16k\]: the wingnut
MrTenuki [17k\]: Wild guess: reverse monkey jump?
wingnut [-\]: hehe thx offtosea
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[wingnut [-\]: ahh
]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: P19 - like tesuji works in some other situations too, as I remember
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[Astone [12k\]: )
])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Astone [12k\]: r 19
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Astone [12k\]: oopps
Astone [12k\]: )
])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qa]CR[qa])))))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: problem*
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[XperiMenT [9k\]: hmmm.. idont noe this joseki
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[wrong [2d?\]: B dies
Grimley [7k\]: white q19
XperiMenT [9k\]: B dead
Grimley [7k\]: b dies
wrong [2d?\]: Q19
Kerrick [16k\]: black should play chess :-)
jenijen [14k\]: P18!!
wingnut [-\]: B dead
nutcase [2k\]: yeah
nutcase [2k\]: very dead
XperiMenT [9k\]: Q19
agui [8k\]: dead
nutcase [2k\]: shhhhh
nutcase [2k\]: thot this is homework?
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[wrong [2d?\]: this is a homework tip ^_^
jenijen [14k\]: white's turn?
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Tercel [16k\]: how does black die?
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[rarr [5k?\]: wow
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[os]CR[os]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[ns]CR[ns]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[np]CR[np]C[wrong [2d?\]: B dies in ko, no threats on the board ^_^
nutcase [2k\]: tough question
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[Tercel [16k\]: 4 and 1 with a ko?
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[nutcase [2k\]: ko?
wrong [2d?\]: ok, got it on my board...
]
;B[es]CR[es]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[fs]CR[fs]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[wrong [2d?\]: I think T2 could be the first move
nutcase [2k\]: tip again?
wrong [2d?\]: after that, R2 maybe
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]LB[em:C][on:B][rs:A]C[Kulai [10k\]: q1?
wrong [2d?\]: B1-C3 miai?
wingnut [-\]: that's fine 
beginner [13k\]: ok
wrong [2d?\]: ok, nice probs
wrong [2d?\]: thank You
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
agui [8k\]: ok thank you very much
plonk [21k\]: ok, thx
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR LECTURE
frst [1k?\]: bye
wrong [2d?\]: xie-xie
offtosea [16k\]: thanks mingjui!
Kerrick [16k\]: thank you very much, and thanks to sponsor!
au2 [3k\]: Have a great week
rarr [5k?\]: thanks mingjiu
os69os [7k\]: thank you
offtosea [16k\]: thanks Ing Foundation and scribe!
XuShuyi [23k\]: thanks thanks ^^
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
Kamiah [?\]: thanks!
wingnut [-\]: thank you Mingjiu, Ing Goe Foundation and Scribe
wrong [2d?\]: next week two brothers lesson ^_^
Astone [12k\]: Thank you, Scribe, Ing, wms, K.G.S.. 
rarr [5k?\]: sound is good
au2 [3k\]: OK
Parr [16k\]: yes
offtosea [16k\]: great
ticktock [13k\]: Sound is good.
Astone [12k\]: Excelllent sound a
Kerrick [16k\]: still whitenoise but we can understand
wrong [2d?\]: a bit of noise
ticktock [13k\]: Thanks.
Astone [12k\]: and not too loud on stones .
agui [8k\]: See you
Astone [12k\]: )
beginner [13k\]: bye bye
Tercel [16k\]: bye
Kerrick [16k\]: bye!!
wrong [2d?\]: xiexie mingjiu liaoshi
Keido [14k?\]: bye
Astone [12k\]: ))
offtosea [16k\]: bye!
wrong [2d?\]: thanks to Ing Foundation
wrong [2d?\]: maybe we should have some exams too?
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu laoshi
Astone [12k\]: Some one know about online programs for recording the voice to go with lessons?
]))