(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-09-18]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[glint [-\]: hi
cdub [15k?\]: hi
Hu [11k\]: Hi
akko [18k\]: hello
agui [8k\]: Hello
Hu [11k\]: sound is good.
fauli [11k\]: sound now is fine
agui [8k\]: yes
WingZeros [17k\]: yes
ticktock [16k\]: hi
petro [?\]: crisp and clear
glint [-\]: yep, can hear you
cdub [15k?\]: yes....sound is good
bigfish [10k\]: yes
PersonCube [26k\]: Aww.  ^_^;;
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[murky: Hello
Kevintju [-\]: hello
Dakre [1k?\]: very nice ;)
]
(;W[dd]CR[dd]C[WingZeros [17k\]: the funny one
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[isshoni [13k\]: perfect sound
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[murky: The same one
Kerrick [16k?\]: wow great sound today :-)
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Hu [11k\]: Yes!
]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Kevintju [-\]: good sound
Scribe [-\]: pincer was not good idea for black
kkv [11k\]: big
Kerrick [16k?\]: big
bonobo03 [9k\]: big
parsan [12k\]: pretty big
sicbanana [14k\]: extensions from enclosures are always bigger?
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[sicbanana [14k\]: :)
bigfish [10k\]: too close
agui [8k\]: big mistake
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[gogoofy: white comes out
bigfish [10k\]: r14
gogoofy: big
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[Kerrick [16k?\]: hehe :-)
olczyk [15k\]: medium
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[puzi [7k\]: totally wrong direction
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[murky: no\\
glint [-\]: no
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[sicbanana [14k\]: m17 too close i guess
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]TR[qo]C[Kerrick [16k?\]: the game is always good 
Necron [25k?\]: heyo
WingZeros [17k\]: black has a better position?
sicbanana [14k\]: its ok
murky: I would block on R18
glint [-\]: B pincer wrong
parsan [12k\]: i'd block from the other side
olczyk [15k\]: overconcentrated.
Kerrick [16k?\]: black needs another move?
swilks [7k\]: so black should not pinch?
sicbanana [14k\]: :)
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]LB[fc:A][cf:B][qm:C][nq:D]C[Scribe [-\]: neither joseki that follows the pincer is good for black
kkv [11k\]: c14 ?
bigfish [10k\]: 33
petro [?\]: O3
puzi [7k\]: o3?
agui [8k\]: G17
au2 [3k\]: C13 ?
Kevintju [-\]: c
kkv [11k\]: b
weizenbier [11k\]: b
goglu [-\]: B
puzi [7k\]: d
rusakko [6k\]: D
ratata [2k\]: D
petro [?\]: D
VgoV [16k\]: d
isshoni [13k\]: d
Grimley [6k\]: b
kyrilin [14k\]: A
sohvan [-\]: D
bigfish [10k\]: b
fint: D
agui [8k\]: D
sestir [3k\]: A =)
gogy [5k?\]: c
sicbanana [14k\]: c
Mario111 [12k\]: A
braincrash [?\]: d
parsan [12k\]: C
bigfish [10k\]: d
jager [27k?\]: b
Skali [17k\]: b
Necron [25k?\]: d
WingZeros [17k\]: B
janibi [11k\]: A
sicbanana [14k\]: crap
plonk [20k\]: a
petro [?\]: so black will play C17
Scribe [-\]: f17 and c14 are miai for white, no need to play it out at this time
olczyk [15k\]: Opps meant C17
olczyk [15k\]: Too soon for P5?
rusakko [6k\]: D
Necron [25k?\]: i like black
]
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[bd]CR[bd])
(;W[cf]CR[cf]C[swilks [7k\]: isn't m3 invasion a problem
Necron [25k?\]: ys please
Scribe [-\]: white should have played at o3 in place of c14
VgoV [16k\]: ahh
playgo [6k\]: M3 
braincrash [?\]: m3
rusakko [6k\]: M3
tuesday: m3
petro [?\]: M3
Necron [25k?\]: m3
agui [8k\]: M3
Necron [25k?\]: x_x
murky: too flat
kkv [11k\]: no after w plays o3 what if b m3 ??
swilks [7k\]: no - after white o3
]
(;B[db]CR[db]C[Scribe [-\]: hard to determine if f17 or c14 is bigger
WingZeros [17k\]: oh
])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]C[isshoni [13k\]: ok ok
Grimley [6k\]: invasion
au2 [3k\]: if w c14 was at C13 would b C17 ?
Grimley [6k\]: after white o3
tarragone [11k\]: first white o3 then black m3
Hu [11k\]: B M3 after W O3
petro [?\]: interesting question
Grimley [6k\]: white o3, then black m3
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[sicbanana [14k\]: ah, thats natural?´
Hu [11k\]: How does this go?
swilks [7k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: wrong order
Grimley [6k\]: no other way around
])
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[parsan [12k\]: but..
braincrash [?\]: terrible
gogy [5k?\]: no
swilks [7k\]: too small
goglu [-\]: overconcentrated 
petro [?\]: overconcentrated
ticktock [16k\]: no
glint [-\]: low
isshoni [13k\]: it was miai wasn t it...
sicbanana [14k\]: flat?
Scribe [-\]: f17 bad induces white to play d18 which would be a perfect formation
kkv [11k\]: d18
ratata [2k\]: o3
puzi [7k\]: o3 :D
Scribe [-\]: balck should have played m3
]
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[agui [8k\]: o3
binky [18k\]: d18
Grimley [6k\]: what if black m3 now?
sicbanana [14k\]: what about invasion?
kkv [11k\]: m3 for b ?
Grimley [6k\]: black m3 now
tarragone [11k\]: what if black m3?
puzi [7k\]: white response to m3
sicbanana [14k\]: yep, m3?
swilks [7k\]: yes - how to handle the invasion
isshoni [13k\]: if b me, then w k5?
])
(;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: white o3 still important
])
(;W[ci]CR[ci]C[tarragone [11k\]: not urgent
agui [8k\]: not big
puzi [7k\]: d18 and c11 miai
Grimley [6k\]: bad
Scribe [-\]: c11 tries to squeeze strong group..not good
agui [8k\]: slow
fauli [11k\]: why is o3 bigger?
Grimley [6k\]: what if black plays m3 after o3?
tarragone [11k\]: m3
Lilltiger [8k\]: m3
swilks [7k\]: is 03 extension too far?
puzi [7k\]: m3
WingZeros [17k\]: attack the weakest group
agui [8k\]: M3
kkv [11k\]: m3 still
glint [-\]: usually, yes
sicbanana [14k\]: k
kyrilin [14k\]: o3
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Scribe [-\]: m3 still biggest move for black
])))
(;W[]TR[fc][gc][hc]C[wrong [2d?\]: maybe play elsewhere????
olczyk [15k\]: What about B17 after white extension?
Necron [25k?\]: overall, black has the outline of territory in the center.
swilks [7k\]: thend
parsan [12k\]: D was right then...
]
(;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[cf]CR[cf]TR[gc][hc])
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[fc]CR[fc]TR[cg][ch][ci][cj]))
(;W[qm]CR[qm])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[agui [8k\]: D
tarragone [11k\]: D
akko [18k\]: D
sicbanana [14k\]: df
sicbanana [14k\]: d
playgo [6k\]: O3 
ticktock [16k\]: do
sicbanana [14k\]: nope got it :)
Kevintju [-\]: please do
VgoV [16k\]: please ^^
Hu [11k\]: No, invasion.
sicbanana [14k\]: yep
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[kkv [11k\]: ya
kkv [11k\]: this one
Kevintju [-\]: yes
mezion [20k?\]: yes
isshoni [13k\]: let s treat both situations then
sicbanana [14k\]: oh :)
tarragone [11k\]: okay
glint [-\]: cool
WingZeros [17k\]: hahah
petro [?\]: next week is fine
murky: homework
Necron [25k?\]: double pincer^^
Kevintju [-\]: hahah
Grimley [6k\]: hehe ok tell us next week
sicbanana [14k\]: thats the one i always miss ;)
agui [8k\]: ok fine
]))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[puzi [7k\]: overconcentrated and still aji
]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Zaferi [8k?\]: speak chinese
]
(;B[me]CR[me]C[kkv [11k\]: extension mseed up
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[gogoofy: looks better
Kevintju [-\]: because of r5
WingZeros [17k\]: yes
isshoni [13k\]: black waal was facing white
agui [8k\]: not good for black
kkv [11k\]: black
WingZeros [17k\]: for back
Kevintju [-\]: good for b
sicbanana [14k\]: looks better, black can attack?
puzi [7k\]: only if b already has r/q 10
Necron [25k?\]: i like mblack here
swilks [7k\]: white
petro [?\]: good for white
braincrash [?\]: i like b
sicbanana [14k\]: oh
glint [-\]: show some respect ppl
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Necron [25k?\]: oh, i can see now
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Necron [25k?\]: huh?!?!
]
;W[]
;B[me]CR[me]C[Scribe [-\]: Black needs q10 to play this joseki in upper right
])
(;B[]C[fauli [11k\]: bing^^
]
;W[])))
(;B[qf]CR[qf]))
(;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ab]CR[ab]C[Necron [25k?\]: give the guy more time
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[Necron [25k?\]: its not fair
]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[PersonCube [26k\]: xD
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[re]CR[re]
(;B[bc]CR[bc]C[PersonCube [26k\]: He has things to do as well Necron.  hehe.
])
(;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[Necron [25k?\]: true
freeks [18k\]: hi guys
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[freeks [18k\]: & hi to mingjiu
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Dakre [1k?\]: s19
WingZeros [17k\]: B to play?
murky: B kills 
Dakre [1k?\]: black gets ko again?
bigfish [10k\]: dead
Necron [25k?\]: yes
bigfish [10k\]: dead
bigfish [10k\]: dead
gertzu [4k\]: W dead
PersonCube [26k\]: How would S19 work?  
sicbanana [14k\]: i guess unsettled?
Necron [25k?\]: no
gogy [5k?\]: t17?
Necron [25k?\]: if w plays t18 she might live
plonk [20k\]: s14 kills?
gertzu [4k\]: S14 
Necron [25k?\]: t18
ratata [2k\]: s14
bigfish [10k\]: s14
WingZeros [17k\]: S19
agui [8k\]: S19
robustiano [3k\]: s19 kills too
tarragone [11k\]: t17
bigfish [10k\]: r18
]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]C[freeks [18k\]: yup
PersonCube [26k\]: =)
bigfish [10k\]: yes
akko [18k\]: T14 
Necron [25k?\]: same here
]
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Necron [25k?\]: oh HO!
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[sd]CR[sd]C[ratata [2k\]: s19
PersonCube [26k\]: S19?
agui [8k\]: s19
Kevintju [-\]: s19
kkv [11k\]: s19
isshoni [13k\]: s19
bigfish [10k\]: s17
Necron [25k?\]: t18?
plonk [20k\]: t17
]
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Cornelius [8k\]: s19
PersonCube [26k\]: Omg!  I was right!  =D!!
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[PersonCube [26k\]: Awww
PersonCube [26k\]: I thought i had it too!  Darn!  *snaps fingers*
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[akko [18k\]: T14 
PersonCube [26k\]: =(
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[sicbanana [14k\]: hehe
freeks [18k\]: haha
bigfish [10k\]: ko
Necron [25k?\]: lmao
])
(;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Necron [25k?\]: awww fiddle sticks
akko [18k\]: T14 
]
;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;B[sf]CR[sf]C[Kevintju [-\]: s17
freeks [18k\]: whup
]
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[PersonCube [26k\]: So obvious.  X_X;;
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[PersonCube [26k\]: I never woulda guessed it
])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[sicbanana [14k\]: s16 throw in that way
]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rd]CR[rd])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Necron [25k?\]: royaly poed now
]
;B[sb]CR[sb])))
(;W[se]CR[se]C[bigfish [10k\]: r18
agui [8k\]: s17
Grimley [6k\]: t17
freeks [18k\]: r18
gogoofy: t17
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Gotenks [4k\]: t17 kills
freeks [18k\]: hm
freeks [18k\]: ah yes
]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[sd]CR[sd]C[PersonCube [26k\]: Cut.
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[PersonCube [26k\]: If cut, black fails.
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]))))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Necron [25k?\]: no, b wont fail
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Necron [25k?\]: i saw how
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Necron [25k?\]: finaly!
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc])
(;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]C[Necron [25k?\]: i think im starting to get it
]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
(;B[ac]CR[ac])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[freeks [18k\]: black to kill?
sicbanana [14k\]: k
akko [18k\]: T18 
glint [-\]: this weeks homework: Black to play
akko [18k\]: for KO
freeks [18k\]: r19
bigfish [10k\]: r19
murky: Thank you MingJiu Laoshi
parsan [12k\]: thanks
WingZeros [17k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
tarragone [11k\]: thank you
birne [1k\]: thank you Mr. Jiang
bigfish [10k\]: tht
agui [8k\]: ok Thank you very much !!
blastoff [21k?\]: THANK YOU
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
Dakre [1k?\]: thank you ;)
ManMachine [-\]: thank you very much
bo4 [14k\]: thanks 
sicbanana [14k\]: thanks a lot mingjiu!
Necron [25k?\]: MingJiu, u rule!
freeks [18k\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
bonobo03 [9k\]: thank you
binky [18k\]: thank you
plonk [20k\]: thx
boingo [16k\]: thanks
gogoofy: thanks see you soon
oeillet [8k?\]: thank you
bigfish [10k\]: thanks
zee [11k\]: thank you and to the ING Foundation
nux [17k\]: thanks
Kevintju [-\]: thanks
playgo [6k\]: thx
]))))
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: m3 has lots of variation, discuss next week
Necron [25k?\]: moyo?
]
(;W[pp]CR[pp]C[agui [8k\]: no
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[be]CR[be]C[Necron [25k?\]: ummm... 
olczyk [15k\]: D4
goglu [-\]: several ways
Necron [25k?\]: d4
tarragone [11k\]: B16
bigfish [10k\]: b17
Dakre [1k?\]: b15
agui [8k\]: yes
binky [18k\]: B16
wrong [2d?\]: yes
murky: not often
kkv [11k\]: yes 
Scribe [-\]: How can Black answer White b15
bigfish [10k\]: yes
puzi [7k\]: yes in some pro games
Necron [25k?\]: or d10
Bodo212 [12k?\]: no
WingZeros [17k\]: D14
gogoofy: b16
petro [?\]: i have seen it
kkv [11k\]: trick move..
sestir [3k\]: have used it =)
kkv [11k\]: if he has something on left side
agui [8k\]: invading a moyo
olczyk [15k\]: Stone around C13
tarragone [11k\]: no
kkv [11k\]: no
])
(;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[ss]CR[ss]C[wrong [2d?\]: rules don't forbid it ^_^
Necron [25k?\]: black wins right side
Scribe [-\]: without black stone at d10, b15 is too early
]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]
(;W[sj]CR[sj]C[Scribe [-\]: useful to invade a black moyo
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]C[isshoni [13k\]: i like black here ^^
agui [8k\]: yes
]
;W[be]CR[be])
(;W[be]CR[be]C[tarragone [11k\]: hehe i sent this question
Necron [25k?\]: i was right!
WingZeros [17k\]: i like c14
TheUnknown [13k?\]: ^^
]
(;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Necron [25k?\]: 4 once
Scribe [-\]: block possible
puzi [7k\]: wedge :)
Grimley [6k\]: c16
playgo [6k\]: C16 
Dakre [1k?\]: c16
kyrilin [14k\]: i like white...he plays surprising :)
akko [18k\]: C12 
Cornelius [8k\]: C16
kkv [11k\]: c16
bigfish [10k\]: c15
PersonCube [26k\]: C16 or 15?
binky [18k\]: C16
sicbanana [14k\]: c16
agui [8k\]: C15
agui [8k\]: no territori
]
(;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: white must wedge in, use forcing move
Necron [25k?\]: ouch
birne [1k\]: instead of black b16, is c14 ever possible?
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[Necron [25k?\]: i like white now
glint [-\]: steal?...lol W will get chased and may die
Dakre [1k?\]: b17
petro [?\]: B17
puzi [7k\]: b17
tarragone [11k\]: b17
agui [8k\]: B17
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[binky [18k\]: B14 
rusakko [6k\]: b17
Necron [25k?\]: b17
Scribe [-\]: very small life in cornre
Necron [25k?\]: buhbye white
]
(;W[de]CR[de]C[Mario111 [12k\]: d15
TheUnknown [13k?\]: makes sense
Cornelius [8k\]: can white play E16 after black B16 ?
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[olczyk [15k\]: D15
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
(;B[bb]CR[bb]C[Necron [25k?\]: capuring race
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[eg]CR[eg]C[TheUnknown [13k?\]: yup
sicbanana [14k\]: yes
birne [1k\]: Can black b16 be at c14 ever?
oeillet [8k?\]: ok
blastoff [21k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes thasnks
olczyk [15k\]: Clear.
]
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[ee]CR[ee]C[kkv [11k\]: b moyo is the one EYE
puzi [7k\]: counter atari tesuji =)
]
(;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Necron [25k?\]: snapback
Necron [25k?\]: gone in the wind
]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[sicbanana [14k\]: ah
puzi [7k\]: jackpot
]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Kevintju [-\]: not good for black
sicbanana [14k\]: wow, cool sequence
Scribe [-\]: balck moyo gone
Kerrick [16k?\]: full of b stones :-)
agui [8k\]: gone with the wind
])
(;W[bh]CR[bh]C[Kevintju [-\]: dumpling shape
Scribe [-\]: possible good for black
]
(;B[eh]CR[eh])
(;B[dp]CR[dp]))
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[Necron [25k?\]: how could have black avoided that
Necron [25k?\]: ?
]))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[ff]CR[ff])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[dg]CR[dg])))
(;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[bh]CR[bh]))
(;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[akko [18k\]: too small
]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[ca]CR[ca]C[iveseen [10k\]: so good for black
puzi [7k\]: funny
]))
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[Scribe [-\]: later white will atari at d17
]
;W[de]CR[de]
(;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ch]CR[ch]LB[ed:A]C[puzi [7k\]: this can get really complicated when facing a kyuplayer... xD
Scribe [-\]: keeps corner
])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]C[WingZeros [17k\]: gone
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]C[TheUnknown [13k?\]: didnt know this one ^^
olczyk [15k\]: Doesn't matter stealing territory from black.
]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Necron [25k?\]: et tu puzi^^
Cornelius [8k\]: can white play E16 after black B16 ?
kkv [11k\]: hmm sente :)
])
(;B[ee]CR[ee]C[PersonCube [26k\]: No.
]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: e15 here overplay
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
(;W[dc]CR[dc])
(;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[dc]CR[dc]))))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[PersonCube [26k\]: It fixes the weakness?
Scribe [-\]: white c15 is big mistake
Necron [25k?\]: block at c16
])
(;W[ed]CR[ed]C[Necron [25k?\]: no
PersonCube [26k\]: Why not?
Cornelius [8k\]: yes
iveseen [10k\]: trick
goglu [-\]: trick play ?
oeillet [8k?\]: e17
Necron [25k?\]: block e 17
Grimley [6k\]: now black e15
puzi [7k\]: today a danplayer did this against me
TheUnknown [13k?\]: yay, tesuji-day ^^
Grimley [6k\]: black e15
Grimley [6k\]: black e15
TheUnknown [13k?\]: is that something u should play at the beginning?
Scribe [-\]: e17 mistake
Lilltiger [8k\]: d17
birne [1k\]: d17?
petro [?\]: E15
Grimley [6k\]: E15
glint [-\]: C15 
gogy [5k?\]: b d17?
sicbanana [14k\]: d17?
]
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[olczyk [15k\]: C 16
Scribe [-\]: d17 not better than e17 per mingjiu
sicbanana [14k\]: e15 then?
Kerrick [16k?\]: :-)
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Fjunas [16k\]: .
Kerrick [16k?\]: b d17?
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: ouch!
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[de]CR[de]C[PersonCube [26k\]: =D
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[Necron [25k?\]: ohhhhh.
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[dc]CR[dc]C[Necron [25k?\]: owies
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]))
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[puzi [7k\]: couldnt you have told us this before todays tourney ^_^''
Cornelius [8k\]: E17 ?
goglu [-\]: E15 is better
WingZeros [17k\]: yes
murky: not really
Kerrick [16k?\]: yes
kkv [11k\]: ya
sicbanana [14k\]: a bit
PersonCube [26k\]: D17 is better... isn't it?
sicbanana [14k\]: oh
Kerrick [16k?\]: *sob*
murky: please give us choices
wrong [2d?\]: mingjiu moves in a mysterious way
Necron [25k?\]: dead
TheUnknown [13k?\]: E15 seems nice
])
(;B[ee]CR[ee]C[PersonCube [26k\]: =D!
puzi [7k\]: jesus christ
TheUnknown [13k?\]: shicho?
wrong [2d?\]: I have a feeling that children would adore mingjiu's lessons
WingZeros [17k\]: not anymore
]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Necron [25k?\]: puzi!
Scribe [-\]: e15 punishes white overplay at e16
PersonCube [26k\]: (puzi... no no no)
Necron [25k?\]: language
])
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Necron [25k?\]: im teen
]
;B[ec]CR[ec]C[PersonCube [26k\]: That's good for black, isn't it?
Necron [25k?\]: hey!
Necron [25k?\]: lol
])
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[ManMachine [-\]: we are his children
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[bb]CR[bb]C[Lotus12 [23k?\]: well said
]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[PersonCube [26k\]: Now white has the corner though... =l
Necron [25k?\]: we areall minjus children
PersonCube [26k\]: But it's small
WingZeros [17k\]: for B
sicbanana [14k\]: b tetter
TheUnknown [13k?\]: not too god for W
agui [8k\]: no
sicbanana [14k\]: better
Necron [25k?\]: now pay attention!
iveseen [10k\]: what about b14 for white
Grimley [6k\]: but its bigger life than before
iveseen [10k\]: ?
]
;W[ea]CR[ea]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives too small in corner
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[tarragone [11k\]: black thickness
kkv [11k\]: no bad result
murky: no
Necron [25k?\]: joseki!
PersonCube [26k\]: Yes Grimley, it is bigger than before.
kkv [11k\]: walls two way!!
Necron [25k?\]: i think
agui [8k\]: completely shut in
sicbanana [14k\]: black
goglu [-\]: white was tricked here it seems 
Scribe [-\]: black thickness is much greater
TheUnknown [13k?\]: yay, homeworks
wrong [2d?\]: homework ^_^
Necron [25k?\]: no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PersonCube [26k\]: xD
sicbanana [14k\]: in this?
tarragone [11k\]: :)
Necron [25k?\]: oh i already kno this 1
TheUnknown [13k?\]: sure thing
murky: If W tenuki, How B attack
agui [8k\]: yes
PersonCube [26k\]: if white tenukis, how can black attack white?
sicbanana [14k\]: hehe ok
Kevintju [-\]: i'm not home
Necron [25k?\]: wait
agui [8k\]: nice
PersonCube [26k\]: Alright then.  ^_^
Scribe [-\]: Homework, If W tenuki how can B attack
Necron [25k?\]: im wrong!
Grimley [6k\]: was this the one with the double ko?
Dakre [1k?\]: what about the last homework?
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[fe]CR[fe])))))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: Black has many options
sicbanana [14k\]: oh times up already
])
(;B[cf]CR[cf])
(;B[ce]CR[ce]))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]C[tarragone [11k\]: no
agui [8k\]: no
kkv [11k\]: hehe NO
]
;B[cd]CR[cd]C[PersonCube [26k\]: oh, right.  That makes sense.  =D
Scribe [-\]: black corner solid after white b15 and c15
binky [18k\]: no
]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bd]CR[bd]))
(;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[be]CR[be]C[puzi [7k\]: pointless
Bodo212 [12k?\]: no
murky: give free corner
kkv [11k\]: no way
]))))