(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4800]OT[15/600 Canadian]
PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-08-07]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[gertzu [-\]: hi:)
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: hi
swilks [7k\]: ok
impulse [9k\]: good
Grimley [7k\]: very good compared to just before:)
MystcN [14k\]: yup
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Guojuan Laoshi
braincrash [?\]: sound good
zeroblue42 [16k\]: yes
esuomikim [14k\]: hello : )
Scribe [-\]: we have missed you
esuomikim [14k\]: yes it was a great fun : ))))
gertzu [-\]: and very nice workshops;)
Scribe [-\]: 800 players at the European Go Congress
ohmygosh [5k\]: i saw your foto while teaching:))
wrong [2d?\]: very clear
]
(;AW[pd][bf][cf][ff][qf][cg][bh][dh][di][cj][jp][pp][fq]AB[pb][fc][nc][bd][dd][bg][ch][bi][ci][bj][cl][dp][dq]C[wrong [2d?\]: we also hope You had a nice time teaching Weiqi
Scribe [-\]: Black to play in this position
Kerrick [16k\]: C
puzi [7k\]: c
MystcN [14k\]: hm C
gertzu [-\]: C
hansb [3k?\]: C
wrong [2d?\]: A not too big
RukiaK [-\]: c
fint: b
braincrash [?\]: c
wrong [2d?\]: A out of question for sure
zeroblue42 [16k\]: C
wrong [2d?\]: D not urgent
Batavia [12k?\]: i likeb
wrong [2d?\]: so, lower right is in the focus of next-move play
Scribe [-\]: C is the largest area move
Scribe [-\]: A = h3, B = o3, C = r6, D = r17
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[puzi [7k\]: l17 and d miai
Scribe [-\]: D is miai with L17...too early to play there
]
;W[pj]CR[pj])
(;B[hq]CR[hq]C[puzi [7k\]: gives w strenght
wrong [2d?\]: not big enought at the moment
wrong [2d?\]: and helps K4
braincrash [?\]: w can give up f3
Jinoc [3k\]: lower left already settled
au2 [3k\]: to early
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[Scribe [-\]: A is small area move
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[kn]LB[ff:A][qf:H][dh:B][di:C][kn:D][go:G][ho:F][io:E]C[Kerrick [16k\]: w has all the influence :-S
])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: B is a small area as well, escaping will cause white to build territory
wingnut [-\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: most open area
Kerrick [16k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [14k\]: yes
])
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[pk]CR[pk]))
(;AW[gc][dd][ge][dj][cn][dp][cq]AB[ic][ld][nd][pd][ie][fq][iq][dr]C[Scribe [-\]: while at the go congress guo juan saw many mistakes of invading in the wrong place
wrong [2d?\]: 2d-3d game
Scribe [-\]: focus is on left side....right side did not figure in the situation
Kerrick [16k\]: is it just me or is there loud whitenoise for everybody?
swilks [7k\]: c12
zeroblue42 [16k\]: C13 
Grimley [7k\]: c12
Scribe [-\]: there is white noise
Hu [12k\]: I hear white noise too.
au2 [3k\]: C16
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: i2
babysitter [20k\]: d14
patanjali0 [7k?\]: white noise
Scribe [-\]: this is the time to invade before white solidifies the left side
Jinoc [3k\]: D12
Scribe [-\]: the question is where to invade
puzi [7k\]: b16
Janez [2k\]: b15
puzi [7k\]: h looks like suicide ^^*
wrong [2d?\]: no kyu is that brave^^
Scribe [-\]: c8 area is at most 10points
Scribe [-\]: above d10 is 20 to 30 points
wingnut [-\]: clear
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: yes
Trand25 [26k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: invade the large area, NOT the small area
Kathi [15k\]: yes
MystcN [14k\]: what is perspiration >?
Tercel [17k\]: sweating :D
wrong [2d?\]: hard work
MystcN [14k\]: ^^
MystcN [14k\]: hard work usually count in every thing one wants too succeed in
]
(;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[el]CR[el]C[Scribe [-\]: locally c8 is not a bad invasion
wingnut [-\]: W builds up top
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: globally, c8 is a disaster for black
])
(;B[df]CR[df]C[Scribe [-\]: First determine the area, Second determine the move within the area
wrong [2d?\]: the best way to invade is to kill, but not always possible
Scribe [-\]: invade is kill very hard, invasion start out very weak
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: D14 is floating
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bi]CR[bi]C[Scribe [-\]: no eye shape with D14
]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[fj]CR[fj])
(;B[ch]CR[ch]C[wrong [2d?\]: when invading, be happy with 2 eyes only
]
(;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[eh]CR[eh]C[Scribe [-\]: simple effective way to play
Scribe [-\]: black almost alive
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[bl]CR[bl]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[ej]CR[ej]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[wrong [2d?\]: bad ladders for B
Kerrick [16k\]: sansan then?
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]))
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[wrong [2d?\]: if B could live in sente^^
]
(;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bg]CR[bg])
(;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[fh]CR[fh]TR[ck]C[wingnut [-\]: B escapes in better shape
]))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[puzi [7k\]: when invading live inside, when you cant live inside, run if you can counterattack, if you can do neither sacrifice
]))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]TR[gc][dd][dj]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[wrong [2d?\]: inner and outer
]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[de]CR[de]C[Scribe [-\]: again a simple way
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[eh]CR[eh])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[be]CR[be]C[Scribe [-\]: this hane is very important
Scribe [-\]: not simple
Scribe [-\]: read out the variations from this hane
]
(;W[de]CR[de]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[bd]CR[bd]TR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: balck is alive
])
(;W[bd]CR[bd]C[gertzu [-\]: 5 tsumego everyday;p
wrong [2d?\]: i've made one tsume go of pro-level, will send to our teachers once, maybe next week
Scribe [-\]: study life and death...its is VERY VERY important
wrong [2d?\]: I went wrong, studied electrical engineering :(((
gertzu [-\]: and kill;)
Scribe [-\]: to win the game, you must read very well
puzi [7k\]: "100 tsumego for 1 day of study" xD
wrong [2d?\]: like in real life, not all ideas bring money, but the only those ones that bring money
Scribe [-\]: do 5 life and death problems everyday
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bc]CR[bc])
(;W[cc]CR[cc]C[wrong [2d?\]: one*
wingnut [-\]: students need to do some hard work themselves ;-)
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[wrong [2d?\]: it's a good piece of advice, 'cause most of us do 100 problems in 1 day, and not a single on withing the next month
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf])))
(;B[be]CR[be]LB[cc:A][ch:B]C[MystcN [14k\]: its all about how dedicated u are to the game ^^
Idn [3k?\]:  
au2 [3k\]: C17 or C12
Tercel [17k\]: to reduce white moyo
wrong [2d?\]: only learning to read chinese is more difficult than this - not a miracle why chinese are so good at Weiqi
MystcN [14k\]: corner and live on side
wrong [2d?\]: I thought B16 is joseki?
wingnut [-\]: submarine move 
]
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Scribe [-\]: b15 makes c17 and b12 miai
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Scribe [-\]: alife
]
;B[cd]CR[cd])
(;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[eh]CR[eh])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[Scribe [-\]: very hard for kyu players
])))
(;B[dg]CR[dg]C[wrong [2d?\]: to cite Edison: a genius is 1% of inspiration and 99% of perspiration
Scribe [-\]: flating
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: d13 not good, eyeless
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qk]LB[pd:A][qk:B][pq:C]TR[qe][qf][qg][qh][qi][qj][ql][qm][qn][qo][qp]C[wrong [2d?\]: the idea of low-chinese is to use W's invasion
puzi [7k\]: "build own teritorry and when you see your opponent will be better off invade"
Scribe [-\]: this move (white q5) is two mistakes:  first white can play on the outside (its too early); second: white invaded the smaller area
Lilltiger [9k\]: o17..
wingnut [-\]: R14 
MystcN [14k\]: invade when ure settled
Kerrick [16k\]: r14
puzi [7k\]: 5-6
wrong [2d?\]: one line makes a HUGE difference in Weiqi
Plunder2 [15k\]: so A should actually be Q15 :S
MystcN [14k\]: no
]
(;W[po]CR[po]C[wrong [2d?\]: a reviewed game
wrong [2d?\]: I adore mini-chinese
puzi [7k\]: white pincers himself
Scribe [-\]: wrong place to invade
Plunder2 [15k\]: little points
wrong [2d?\]: low-chinese wants this
MystcN [14k\]: why cant white just protect its own corner ?
Plunder2 [15k\]: 8 points or so
Grimley [7k\]: black r5 is perfect
ligo [?\]: top has bigger gap
Grimley [7k\]: no base, small area
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[au2 [3k\]: this is b's game plan
])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[wrong [2d?\]: if happens
Scribe [-\]: when the opponent is building a larger territory, then you MUST invade
Scribe [-\]: find large area, find move that works to make two eyes
Scribe [-\]: settle quickly
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[MystcN [14k\]: nope
Scribe [-\]: do life and death, learn to read well
wrong [2d?\]: i have on very important
Scribe [-\]: then invasions are easier to make work
wrong [2d?\]: is it ok if we can arrange with Ing foundation...
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
wrong [2d?\]: that these lessons be prepared as a book?
Plunder2 [15k\]: but how will w continue after R14 invasion?
Janez [2k\]: thx
puzi [7k\]: wrong, send that question per email
Plunder2 [15k\]: but don't you give b to much points then?
]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[MystcN [14k\]: white can take corner or side
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: white group is almost settled
Kerrick [16k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yes, clear
DrGoPlayer [-\]: yes
Plunder2 [15k\]: but now R5 looks better ...
MystcN [14k\]: is L17  a good invasion later in the game ?
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[oi]CR[oi]LB[qc:A][qm:B]C[MystcN [14k\]: depends on black
wrong [2d?\]: thank You, and thanks to Ing foundation
Grimley [7k\]: should black now play s14 or somethiing similar?
Plunder2 [15k\]: ok; thanks
wingnut [-\]: nice lecture - thx Guojuan & Ing Goe Foundation
Trand25 [26k?\]: thanks a lot
wrong [2d?\]: xiexie
xDarigaaz [14k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR LECTURE
MystcN [14k\]: thnx alot
gertzu [-\]: THANKS:)
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Guojuan laoshi
Bruinfix [9k?\]: Thank you
hansili [10k\]: thanks a lot
kirschi [16k\]: thanks
Kawasan [5k?\]: thx
winni [16k\]: thank u
au2 [3k\]: have a nice week
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
wholeboard [8k\]: thank you
guest1309: thanks a lot
Plunder2 [15k\]: arregato ;-)
hansb [3k?\]: thank you
Dibbun [13k\]: thanks
smuin [?\]: thank you, bye
au2 [3k\]: bye bye
bluemark [?\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: zaijian Guojuan
MystcN [14k\]: u 2
Out [16k?\]: Thank you
scraper [13k\]: thanks
wingnut [-\]: byeeee
xDarigaaz [14k\]: bye
guest1309: bye.
wrong [2d?\]: zai jian
hansili [10k\]: bye
PointBar [16k\]: thanks
Hu [12k\]: Thank you ^^
parsan [14k\]: bye thx
bluemark [?\]: bye
vdust [14k?\]: thanks
DrGoPlayer [-\]: great
Keido [13k?\]: bye
])
(;B[qh]CR[qh]C[MystcN [14k\]: R17 
MystcN [14k\]: white
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: yes guo juan's lectures would make great book
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [-\]: black r12 is wrong
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[og]CR[og]LB[qk:A]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: black r9 is now misplaced 
]))
(;W[po]CR[po]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[om]CR[om]
(;B[mk]CR[mk]C[Scribe [-\]: still not good for white to invade the small area
Scribe [-\]: the top black moyo is huge!
])
(;B[pf]CR[pf])
(;B[qe]CR[qe]))
(;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[kn]CR[kn]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[jl]CR[jl]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[MystcN [14k\]: before ^^
puzi [7k\]: >lol<
]))
(;W[qf]CR[qf])))