(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1650]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jujo]PB[jujo]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2005-09-11]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Confuseki [16k?\]: hello
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[murky: Hi, JuJo
Hu [11k\]: Very muffled sound.
Hu [11k\]: Hi
Bodo212 [14k?\]: hello
au2 [3k\]: hello
wrong [2d?\]: ok, lesson starts...
Hannes [13k\]: hi
Confuseki [16k?\]: yes
murky: Hello
kefir: hello teacher :-)
nrgdw [6k\]: HELLO
au2 [3k\]: yes
freeks [18k\]: yeah
JeonJi [5k\]: hi
abc1984 [11k\]: okay
Pepito [15k?\]: yes
karle [12k\]: yes
NoSide [7k?\]: yes
Dakre [2k?\]: yes
fdhgrtrt: lee chong ho black
Bodo212 [14k?\]: yes now
Hu [11k\]: Sound ok now.
VroBanshee [17k?\]: hi ,yes
bartman: yes :) hello
Codexus [13k\]: hello
Meccano [16k\]: Hello Yes I can
wrong [2d?\]: ni hao jujo liaoshi
JeonJi [5k\]: ya
ligo [?\]: hello
Scribe [-\]: Yes we can hear 
Spartan101 [10k\]: yep
JeonJi [5k\]: ni hao
murky: This is cool event
Scribe [-\]: Today's game in China Yi Chango Ho and Chang Hao
Scribe [-\]: played in Hunan province
goglu [-\]: Who is Black ?
Scribe [-\]: 7.5 komi
wrong [2d?\]: chinese rules, komi 7.5
abc1984 [11k\]: OKAY ITS A GOOD GAME BUT MAYBE FALSE GAME
atupuzed: 15
Scribe [-\]: lightning game 15 minutes absolute time
bartman: ?abc1984??
wrong [2d?\]: game played outside
atupuzed: human
House7 [24k\]: i can't hear
murky: We would like to see the video of this game
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Scribe [-\]: regarding the board used see: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TheBiggestGoban
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
(;B[de]CR[de]C[Scribe [-\]: due to big komi black played faster, kakari at d15
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[freeks [18k\]: ah I'm too late :'(
atupuzed: no voice
House7 [24k\]: yeah me too
olczyk [15k\]: INtermittent sound.
BrunnenG [20k?\]: sound is very fine
smudge [12k?\]: we hear you
Hu [11k\]: ok now
DnF [6k\]: sound good
Seoman [11k\]: hear you
Bodo212 [14k?\]: ok
Codexus [13k\]: I can hear you
NoSide [7k?\]: ok now
wrong [2d?\]: yes, we hear
Scribe [-\]: we can hear fine
snip [8k\]: sound is fine
freeks [18k\]: yep
kefir: we hear you
swilks [7k\]: yes
House7 [24k\]: yeah now
nrgdw [6k\]: ok i have sound
kongkaroo [9k\]: ok 
bartman: sound ok
Hu [11k\]: Keep going
olczyk [15k\]: About a five second delay in voice.
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: maybe lag
freeks [18k\]: hear it
Janez [3k\]: yes
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[abc1984 [11k\]: hallo everybody
House7 [24k\]: keep going
Seoman [11k\]: sound works
Hu [11k\]: On with the lesson
VroBanshee [17k?\]: yeah
Bodo212 [14k?\]: I hear good
Confuseki [16k?\]: 5 second lag
Scribe [-\]: please continue Zhujiu laoshi all is good
NoSide [7k?\]: yes, mr jujo
Scribe [-\]: it is still good
Hu [11k\]: Continue with the lesson please.
]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: white attach at r17 very common as well, good shape on top
Scribe [-\]: Chang Hao is Black
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[nrgdw [6k\]: lovely sunday aufternoon.....
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[wrong [2d?\]: chang hao doesn't want to go to E18 first
]
;W[re]CR[re]C[Dakre [2k?\]: no audio?
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: I restarted cgoban, now there is audio
wrong [2d?\]: restart game only if lose sound (EOF error)
wrong [2d?\]: close and open game again
]
(;W[be]CR[be]C[Scribe [-\]: huge white move at b15
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[murky: There was audio earlier
Hannes [13k\]: looks like
kefir: close the game window and re-enter to get sound again
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[Dakre [2k?\]: or i am the only one without? ;)
Hannes [13k\]: :(
Dakre [2k?\]: ah, ok :>
okiol [21k\]: It's broken, like haven't been working for a month
Hu [11k\]: Sound is fine
swilks [7k\]: yes
bartman: yes
snip [8k\]: sound is good
NoSide [7k?\]: voice is fine
freeks [18k\]: but now it was broken
House7 [24k\]: yes
atupuzed: sound ok
Hu [11k\]: Now stop it, please, okiol.
]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[okiol [21k\]: i dammit
wrong [2d?\]: please stop this sound chat... his sound card doesn't work
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[atupuzed: ok
kiyohime [7k\]: okiol: Speak of the sound in tht eIng Goe room which this lecture is in.
okiol [21k\]: Ok, I was just asking, because if sound is important I maybe should leave
okiol [21k\]: bye
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
(;W[co]CR[co]C[larryr [11k\]: are there commnets somewhere?
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[murky: We have Scribe to write down the comments
nrgdw [6k\]: 4 Min left
jujo [9p\]: soon
wrong [2d?\]: I'd like mingjiu liaoshi to show us this game: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album01/258_G.jpg
wrong [2d?\]: on one of the following lessons
murky: W is thin on the left
atupuzed: no sound
wrong [2d?\]: W has thin shape
]
(;W[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: white b15 and c11 getting weaker, shape is thin
atupuzed: sound good
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: b16 urgent move
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[murky: B16 is urgent
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: white must help b15, c11 stones
frst [1k?\]: This poisition good for B
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[olczyk [15k\]: Tengen
]
;W[dg]CR[dg]C[murky: MingJiu Laoshi only shows amature games. :(
abc1984 [11k\]: comments_?????
wrong [2d?\]: it is half-amateur game ^_^
bartman: does anyone have audio?
Wook [-\]: relax...patience
wrong [2d?\]: ama-pro games are very good for studying
R4ul [16k?\]: now i have audio
bartman: same here
murky: I have audio
Scribe [-\]: white gets good shape in top left
murky: Game even to till now
Scribe [-\]: game is pretty even at this time
bigfish [10k?\]: honey
murky: invade right
agui [8k\]: R11
Scribe [-\]: How should Black play now ?
akew [17k\]: j3
seidelin [8k\]: reducing moves
olczyk [15k\]: k3
swilks [7k\]: c3
monchacha [12k\]: blackr12
ligo [?\]: e10
bigfish [10k?\]: b5
Waiting [?\]: e4
freeks [18k\]: k4
frst [1k?\]: e10
seidelin [8k\]: i was close =)
Scribe [-\]: possible line of play for Black q11
]
(;B[rp]CR[rp]C[atupuzed: huge komi
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [-\]: white leading slightly
]
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Hu [11k\]: Not huge.  Standard for Chinese rules.
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[Plunder2 [14k\]: how big is komi? (7.5?)
freeks [18k\]: jep
atupuzed: yes
])
(;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[Plunder2 [14k\]: I thought new ING rules or something
atupuzed: i tis
murky: B has to make good shap 
murky: shape
Scribe [-\]: left top white 8 points
murky: letting W take big point
Scribe [-\]: left bottom white 20-25 points
atupuzed: about 11
Scribe [-\]: right side white ?? points
olczyk [15k\]: Top left?
braincrash [?\]: he said 10 points on right maybe more
Scribe [-\]: Black 20 points on top, top right 10, bottom 13-14, left 2-3 points
frst [1k?\]: W is better?
Scribe [-\]: Black 45 points, White 40+komi
]))
(;B[iq]CR[iq]C[wrong [2d?\]: can B play something and get sente????
]
;W[fo]CR[fo])
(;B[jq]CR[jq]C[NoSide [7k?\]: e4?
]
(;W[fo]CR[fo])
(;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[murky: W right side is thin
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[seidelin [8k\]: p11
]))
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[akew [17k\]: F5
atupuzed: ok
bigfish [10k?\]: t1
])
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
(;W[cp]CR[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: real game
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[olczyk [15k\]: empty triangle
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[Confuseki [16k?\]: How is Q11 different from J12?
]
;B[fr]CR[fr])
(;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[er]CR[er]
(;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[br]CR[br]C[murky: W wants to decend to pressure B.  There will be a big fight 
Scribe [-\]: black will live in the corner, possible
])
(;W[eq]CR[eq]
(;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[dr]CR[dr]C[wrong [2d?\]: fast game, so W had not much time to think
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[gp]CR[gp])
(;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[fr]CR[fr]C[murky: Real game W wants to get the corner
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Scribe [-\]: real game
murky: B wants complication
murky: time too short :(
Hu [11k\]: Thank you for the lesson, jujo.
swilks [7k\]: thank you
Confuseki [16k?\]: Thankyou for your teaching Jujo.
Bodo212 [14k?\]: thanks too
freeks [18k\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
freeks [18k\]: i'd enjoyed it
Out [16k?\]: Thank You\\
atupuzed: ing
goelandmer [18k\]: thanks !
bigfish [10k?\]: thanks
bartman: thanks for the lecture!!
kefir: thank you
atupuzed: thanks
NoSide [7k?\]: thank you mr jujo
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR A NICE GAME REVIEW
atupuzed: byer
Pepito [15k?\]: thank you
sabaki3000 [8k\]: bnye
murky: thanks JuJo
wrong [2d?\]: Xie xie liaoshi, and thanks to ING foundation
Meccano [16k\]: Thank you very much
agui [8k\]: Thank you 
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
capra [9k?\]: thank you 
seidelin [8k\]: bye and thanks
hansili [7k?\]: thank you
freeks [18k\]: thanks
monchacha [12k\]: rthank you
bartman: byebye, thx
Larsen [17k?\]: bye
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Zhujiu
agui [8k\]: See you
Ozymandius [14k\]: thanks. bye
bigfish [10k?\]: bye
Scribe [-\]: Zaijian
wrong [2d?\]: time is always short^^
boesbert [30k?\]: thanks
murky: too short
plonk [21k\]: t, bye jujo
])))))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]C[Hu [11k\]: Stop complaining about soun, atupuzed.
wrong [2d?\]: crawling on the 2nd line
]
(;B[bd]CR[bd])
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Scribe [-\]: why doesnt censor atupuzed work ?
]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[atupuzed: can u not use periods, hu?
]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[ch]CR[ch]C[bartman: @atupuzed: your sound isnt THAT interesting to the rest of us
wrong [2d?\]: complain to ISP
Wook [-\]: scribe he is a guest
]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[di]CR[di])))
(;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[Scribe [-\]: black is happy with this result
wrong [2d?\]: B still goes for territory
frst [1k?\]: Good for W
]))
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[bigfish [10k?\]: Who is white?
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[wrong [2d?\]: F3 not bigger than C6?
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: left side kakari larger that the bottom side kakari
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[df]CR[df]C[murky: internet lag
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[wrong [2d?\]: so, guojuan's "approach from the wider side" doesn't always apply?
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[dg]CR[dg]C[atupuzed: no
Scribe [-\]: f3 results in larger left side for white, very nice shape
murky: GuaJuan also discussed efficiency
Scribe [-\]: therefor black chose c6
]))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[DnF [6k\]: please ask in a chat room then
murky: We hear good
freeks [18k\]: i can here you
wrong [2d?\]: yes, we hear
atupuzed: no sound
freeks [18k\]: yes
House7 [24k\]: go on
au2 [3k\]: yes
okiol [21k\]: The sound doesn't work at this computer at all
agui [8k\]: okiol just close this game and reopen it . ormally this woud work
okiol [21k\]: Is it important to hear the sound?
Zagga [10k\]: yes
Hu [11k\]: Yes.
wrong [2d?\]: mean stop this talk about sound problems
]
(;W[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [-\]: punish white r6, played and not defended
])
(;W[gb]CR[gb]C[freeks [18k\]: now ok
bartman: yes
Hu [11k\]: Please continue with the lesson.
swilks [7k\]: sound is good
Hu [11k\]: Sound is ok
fauli [11k\]: hello hello
freeks [18k\]: yes
okiol [21k\]: Ok
]
(;B[ec]CR[ec])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]C[House7 [24k\]: yes
Pepito [15k?\]: yes
larryr [11k\]: sound is good
kefir: sound is fine
Scribe [-\]: We can hear well
Bodo212 [14k?\]: yes
Ramirez02 [18k\]: yea
Hu [11k\]: Please continue.
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[murky: ten second lag on internet
Idn [4k\]: good sound
okiol [21k\]: Is it important to hear the sound?
seidelin [8k\]: sound is fine for most people
Hu [11k\]: Please ignore the occasional person complaining about sound.
okiol [21k\]: I am not complaining
]))
(;W[bd]CR[bd]C[Hu [11k\]: I wasn't referring to you, okiol.
])))
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[okiol [21k\]: My sound is broken, what is it saying?
]
;B[be]CR[be]C[atupuzed: sound ok
DnF [6k\]: okiol, sound is fine.  quit cgoban and come in again
]))
(;B[qf]CR[qf])
(;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[murky: imitation Go
olczyk [15k\]: Hard for White with komi.
atupuzed: no sound
atupuzed: sound ok
olczyk [15k\]: Should P18 be Q18?
]))
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: black must check ladder first to play this way
])
(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki is out of favor for black due to territory gained by white
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[goglu [-\]: can it still be played even if no ladder ?
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Scribe [-\]: this variation good for black
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[id]CR[id]C[goglu [-\]: G17 I mean
]
;B[jc]CR[jc])
(;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: white cant  attack outside black group strongly, and corner not alive yet
]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Scribe [-\]: this is the ladder
])))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: very common fuseki
]))