(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-08-07]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Batavia [12k?\]: welcome back
Hu [12k\]: Hello MingJiu.
Tarkam [?\]: hi Mingjiu
Ruutana [9k\]: Hello.
Batavia [12k?\]: yes
Out [16k?\]: Yes
Batavia [12k?\]: we hear you
xDarigaaz [14k\]: hi
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: ok
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: hi
Sjoerd [14k\]: =)
kkqq [?\]: yes
Hu [12k\]: Yes, can hear, not the best but clear enough.
zeroblue42 [16k\]: Your English is fine, the go it hard :)
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[de]CR[de]C[Scribe [-\]: normally white has two ways
Scribe [-\]: descend at c18 or descend at b14
wrong [2d?\]: most of us know only joseki :(((((
]
(;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[db]CR[db])
(;W[bf]CR[bf]
(;B[df]CR[df])
(;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[wrong [2d?\]: a18 instead of b17
]
(;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Scribe [-\]: black hane at c18 not sente
]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: white can get out on side
])
(;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[be]CR[be]LB[df:A][cg:B]
;B[bc]CR[bc]LB[df:A]C[wrong [2d?\]: a18 is seki?
]
(;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[ae]CR[ae]LB[df:A]C[Scribe [-\]: with two white liberties, black can not kill or make a ko
])
(;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[ab]CR[ab]))))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
(;B[df]CR[df]
(;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[wrong [2d?\]: no one, it is not joseki ^_^
]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[Scribe [-\]: still hard for white to hane out at d13
Scribe [-\]: black gets many sente moves
Scribe [-\]: the corner is too small
])
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
(;B[dg]CR[dg])
(;B[dh]CR[dh]C[Batavia [12k?\]: D12
]
;W[dg]CR[dg]C[wingnut [-\]: Blocking at D13 is better than D12 
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[eh]CR[eh])))
(;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Brutha [9k?\]: d14
ave [-\]: E14 
Batavia [12k?\]: D14
wrong [2d?\]: e14 would be my move
]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[ei]CR[ei]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[wrong [2d?\]: except when killing something
Scribe [-\]: now blakc can jump
]
(;W[di]CR[di]C[Scribe [-\]: do not play all sente moves
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
(;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[bk]CR[bk]C[Scribe [-\]: liberty at c13 makes difference
])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[df]CR[df]C[Scribe [-\]: c13 is very bad move
]))
(;W[gh]CR[gh]C[Scribe [-\]: very very good for black
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]C[wingnut [-\]: got it :)
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[Scribe [-\]: hane is sente for black at c18
Scribe [-\]: black can kill
Tercel [17k\]: how?
]
(;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[Tercel [17k\]: ok
Tercel [17k\]: thanks
])
(;W[ba]CR[ba]C[Tercel [17k\]: yes
]
;B[ad]CR[ad])))
(;B[df]CR[df]C[Scribe [-\]: F13
wrong [2d?\]: d14 bad
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[wrong [2d?\]: lose liberties
hansb [3k?\]: no
ave [-\]: no
MystcN [14k\]: no
wingnut [-\]: like W
]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[ei]CR[ei]C[MystcN [14k\]: no
]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[dj]CR[dj])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]C[ricecooker [?\]: how come it is sente when black needs E14?
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: some sente moves are better not played
wrong [2d?\]: never take your own liberty without a need
Kerrick [16k\]: clear
]
;W[db]CR[db]C[wrong [2d?\]: crawling on the 2nd line is never good
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ei]CR[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: black jump is bad for black
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[MystcN [14k\]: I think so
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[MystcN [14k\]: huh
ave [-\]: that hurts
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Batavia [12k?\]: but if blackblocks D13 instead of D12, can't white cut at D13?
MystcN [14k\]: uh oh
]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[cl]CR[cl]))))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dm]CR[dm]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
swilks [7k\]: i though k3 was joseki?
]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[do]CR[do]C[SinCity [1d\]: b4
Scribe [-\]: d5 means that white must play at g4 !
Kerrick [16k\]: swilks: only if c4 is not played
wrong [2d?\]: j3 greedy
]
(;W[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki is g4 not j3
]
(;B[ci]CR[ci]C[wingnut [-\]: nah
DrGoPlayer [-\]: d7
Batavia [12k?\]: probally not
Batavia [12k?\]: D7 should be D8
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[MystcN [14k\]: yup
wrong [2d?\]: a Go saying: never allow the opponent to get out with unreasonable extensions
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[wrong [2d?\]: W doesn't know if he wants the corner or the side, so play for both ^_^
MystcN [14k\]: white got 2 options
]
;W[qq]CR[qq])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Brutha [9k?\]: how about o3? for black
wingnut [-\]: to wide?
Scribe [-\]: p3 is correct approach by white, not o3
]
(;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: q3 good enough for black
ave [-\]: weak group
wrong [2d?\]: and G3 is a reserve option
Grimley [7k\]: lol
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]LB[po:D][op:C][rq:A][qr:B]C[hansb [3k?\]: A
Scribe [-\]: which of these four ataris is the correct one ?
MystcN [14k\]: A
Grimley [7k\]: a then d?
MisterT [13k?\]: how about Q2 ?
ronin1 [7k?\]: B
Brutha [9k?\]: why not q2?
MisterT [13k?\]: Q2 comes to mind
MisterT [13k?\]: "crosscut? extend!"
]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[no]CR[no]C[Grimley [7k\]: good for white
ave [-\]: i like black 
XperiMenT [8k\]: ponnuki seems to have no effect
wrong [2d?\]: promising for W, if doesn't make some mistakes...
NeoNight [7k\]: good for black ^^
wrong [2d?\]: B has some safe points though
])
(;B[qr]CR[qr]TR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]
(;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[po]CR[po]C[wrong [2d?\]: P4 is a misclick ;)
]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[no]CR[no])
(;B[om]CR[om])
(;B[no]CR[no]))
(;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[MisterT [13k?\]: not too much
swilks [7k\]: no
Grimley [7k\]: no because of r7
wrong [2d?\]: R7 is useless
MisterT [13k?\]: but it's better than the previous one
MystcN [14k\]: white got R9 
Scribe [-\]: bad result for black, r7 is wasted stone
]))
(;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Tercel [17k\]: still bad?
NeoNight [7k\]: bad shape ! trans keima 
hansb [3k?\]: S4
wrong [2d?\]: now W is wondering what to do
Grimley [7k\]: s4
swilks [7k\]: ok. sacrifice r2 and 3
]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[sp]CR[sp]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[wingnut [-\]: White
Scribe [-\]: good result for white
MisterT [13k?\]: black still need S2, so white goes away with sente
ave [-\]: white
wrong [2d?\]: B got sente, but not so much points in the corner
]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[wrong [2d?\]: even worse for B
])
(;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: black must play s2
]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[wrong [2d?\]: oh, has to
]
;B[sr]CR[sr]C[wrong [2d?\]: then ko
]
;W[sn]CR[sn]C[Scribe [-\]: white s2 sente
]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[ss]CR[ss]))
(;B[pr]CR[pr]C[wingnut [-\]: S4 
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
(;B[po]CR[po])
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
wingnut [-\]: yes
])
(;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[po]CR[po])))
(;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: o3 is slow move
wrong [2d?\]: keep the corner and G3 option?
DrGoPlayer [-\]: sente for b?
Grimley [7k\]: should black invade at r12 or so early?
Hu [12k\]: Now B is strong and W is thin everywhere.
])))
(;B[oq]CR[oq]))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
(;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[Scribe [-\]: j3 joseki without play at c4
])
(;B[gq]CR[gq]
(;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[fp]CR[fp])
(;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
(;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[go]CR[go])
(;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[er]CR[er]
(;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[fo]CR[fo])
(;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[bp]CR[bp]))))))
(;W[gp]CR[gp])
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[Scribe [-\]: white j3 mistake, black failed to punish
]))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [-\]: must play r2 first
]
(;W[pr]CR[pr]C[Scribe [-\]: black must not atari at p4 first
]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qs]CR[qs]
;B[nr]CR[nr])
(;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
(;W[qo]CR[qo])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[DnF [6k\]: aaah, nice!  thanks for the explanation
Scribe [-\]: black s2 makes white o6 sente !
ronin1 [7k?\]: clear, thanks ^^
wrong [2d?\]: ah, P2-S4 are the key moves
Lilltiger [9k\]: yes, great explenation =)
wrong [2d?\]: if S2 not played
]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]C[Scribe [-\]: white must play r6
zeroblue42 [16k\]: yes, thanks
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]C[Scribe [-\]: r5 too small
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[ronin1 [7k?\]: ok
])
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[ronin1 [7k?\]: don't understand
zeroblue42 [16k\]: how was black connected?
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[swilks [7k\]: no
]
;B[or]CR[or]
(;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[mr]CR[mr])
(;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[rp]CR[rp]TR[nn]C[swilks [7k\]: yes
Lilltiger [9k\]: ohh
xDarigaaz [14k\]: yes
ronin1 [7k?\]: oh, ok
Lilltiger [9k\]: S4 =)
])))))
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[no]CR[no]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: homework^^
])
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[re]CR[re]
(;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[wrong [2d?\]: mingjiu sounds like having shiatsu massage^^
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[wrong [2d?\]: 4 first moves I mean
MystcN [14k\]: okay ^^
]
(;B[rb]CR[rb]C[wingnut [-\]: cool
esuomikim [14k\]: : )
wrong [2d?\]: great; Thank You a lot
MystcN [14k\]: thnx
wrong [2d?\]: XieXie
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
esuomikim [14k\]: btw maybe it could be a good idea to store those tsumego on some web page ?
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
ricecooker [?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR LECTURE
Ahndraniel [14k?\]: thanks
xDarigaaz [14k\]: thanks
kirschi [16k\]: thanks
gertzu [-\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
guojuan [5p\]: :)
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
esuomikim [14k\]: thank You : )
wrong [2d?\]: thanks to Ing - which's e-mail I don't know:(
swilks [7k\]: thank you
wrong [2d?\]: zai jian
Kawasan [5k?\]: thx
]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: it is ko!
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: t18 sohuld be the one
ave [-\]: T18 R18 Q19 
ave [-\]: 3 without ko
wrong [2d?\]: i think 4
wrong [2d?\]: if t17 works
]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rb]CR[rb])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[rb]CR[rb])
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[wrong [2d?\]: 2 different ways, 4 moves?
]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[wrong [2d?\]: that was homework
wrong [2d?\]: I did it, but better not to say what I found :(
zeroblue42 [16k\]: now
wrong [2d?\]: R19 is a ko I think
]
(;W[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[rb]CR[rb])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[MystcN [14k\]: how about Q19  ?
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ob]CR[ob])))))