(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-09-11]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[snip [8k\]: hello
bartman: hi!
snip [8k\]: yes
z41n3 [18k\]: yes
Plunder2 [14k\]: yes!
swilks [7k\]: yes
Tarkam [?\]: hiù
goglu [-\]: yes
monchacha [12k\]: yes
hinkol [?\]: hallo
SanRenSei [12k?\]: yes!
Danilokun [12k\]: \\o|
ab69f [?\]: yup
zee [11k\]: yes
bartman: yes, perfect
murky: We hear you finally
Tarkam [?\]: yes
Plunder2 [14k\]: whooh oo
SanRenSei [12k?\]: hello
agui [8k\]: Yes Hello
Hu [11k\]: Sound is clear.
Bodo212 [14k?\]: yes -now
Danilokun [12k\]: i can listen u
tibra [8k?\]: yes, hear you
wrong [2d?\]: oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wrong [2d?\]: at last
Hu [11k\]: Good sound.
wrong [2d?\]: and NO NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hu [11k\]: Very clear.
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu Laoshi
monchacha [12k\]: good morning laoshi
akew [17k\]: hello
wrong [2d?\]: now we know that many different variations can lead to the same BAD position ^_^
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: tsumego
Bodo212 [14k?\]: thanks
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cg]CR[cg]LB[cc:D][fd:E][be:C][ef:A][dg:B]C[Scribe [-\]: Joseki error first
wrong [2d?\]: PERFECT sound, no noise ^_^
seidelin [8k\]: konbanwa
atupuzed: yes
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: no
tarragone [11k\]: yes
VoctironiX [20k\]: no
agui [8k\]: yes
goglu [-\]: lots of variations
freeks [18k\]: f15?
wrong [2d?\]: joseki mistake, my speciality ;)
snip [8k\]: I know some of it
Danilokun [12k\]: e 14
wrong [2d?\]: E14
freeks [18k\]: oh
freeks [18k\]: but not f15?
freeks [18k\]: I'm wrong :(
wrong [2d?\]: 'only' 5 possibilities
Danilokun [12k\]: b conect
]
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[freeks [18k\]: ok
Danilokun [12k\]: yeah
Scribe [-\]: f15 mistake
]
;B[ce]CR[ce])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: f15 NOT joseki
BlueKid [6k?\]: nice, very clear sound quality!
agui [8k\]: yes
murky: Yes
Scribe [-\]: c15 is an error
wrong [2d?\]: yes
atupuzed: yea
smudge [12k?\]: C15 mistake
])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[tarragone [11k\]: no
goglu [-\]: no
kefir: no
agui [8k\]: no
atupuzed: no
suha [8k?\]: no
Danilokun [12k\]: no
freeks [18k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: very bad exchange for white
WingZeros [17k\]: C17?
]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
(;W[fe]CR[fe]C[wrong [2d?\]: smart W ^_^
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: c17
Scribe [-\]: try to prevent black connection by playing c14 first
]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[hc]CR[hc]LB[cf:A][dg:B]C[wrong [2d?\]: where's W's territory??????
WingZeros [17k\]: yup
monchacha [12k\]: no
freeks [18k\]: good for white?
VoctironiX [20k\]: yes
au2 [3k\]: no
kefir: this sounds like a trick question :-)
tarragone [11k\]: good for black
Dakre [2k?\]: it was no joseki move so there must be a flaw ;)
braincrash [?\]: no?
olczyk [15k\]: maybe 
monchacha [12k\]: b get too much terrotory
wrong [2d?\]: discovered a new joseki :)
freeks [18k\]: next d9 think
wrong [2d?\]: it made B stronger
murky: not good exchange
olczyk [15k\]: let's see the rest of the board then I will say whether this is good for white.
au2 [3k\]: good for b
braincrash [?\]: bad trade for w
agui [8k\]: thin
kefir: white's influence is not very useful
wrong [2d?\]: W shape is killable
Scribe [-\]: bad shape for white
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: no foot
braincrash [?\]: b is better than connected
Scribe [-\]: white is vulnerable
olczyk [15k\]: What if White has a stoine at c10?
])
(;B[ce]CR[ce]))
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[atupuzed: wow
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: heh
wrong [2d?\]: ha ha
freeks [18k\]: ouch for black
freeks [18k\]: wuaha
DnF [6k\]: interesting =)
wrong [2d?\]: '-' + '-' = '+' was W's logic
bartman: =^.^=
seidelin [8k\]: d16
WingZeros [17k\]: resign
freeks [18k\]: e16?
DnF [6k\]: i wonder about E18 hane
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: joseki.com
sabaki3000 [8k\]: c 16
agui [8k\]: C16
tarragone [11k\]: e18
wrong [2d?\]: d16?
suha [8k?\]: resign better :P
ligo [?\]: f17
atupuzed: c 16
ligo [?\]: f17
karle [12k\]: d16
freeks [18k\]: e16 
Ambivlnce [12k?\]: d16
suha [8k?\]: c17?
snip [8k\]: E18
atupuzed: d 16
wingnut [-\]: E16 
Scribe [-\]: but not best move
]
(;B[eb]CR[eb]C[Scribe [-\]: good for black
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[db]CR[db]LB[cf:A][dg:B]C[freeks [18k\]: not much for black
agui [8k\]: no
atupuzed: no
kefir: 2nd line :-(
])
(;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[snip [8k\]: C16
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
(;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[freeks [18k\]: g17
Xikkuh [15k\]: e14?
freeks [18k\]: ?
Scribe [-\]: hard to enclose two marked stone
seidelin [8k\]: g17
]
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: this punishes white
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[wrong [2d?\]: w A, b B
]
;W[nr]CR[nr]LB[pm:B][qn:A]TR[po][pp]C[Scribe [-\]: bottom right good for white
])
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[wrong [2d?\]: :)
wrong [2d?\]: 3 techniques: 1) escape, 2) counter-attack, 3) defend should be applied in that order?
]
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[freeks [18k\]: because black bad shape
]
(;B[df]CR[df]C[freeks [18k\]: yep
wrong [2d?\]: nice wall
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[ef]CR[ef])
(;B[he]CR[he]))
(;B[ef]CR[ef])))
(;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[gb]CR[gb]))
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: no
freeks [18k\]: no
seidelin [8k\]: yes
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[agui [8k\]: no
atupuzed: yes
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: b dead
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[DnF [6k\]: yes plz
])
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ef]CR[ef]C[freeks [18k\]: hum
]
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ce]CR[ce]C[freeks [18k\]: ah
freeks [18k\]: oO
WingZeros [17k\]: B
wrong [2d?\]: early ko
WingZeros [17k\]: W
])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[monchacha [12k\]: much better
sabaki3000 [8k\]: good for black
braincrash [?\]: w has so much trouble
monchacha [12k\]: fokr b
kefir: b
Xikkuh [15k\]: black
freeks [18k\]: black is fine at the top but left ...
atupuzed: for b
Scribe [-\]: good for Black
]
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[fd]CR[fd])
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[bartman: no#
]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[VoctironiX [20k\]: no
agui [8k\]: no
Danilokun [12k\]: no
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[atupuzed: no
])
(;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[ec][ed][cg][dg]C[Xikkuh [15k\]: yes
Danilokun [12k\]: no
suha [8k?\]: no
tarragone [11k\]: no
freeks [18k\]: no
bartman: good for w.. IF he gets those two stones
sabaki3000 [8k\]: blöack
Xikkuh [15k\]: b
agui [8k\]: for black
tarragone [11k\]: black
Dakre [2k?\]: i think it's ok for white
kefir: w 2 are dead b 2 not yet
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: w bigger
wrong [2d?\]: depends on the sides and other corners
sabaki3000 [8k\]: black e 12
abc1984 [11k\]: I CHOOSE W
agui [8k\]: F14
Danilokun [12k\]: b
wrong [2d?\]: B has sente, but...
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: go W
bartman: ^  ^
agui [8k\]: no
nrgdw [6k\]: ???
suha [8k?\]: no idea
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[seidelin [8k\]: becaurce no other stones is on the board
]
;W[op]CR[op]
(;B[qo]CR[qo]C[sabaki3000 [8k\]: can´t tzhey escape
tarragone [11k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
bartman: yes
])
(;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[or]CR[or]C[freeks [18k\]: ouch
atupuzed: ow
Danilokun [12k\]: o_o
fauli [11k\]: but b has a big corner
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Danilokun [12k\]: bad for w
]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[qn]CR[qn]LB[cf:B][cg:A]C[agui [8k\]: no
tarragone [11k\]: no
atupuzed: no
suha [8k?\]: same
Scribe [-\]: white is better
Danilokun [12k\]: w is better?
tarragone [11k\]: no
atupuzed: no
agui [8k\]: no
])))))))
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[agui [8k\]: D16
Dakre [2k?\]: d16?
Danilokun [12k\]: d 16
suha [8k?\]: d16?
ab69f [?\]: no
agui [8k\]: seems not
tarragone [11k\]: d16
WingZeros [17k\]: E16
au2 [3k\]: E16 ?
Scribe [-\]: how can black punish this error ?
monchacha [12k\]: d16
goglu [-\]: D16 for black is better I think
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: e18
goglu [-\]: try D16
wrong [2d?\]: b E16 doesn't looks so good at the first glance
wrong [2d?\]: look*
atupuzed: ok
bartman: ok
atupuzed: clear
suha [8k?\]: yes
bartman: yes
wrong [2d?\]: clear
agui [8k\]: Yex clear
Bodo212 [14k?\]: thx
freeks [18k\]: kay
WingZeros [17k\]: 2 wrong moves dont make a right move
bartman: nope
freeks [18k\]: hm.. no
]
(;B[ed]CR[ed]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: e18
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[freeks [18k\]: f17
abc1984 [11k\]: C17 ITS OK?
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[freeks [18k\]: oh
freeks [18k\]: D18
au2 [3k\]: c17
atupuzed: d18
freeks [18k\]: ahr
Scribe [-\]: black crashed
freeks [18k\]: sry
suha [8k?\]: if opposite guy is not Pro player every move seems right :P
freeks [18k\]: bad sorry
]
(;B[db]CR[db]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: b resign
freeks [18k\]: no
]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[agui [8k\]: no
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[Dakre [2k?\]: cool, have to try e17 in my next games ;)
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: fight is good for white
]))
(;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: no good?
wrong [2d?\]: C13 is a bone in W's throat
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[WingZeros [17k\]: better for white
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[fg]CR[fg]TR[cg]C[Plunder2 [14k\]: big black wall
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: sad
Plunder2 [14k\]: depends on what is below
Xikkuh [15k\]: good for black
freeks [18k\]: bad for blacks alone one stone
Scribe [-\]: black c13 stone is lost
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: c13 is sad
wingnut [-\]: C13 is very lonley
])
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[df]CR[df]C[wrong [2d?\]: C15 works
Scribe [-\]: simple punishment, just connect
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: heavy
Danilokun [12k\]:  w have to connect ?
Scribe [-\]: white shape is deficient
kefir: w slow
freeks [18k\]: cut
])))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: Game 
]
(;W[po]CR[po]
;B[dd]CR[dd]C[au2 [3k\]: How strong are the players?
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[seidelin [8k\]: anyone know how long mingjiu have played go?
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[wrong [2d?\]: long enough
]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[bartman: i guess he does ^ ^
wrong [2d?\]: since the age of 10 at least
freeks [18k\]: hu
wrong [2d?\]: maybe he started 2 lifes ago, just continued at this one
wrong [2d?\]: lives*
]
(;B[bd]CR[bd])
(;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[goglu [-\]: I read he learned at age 6.
seidelin [8k\]: so i will  catch up in 40 years then
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[seidelin [8k\]: =)
]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[dh]CR[dh]C[freeks [18k\]: why don't ask him :P
]
(;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bd]CR[bd]C[suha [8k?\]: i catch him in graveyard.. cos i am 32 now :(
]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ff]CR[ff])
(;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[fe]CR[fe]C[freeks [18k\]: the age isn't necessary i think
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[gf]CR[gf]))
(;B[qg]CR[qg]C[DrGoPlayer [-\]: all pros are on 3rd reincarnation
bartman: r9
atupuzed: yes
fauli [11k\]: ok
agui [8k\]: ok
Danilokun [12k\]: green
wrong [2d?\]: W says "catch me if u can"
ligo [?\]: w has weak  grp
freeks [18k\]: invade at r17? XD
Kulai [9k\]: Q17?
bartman: p13?
tarragone [11k\]: o16
Dakre [2k?\]: q17?
wrong [2d?\]: q17?
BlueJays [-\]: q10
li92093 [5k\]: Q10
BlueJays [-\]: order of play is important
agui [8k\]: yes thanks
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[seidelin [8k\]: usually they dont remember there past lifes....if the belive in that...
li92093 [5k\]: Q10
tarragone [11k\]: this is better
Xikkuh [15k\]: p17
bartman: p17
snip [8k\]: kick
agui [8k\]: P17
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[freeks [18k\]: or l17?
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[freeks [18k\]: black
tarragone [11k\]: black
goglu [-\]: white gives black a target
agui [8k\]: black
kefir: b
bartman: b
VoctironiX [20k\]: black
goglu [-\]: I like black
freeks [18k\]: huh
kefir: k17
freeks [18k\]: l16
bartman: ^ ^
juve [17k\]: p18
ligo [?\]: b
WingZeros [17k\]: B
Xikkuh [15k\]: b
li92093 [5k\]: b
wrong [2d?\]: b
agui [8k\]: black+ç
akko [18k\]: b
VoctironiX [20k\]: b
seidelin [8k\]: b
Dakre [2k?\]: black ;)
freeks [18k\]: b
])
(;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[freeks [18k\]: ah
freeks [18k\]: see
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[tarragone [11k\]: no
agui [8k\]: no
VoctironiX [20k\]: no
]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Danilokun [12k\]: b
li92093 [5k\]: w
seidelin [8k\]: black
bartman: w
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: b
jagaro [9k\]: b
Dakre [2k?\]: white
tarragone [11k\]: black
wrong [2d?\]: both^^
WingZeros [17k\]: B
Kulai [9k\]: W
agui [8k\]: even
akko [18k\]: w
ligo [?\]: even
BlueJays [-\]: W
ligo [?\]: e
tarragone [11k\]: black
Dakre [2k?\]: w
agui [8k\]: even
seidelin [8k\]: still b
sabaki3000 [8k\]: still black
akko [18k\]: w
]))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[ligo [?\]: o17
])
(;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[kd]CR[kd]C[VoctironiX [20k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: white must invade at L16 first (not o17)
]
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[freeks [18k\]: wuaha
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[wrong [2d?\]: keep safe distance when invading^^
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[freeks [18k\]: huh
Scribe [-\]: good for white
freeks [18k\]: yeah
BlueJays [-\]: yes
])
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[ge]CR[ge]TR[kd]C[goglu [-\]: corner is still open
]
(;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[ie]CR[ie]C[wrong [2d?\]: b16 hole is the key of this variation I guess
freeks [18k\]: no
VoctironiX [20k\]: no
freeks [18k\]: don't think
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[Scribe [-\]: with L16 in place black cant play j`15
agui [8k\]: J18
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[freeks [18k\]: yeah
])
(;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ie]CR[ie]))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Xikkuh [15k\]: lol
ligo [?\]: super lesson
]))))
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Scribe [-\]: proper move for black
agui [8k\]: no
bartman: nope
freeks [18k\]: hm
ligo [?\]: i thought h15 was g for b
]))
(;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[goglu [-\]: risky
atupuzed: no
Scribe [-\]: Can white tenuki this position ?
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
(;B[ac]CR[ac])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]))
(;W[ac]CR[ac]C[snip [8k\]: Q18
atupuzed: yes
Scribe [-\]: White can live easy
akko [18k\]: Q18 
Dakre [2k?\]: q18
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: s17
]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[goglu [-\]: White can get a ko I think
goglu [-\]: if he tenukis
])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[wrong [2d?\]: how about q19 idea here?
]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[Dakre [2k?\]: s14 then?
goglu [-\]: S14 is answered by T15
bartman: t18
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[Dakre [2k?\]: and that's ko when white t15
snip [8k\]: t15
goglu [-\]: T15
freeks [18k\]: t16
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: T18
goglu [-\]: we know T16 is suicide
tarragone [11k\]: s19
]
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[Dakre [2k?\]: t16 dies as we saw... t15 is ko i think
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: W t18
akko [18k\]: T18 first
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[freeks [18k\]: ah yes
freeks [18k\]: ^^"
]
;B[sb]CR[sb])
(;W[se]CR[se]LB[lb:B][mb:A]C[freeks [18k\]: r19
fauli [11k\]: dead
Dakre [2k?\]: black gets ko
freeks [18k\]: also think dead
goglu [-\]: 3 ways to get a ko :-)
Dakre [2k?\]: :>
freeks [18k\]: what if black t17?
li92093 [5k\]: T18
freeks [18k\]: r19, than w, than t17?
messiah [-\]: r19?
bartman: t17?
akko [18k\]: T17 ?
messiah [-\]: s18 xD
freeks [18k\]: r19, s19, t17 <-- does that work? did we had that?
Scribe [-\]: t18 wrong...white lives
atupuzed: ok
]
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[tarragone [11k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
freeks [18k\]: yep
Mario111 [12k\]: yup
bartman: yes
messiah [-\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: r19 best way to ko for black
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[Scribe [-\]: best ko for black
freeks [18k\]: black ko
])
(;B[rb]CR[rb]
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[sd]CR[sd])
(;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sa]CR[sa]))
(;W[pa]CR[pa]LB[lb:B][mb:A]C[freeks [18k\]: s16
freeks [18k\]: ?
freeks [18k\]: no
]))
(;B[sc]CR[sc]C[freeks [18k\]: r19, s19, t17 ?
Larsen [17k?\]: s19
])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[freeks [18k\]: three moves
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [-\]: wihte lived
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]C[freeks [18k\]: yep
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[qa]CR[qa])
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]))))
(;W[rb]CR[rb]C[atupuzed: ok
bartman: ^ ^
freeks [18k\]: yep
messiah [-\]: good
messiah [-\]: :)
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much
li92093 [5k\]: s19
Xikkuh [15k\]: thx
bartman: thanks for the lecture :D
Dakre [2k?\]: thank you
wrong [2d?\]: xiexie MingJiu liashi
wrong [2d?\]: thanks to ING FOUNDATION too
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
hansili [7k?\]: thank you!
wrong [2d?\]: liaoshi*
Larsen [17k?\]: thank you
tarragone [11k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
WingZeros [17k\]: thanks
freeks [18k\]: thanks to all of you
nrgdw [6k\]: questions without end
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: thanks
juve [17k\]: thanks, mingjiu
atupuzed: thanks bye
Jubjub [11k\]: thx
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR NICE LECTURE
nux [18k\]: thank you
nrgdw [6k\]: thx cu
VroBanshee [17k?\]: thank you!
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
freeks [18k\]: you're cool
grain [24k\]: thanks
vince [7k\]: thank you
hqdes666 [19k?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO SCRIBE
WingZeros [17k\]: thanks Scribe
plonk [21k\]: thx, bye ming jiu
juve [17k\]: thx, Scribe
])))))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[freeks [18k\]: tsumgeo now?
]
;B[re]CR[re]C[wrong [2d?\]: he he, homework^^
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[freeks [18k\]: huah
]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: the best
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[wrong [2d?\]: no seki^^
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Dakre [2k?\]: r18
wrong [2d?\]: it's nice tesuji, it's an idea I never forget, just like guojuan doesn't forget Huei's move
Dakre [2k?\]: yes ;)
atupuzed: yes
goglu [-\]: Black kills
Dakre [2k?\]: black kills
li92093 [5k\]: R18
Dakre [2k?\]: no ko
goglu [-\]: no ko
wrong [2d?\]: no, pure kill
Dakre [2k?\]: no ;)
]
;W[ac]CR[ac]C[Scribe [-\]: white q stones die first
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [2d?\]: r18?
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: r18
goglu [-\]: R19 next
Dakre [2k?\]: r19
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[wrong [2d?\]: t18
goglu [-\]: T18 is tesuji
Dakre [2k?\]: t18
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[ElAlmaZen [14k\]: p19
])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[goglu [-\]: T18
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[Dakre [2k?\]: t18 again
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[goglu [-\]: T15
Dakre [2k?\]: t15
ElAlmaZen [14k\]: q16
Dakre [2k?\]: no ko :>
Dakre [2k?\]: t15
freeks [18k\]: ko
bartman: no seki, w cant approach, b can from the outside (@ freeks)
]
;B[se]CR[se]C[goglu [-\]: T18 is a nice Tesuji
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]C[Dakre [2k?\]: q15
goglu [-\]: Q15
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[freeks [18k\]: jepp
freeks [18k\]: seki?
goglu [-\]: No seki
freeks [18k\]: oh kay
wrong [2d?\]: what seki
freeks [18k\]: hum...
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[freeks [18k\]: huh
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[sd]CR[sd]C[wrong [2d?\]: new homework?
goglu [-\]: yes
Kulai [9k\]: pig head
tarragone [11k\]: no
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]C[Dakre [2k?\]: J-group :>
li92093 [5k\]: s18
akko [18k\]: R19 
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[sb]CR[sb]))