(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-08-14]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] ;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Scribe [-\]: Second World Championship game, played this date in Asia, Scribe [-\]: Black is Taiwanese 9p fab [1k\]: not really a world tournament since china doesn't play in, right ? Scribe [-\]: White is Korean 9p plonk [21k\]: o rissei Q [9k\]: ok ^^ ] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[oc]CR[oc]C[au2 [3k\]: Good xDarigaaz [14k\]: yes maruseru [13k?\]: great dhabel [29k?\]: ok wrong [2d?\]: perfect Decaluwe [?\]: yes Pepito [16k?\]: yes Q [9k\]: great, yes AKkun [6k\]: shuusaku? Sora2882 [14k?\]: YEA fab [1k\]: yup, clear ligo [?\]: vgood braincrash [?\]: yess v good Sora2882 [14k?\]: IM GOOD Scribe [-\]: voice is very good Spartan101 [-\]: yes Kenshin15 [18k\]: no problem AKkun [6k\]: good Worthless [6k?\]: Er, ZHonghuan CUp or something? AKkun [6k\]: is that shuusaku opening AKkun [6k\]: ? Sora2882 [14k?\]: lol AKkun [6k\]: ooo muarw [-\]: not c4? murky: Sei=Sai? ] (;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [-\]: style changed due to komi ] (;W[po]CR[po] ;B[pc]CR[pc] (;W[qq]CR[qq]C[squiggle [16k?\]: hmm DrGoPlayer [-\]: close and reopen the game squggle ] (;B[dp]CR[dp] (;W[gc]CR[gc]C[squiggle [16k?\]: darn AKkun [6k\]: squiggle , go to the english room and ask Sora2882 [14k?\]: just watch squig! AKkun [6k\]: can black leave the Q3 stone alone? ] (;B[od]CR[od]C[squiggle [16k?\]: now i look like a fool braincrash [?\]: quiet now squiggle ur starting to flood squiggle [16k?\]: ?? squiggle [16k?\]: sorry Scribe [-\]: censor squiggle [16k?\]: wat does flood mean?? squiggle [16k?\]: ok wingnut [-\]: flood = type to much ;-) Kerrick [16k\]: you are producing many unnecessary lines AKkun [6k\]: pls limit the chat in here Scribe [-\]: black p16 is urgent move, must prevent white from playing there ] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: it seems to me q 3 is not in a good position, but im still learning Sora2882 [14k?\]: so depending on who moves, both r in a good position ] (;W[qr]CR[qr]C[Scribe [-\]: r2 much bigger endgame than s4 ] (;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: after r2, black m3 is poor choice of play, if white s4, then m3 must be played Scribe [-\]: now black can sacrifice the two stones on the bottom right, if necessary swilks [7k\]: yes. clear au2 [3k\]: yes - its clear hansb [3k?\]: it is clear Decaluwe [?\]: yes even i understand Hu [12k\]: Understanding you well, thanks. Sora2882 [14k?\]: i think so xDarigaaz [14k\]: clear olczyk [15k\]: Is it because of the aji of the two stones? NoSide [6k\]: very clear ] ;W[lq]CR[lq]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: Clear, thanks! AKkun [6k\]: yes Sora2882 [14k?\]: yes wrong [2d?\]: clear enough, for those one who follow the lesson wrong [2d?\]: ones* Sora2882 [14k?\]: im following pilpa: mnot Waiting [?\]: Would't black running from make white weak in the corner? Hu [12k\]: Silent now? Scribe [-\]: white m3 kills the two black stones, black got enought compensation in the upper right hansb [3k?\]: no sound? wrong [2d?\]: plus, B is not uncoditionally dead? braincrash [?\]: some kind of lag gertzu [-\]: sound? Sora2882 [14k?\]: i dont have sound either olczyk [15k\]: Lost sound or you are thinking. au2 [3k\]: Sound gone SinCity [1k\]: i have no sound AKkun [6k\]: yeah... Secretmana [27k?\]: My sound... Uvas [-\]: :( sabaki3000 [8k\]: jujo are you still there? AKkun [6k\]: pls wait ^^! Secretmana [27k?\]: Ok. Lotus12 [?\]: AKkun the voice of reason Hu [12k\]: May be a disconnect. Sora2882 [14k?\]: mabye Worthless [6k?\]: m3 kills? Not just attacks? AKkun [6k\]: >.> Sora2882 [14k?\]: that happens to me alot dago [13k\]: maybe he went to the bathroom, or went to mix himself a nice cocktail, like im about to braincrash [?\]: he said it kills murky: no sound olczyk [15k\]: On.ly 131 observeers so not traffic. Sora2882 [14k?\]: same here gootik [13k?\]: LOL Worthless [6k?\]: Odd....I thought black could run wrong [2d?\]: probably jujo has a problem with computer, please be patient AKkun [6k\]: if black run , white get good profits Scribe [-\]: wrong is right xDarigaaz [14k\]: now it will be too small fo b to try save two stones but later i think he can, or it is realy dead? hansb [3k?\]: jujo: no sound wrong [2d?\]: Worthless - it's not good to try to save those stones now AKkun [6k\]: pls dont rush and pls wait ^^! sabaki3000 [8k\]: i think he fall asleep olczyk [15k\]: Borrowing Kerwins computer. braincrash [?\]: dont you need two wrongs? Worthless [6k?\]: I know, but the fact that it kils immediately... AKkun [6k\]: i think what jujo mean is black can sacrifice p3 and q3 Worthless [6k?\]: Oh well. Thanks dago [13k\]: yes Lotus12 [?\]: hmmmmmmmm KosiarZ [?\]: Disconnected. Secretmana [27k?\]: o_o squiggle [16k?\]: he left?? Hu [12k\]: System just noticed the disconnect. AKkun [6k\]: now we wait ^^ AKkun [6k\]: yeah Decaluwe [?\]: ah think he has got to reboot Secretmana [27k?\]: Indeed! squiggle [16k?\]: yup Sora2882 [14k?\]: o, hes probably giving us time to discuss Sora2882 [14k?\]: so lets do that squiggle [16k?\]: then y would he leave?? Hu [12k\]: Now we wait, as AKkun suggests. AKkun [6k\]: =) xDarigaaz [14k\]: c10 for black now :) Sora2882 [14k?\]: ok, some1 tell me wut the pincer is Sora2882 [14k?\]: im confused. Worthless [6k?\]: m5 actually :) xDarigaaz [14k\]: or r7 Sora2882 [14k?\]: ^^ AKkun [6k\]: pincer is just an attack move muarw [-\]: pincer is a forcing move AKkun [6k\]: 2 stone attacking 1 stone Worthless [6k?\]: Oops Worthless [6k?\]: R7, yes... Sora2882 [14k?\]: o i getit Decaluwe [?\]: squiggle do you have sound yet? Sora2882 [14k?\]: like a pair of vice grips AKkun [6k\]: yes KosiarZ [?\]: I wish i had ANY sound on my pc ;s Sora2882 [14k?\]: ok wrong [2d?\]: oh, Scribe... see this olczyk [15k\]: I am stuck on move 16. Sora2882 [14k?\]: i got like 2.1 on mine Decaluwe [?\]: plug a headphone in your computer Sora2882 [14k?\]: speakers Worthless [6k?\]: So am I AKkun [6k\]: hm...minjiu is here gotobigo [7k?\]: Mingjiu... does M3 kills the 2 bl stones in one go? wrong [2d?\]: type "jujo mingjiu" on google, and ur archive appears at 9th place^^ Worthless [6k?\]: Oh Sora2882 [14k?\]: hes disconnected just wait Sjoerd [14k\]: There is a new game open! Worthless [6k?\]: Jujo is back with another game Secretmana [27k?\]: Ah... Sora2882 [14k?\]: continuation in another game Sora2882 [14k?\]: lotus, chekc the loby wingnut [-\]: jujo has opened another game ] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[fq]CR[fq] ;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: Do we just watch? Sora2882 [14k?\]: idk DrGoPlayer [-\]: so far squiggle [16k?\]: i think so ] ;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[lo]CR[lo] ;W[np]CR[np]C[Out [17k?\]: Sound will come after set-up. DrGoPlayer [-\]: patience ] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: ok Secretmana [27k?\]: Ok. ] ;W[fo]CR[fo] ;B[kq]CR[kq] ;W[kr]CR[kr] ;B[lr]CR[lr] ;W[kp]CR[kp] ;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: is this guy a pro? ] ;W[lp]CR[lp] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[ep]CR[ep] ;B[gq]CR[gq] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[mr]CR[mr]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: Yeah... Out [17k?\]: Yes 9p. squiggle [16k?\]: who?? Sora2882 [14k?\]: or an insei? Q [9k\]: can you read? Sora2882 [14k?\]: o, AG XP Out [17k?\]: Jujo is pro. I don't know who played the game. ] ;W[ck]CR[ck]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: yes i can read ] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[gr]CR[gr] ;B[jp]CR[jp] ;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: So, this is a pro... ] ;B[nr]CR[nr]C[Out [17k?\]: lol ] ;W[ce]CR[ce] ;B[en]CR[en] ;W[dj]CR[dj] ;B[eo]CR[eo] ;W[fp]CR[fp] ;B[eh]CR[eh]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: btw, who won the usopen? ] ;W[ei]CR[ei] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[dh]CR[dh]C[Worthless [6k?\]: Jie Li, right? ] ;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[dc]CR[dc]C[squiggle [16k?\]: ?? ] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[dg]CR[dg]C[au2 [3k\]: Jie Li did play the US open Sora2882 [14k?\]: it happened yesterday squig ] ;B[db]CR[db] ;W[eb]CR[eb] ;B[bl]CR[bl]C[squiggle [16k?\]: oh ] ;W[cb]CR[cb] ;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[rn]CR[rn] ;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: final round of the us open (go) tourney ] ;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[da]CR[da] ;B[cd]CR[cd] ;W[ac]CR[ac] ;B[bg]CR[bg] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[af]CR[af] ;W[bh]CR[bh] ;B[bi]CR[bi] ;W[cg]CR[cg] ;B[di]CR[di]C[au2 [3k\]: Li won the Ing and the US Masters squiggle [16k?\]: oh squiggle [16k?\]: how do i watch it ] ;W[fi]CR[fi]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: Woah... squiggle [16k?\]: the next one ] ;B[gh]CR[gh] ;W[gi]CR[gi] ;B[hh]CR[hh] ;W[ij]CR[ij] ;B[ji]CR[ji] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[jj]CR[jj] ;W[il]CR[il] ;B[hj]CR[hj] ;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[pi]CR[pi] ;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[pj]CR[pj] (;W[nh]CR[nh]) (;W[og]CR[og] ;B[nh]CR[nh] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[rh]CR[rh] ;W[oj]CR[oj]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: do u have the client downloaded? Spartan101 [-\]: hello Q [9k\]: hello DrGoPlayer [-\]: hi Spartan101 [-\]: hi fauli [10k\]: ehllo au2 [3k\]: Hello Uvas [-\]: hi murky: Hello maruseru [13k?\]: hello armyweiqi [-\]: hello dhabel [29k?\]: hi sabaki3000 [8k\]: now we can vhaen [15k\]: hi Sora2882 [14k?\]: hi maruseru [13k?\]: yes armyweiqi [-\]: yup au2 [3k\]: Yes dhabel [29k?\]: ye DrGoPlayer [-\]: yes Scribe [-\]: Nihao Uvas [-\]: yes vhaen [15k\]: yes Decaluwe [?\]: hi Fausto [3k\]: hello Sora2882 [14k?\]: yes sabaki3000 [8k\]: hi Hu [12k\]: Sound is clear. muarw [-\]: yes braincrash [?\]: hello volume great Secretmana [27k?\]: Good day! Spartan101 [-\]: yeah Sora2882 [14k?\]: yea Hu [12k\]: Best sound you've had so far! wrong [2d?\]: Ni Hao every1 ])) (;B[lq]CR[lq] ;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: white wants this shape rather than the variation ])) (;W[rp]CR[rp] (;B[lq]CR[lq] ;W[qj]CR[qj]) (;B[qj]CR[qj] ;W[lq]CR[lq] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[fq]CR[fq]))) (;B[cj]CR[cj]C[squiggle [16k?\]: ok sorry Scribe [-\]: this white attacks black ] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Decaluwe [?\]: ah ] ;W[md]CR[md])) (;W[od]CR[od] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[md]CR[md]C[squiggle [16k?\]: my speakers are broken ] ;B[fc]CR[fc] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[mf]CR[mf]C[Scribe [-\]: standard for white to play p16 AKkun [6k\]: get a headphone squiggle [16k?\]: shucks Sora2882 [14k?\]: then read the scribe squig wrong [2d?\]: use headphones ])) (;B[qr]CR[qr] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[or]CR[or] ;W[qk]CR[qk]C[squiggle [16k?\]: i need to get familiar with these terms wingnut [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EssentialGoTerms Lotus12 [?\]: thnx wingnut wingnut [-\]: :) Scribe [-\]: white r9 critical, reduce black influcnce and create white base squiggle [16k?\]: ?? squiggle [16k?\]: wen does the lecture start squiggle [16k?\]: sorry never been in one before Sora2882 [14k?\]: this is the lecture squiggle [16k?\]: ?? Uvas [-\]: lol dago [13k\]: its audio squiggle [16k?\]: really?? braincrash [?\]: turn your sound on dago [13k\]: turn on ur sound squiggle [16k?\]: oh AKkun [6k\]: yes we can wrong [2d?\]: no, his problem Scribe [-\]: we can hear very well wrong [2d?\]: sound is OK Q [9k\]: we can :) Hu [12k\]: Sound is good. Sora2882 [14k?\]: or read the scribe squiggle [16k?\]: haha Kerrick [16k\]: sound is very good today ligo [?\]: works good the sound squiggle [16k?\]: sorry ] ;B[od]CR[od]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: lol ] (;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: whites plan is to get the lower right side Sora2882 [14k?\]: same here ]) (;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Secretmana [27k?\]: Me too... ] ;B[qi]CR[qi] ;W[mp]CR[mp] ;B[nq]CR[nq] ;W[np]CR[np]))) (;W[dp]CR[dp] (;B[pl]CR[pl]) (;B[pm]CR[pm]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: hmm... AKkun [6k\]: can black do a low pincer too? ]))) (;W[of]CR[of] ;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Scribe [-\]: due to komi black must play faster, hence the pincer wrong [2d?\]: and komi changed from 4.5 during 50's to 6.5 today^^ ])) (;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Sora2882 [14k?\]: yea ] ;W[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [-\]: old style fuseki ] ;B[pe]CR[pe]C[AKkun [6k\]: kosumi Scribe [-\]: old japanese style, honinbo shusaku fab [1k\]: http://igo-kisen.hp.infoseek.co.jp/zc.html for info about this tournament wrong [2d?\]: Sai style ^_^ Sora2882 [14k?\]: lol Sora2882 [14k?\]: yea ]))