(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-09-25]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]LB[co:C][do:D][cp:B][dp:E][cq:A]C[bigfish [9k?\]: hi
Hu [11k\]: Hello
Bodo212 [14k\]: hello
frst [1k?\]: Hi
Dakre [2k\]: hi
about11k [13k\]: hello 
Tarkam [?\]: Hello 
norb [8k\]: hi
Wook [-\]: Good morning, afternoon or evening, depending on where you are :)
ideka [13k\]: hi :)
gobasso [13k?\]: hello
sicbanana [13k\]: hey
ideka [13k\]: yup
Hu [11k\]: Good sound today.
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
sicbanana [13k\]: yes
norb [8k\]: jep
about11k [13k\]: yeah
gobasso [13k?\]: yes
omario [22k?\]: yes
ab69f [?\]: Hi mingjiu ^^ (shivering in anthicipation of mingjiu's 'yup')
Wook [-\]: mingjiu Hi there :) Nice to see you again
wrong [2d?\]: ni hao everyone
norb [8k\]: its good for us thx
Wook [-\]: Scribe is not here today (yet?), so some good written comments are welcome
wrong [2d?\]: amateur games have "better" mistakes ^_^
sicbanana [13k\]: ok
kinbeftdo: e
Fern [11k\]: any
sicbanana [13k\]: b, e
Scribe [-\]: black must cut 
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: ok
]
(;W[dc]CR[dc]C[Hu [11k\]: I will scribe.
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]C[Wook [-\]: thank you Hu
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]LB[df:A]C[wrong [2d?\]: xiexie
Hu [11k\]: Mingjiu is showing an amateur game.
wrong [2d?\]: san-ren-sei
Hu [11k\]: The three stones marked are too heavy
ptiGOt [9k\]: takemiya's favorite way
Scribe [-\]: different game
bigfish [9k?\]: c9
]
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[olczyk [15k\]: A lot of pros skip d14 or d13.
kinbeftdo: san lian xing
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[mo]CR[mo]C[Scribe [-\]: very very common joseki
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
]
(;W[df]CR[df]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: white is gentle, no?
ptiGOt [9k\]: he lets black doing exactly what he wants
])
(;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [-\]: j4 is wrong direction of play after black n5
wingnut [-\]: why is it bad for W to play on the bottom?
Hu [11k\]: This is a lesson, ptiGOt.  It is not good to make kibitzing comments, please.
sicbanana [13k\]: what if black 016?
agui [8k\]: O15?
ptiGOt [9k\]: O15
bigfish [9k?\]: r14
swilks [7k\]: jump
agui [8k\]: for black
xDarigaaz [13k\]: r17
Fern [11k\]: Q14
ptiGOt [9k\]: r17 is no good
]
(;W[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[kinbeftdo: m16
])
(;W[ld]CR[ld])
(;W[pf]CR[pf])
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[rusakko [6k\]: not good
ptiGOt [9k\]: too gentle
kinbeftdo: no
Fern [11k\]: good wall
sicbanana [13k\]: same joseki
bigfish [9k?\]: okay
wingnut [-\]: helps B build wall/influence
HuonoLapsi [22k?\]: isint that ineffective?
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[agui [8k\]: possible
sicbanana [13k\]: better for black
Scribe [-\]: san ren sei destroyed
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong direction for black to block
Scribe [-\]: result good for white
])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Badduck [5d\]: hm r17 is ok?
]
;B[me]CR[me]TR[kg][lg][mg][kh][lh][mh][ki][li][mi][kj][lj][mj][kk][lk][mk][kl][ll][ml]C[Fern [11k\]: O10
sicbanana [13k\]: perfect moyo for b
kinbeftdo: big
ptiGOt [9k\]: w resign ; )
WingZeros [17k\]: big moyo for B
norb [8k\]: :))b
agui [8k\]: playable
Wook [-\]: game over? :)
Badduck [5d\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: game not over.  this is acceptable to both sides
wingnut [-\]: can't W reduce it?
sicbanana [13k\]: how to invade?
kinbeftdo: white has 4 corners
olczyk [15k\]: whO?
wingnut [-\]: subway go
goglu [-\]: Cho Chikun
birne [1k\]: after this, how should White reduce?
olczyk [15k\]: Cho Chikun?
wingnut [-\]: cho chikun
kinbeftdo: george quin
Scribe [-\]: territory oriented professional feels that White is good
ptiGOt [9k\]: a sumo wrestler can put his hand in the moyo, takemiya sau, it's an easy win
Badduck [5d\]: :-) subwaygo
ptiGOt [9k\]: *say
cherisse [12k\]: what is subway go?
ab69f [?\]: Playing Go in the subway ?
Zagga [10k\]: white d14?
oeillet [8k?\]: l10
JamesJoker [9k\]: o10
kinbeftdo: r10
Scribe [-\]: same too deep
sicbanana [13k\]: n10?
ptiGOt [9k\]: tsuki?
kinbeftdo: r10
wingnut [-\]: O10 
norb [8k\]: r 10
rusakko [6k\]: N10
blue88 [-\]: n10
kinbeftdo: r10
sicbanana [13k\]: hehe
Geng [6k\]: edge of the moyo
WingZeros [17k\]: hahah
kinbeftdo: r10
frst [1k?\]: R10
Scribe [-\]: white should play along L M or N lines
FatBastard [-\]: R10 ?
sicbanana [13k\]: i say n10
Scribe [-\]: between 8 and 13 rows
Dakre [2k\]: i say m10 :>
zeroblue42 [15k\]: M9 
kinbeftdo: r10
Badduck [5d\]: m10
norb [8k\]: n 10
au2 [3k\]: M10 my choice
WingZeros [17k\]: N10
Vilzu [3k\]: M10
bigfish [9k?\]: sent
wrong [2d?\]: no eyes, no home
rusakko [6k\]: white's eyes are under the black stones...
kinbeftdo: s15, s5, then r 10
wrong [2d?\]: so, n10
birne [1k\]: what if black ignores w when white plays on the m line?
kinbeftdo: yotar
Scribe [-\]: m11 better than m9 due to cutting point at d14
]
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[blue88 [-\]: d14?
sicbanana [13k\]: something around n10?
agui [8k\]: white can reduce moyo
ptiGOt [9k\]: white must reduce
Scribe [-\]: too deep
au2 [3k\]: w M10 better ?
bigfish [9k?\]: n1
Dakre [2k\]: m10?
])
(;W[ql]CR[ql]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: tsuki?
olczyk [15k\]: O10 or N10
wrong [2d?\]: somewhere on the 10th line - simmetry?
Geng [6k\]: n10
])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[sicbanana [13k\]: hehe
FatBastard [-\]: ^^
Badduck [5d\]: action
ptiGOt [9k\]: fight
bigfish [9k?\]: no
au2 [3k\]: this makes a fun game
wrong [2d?\]: B surprised ;)
]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[ri]CR[ri]C[wingnut [-\]: suicide trooper
Scribe [-\]: too deep, okay for handicap game
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]C[wingnut [-\]: damages W corner
]
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[sicbanana [13k\]: can be killed
])
(;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[FatBastard [-\]: Q7 
Scribe [-\]: white is weak
]))
(;W[]C[Scribe [-\]: s4 sente for black 
]
(;B[rp]CR[rp]C[Fern [11k\]: n10
])
(;B[jq]CR[jq])
(;B[ro]CR[ro]))
(;W[nj]CR[nj]C[olczyk [15k\]: 8 line probably best
]
;B[lj]CR[lj]C[sicbanana [13k\]: too deep?
agui [8k\]: too deep
blue88 [-\]: m10?
smudge [12k?\]: pretty deep
zeroblue42 [15k\]: too deep
])
(;W[mj]CR[mj]C[sicbanana [13k\]: my guess..
oeillet [8k?\]: l10
kinbeftdo: white try to go down
sicbanana [13k\]: when white n10 and black attack: can white make sabaki?
]
(;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[mi]CR[mi]C[agui [8k\]: just the limit
wingnut [-\]: borderline
]
;B[nh]CR[nh]C[bigfish [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: position not good enouh for black
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[WingZeros [17k\]: yes
Badduck [5d\]: no
wingnut [-\]: yes
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
blue88 [-\]: sure
Dakre [2k\]: no
agui [8k\]: perhaps
FatBastard [-\]: black very happy
Fern [11k\]: normal
sicbanana [13k\]: still quite big
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[sp]CR[sp]C[Dakre [2k\]: seems ok for white
]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sq]CR[sq]C[goglu [-\]: white is better here I think
]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Fern [11k\]: for this style normal way
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: not good enough for black
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rf]CR[rf]TR[dq]C[blue88 [-\]: assuming he gets those forcing moves ^^
Scribe [-\]: black territory is too smal
FatBastard [-\]: N10 grpup weak
sicbanana [13k\]: 10?
DrGoPlayer [-\]: 40
wrong [2d?\]: 40+
Badduck [5d\]: ~45
agui [8k\]: less than 40 points
sicbanana [13k\]: ah
tbirdy [12k\]: 30-40
Scribe [-\]: nearly 45 points for black
tbirdy [12k\]: 20
rusakko [6k\]: 45
olczyk [15k\]: 35.5
Scribe [-\]: white got two corners
agui [8k\]: and komi
kinbeftdo: whites bigger
oeillet [8k?\]: sente + komi
kinbeftdo: white is winnin
Scribe [-\]: white has 3 corners (30 points), sente and a stone at d3
yfh2 [10k\]: but W has a weak group : -10 points ?
olczyk [15k\]: and D14
agui [8k\]: yes
Badduck [5d\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
FatBastard [-\]: i still prefer black but ok
sicbanana [13k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes
])
(;B[nk]CR[nk])
(;B[kj]CR[kj]C[wingnut [-\]: hehe 
sicbanana [13k\]: humm..
kinbeftdo: ok
Scribe [-\]: black can not defend, too slow, must attack
]
;W[ml]CR[ml]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: tsuki
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[kh]CR[kh]C[kinbeftdo: no
wingnut [-\]: nope
blue88 [-\]: looks possible
bigfish [9k?\]: no
sicbanana [13k\]: hardd for me :)
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
oeillet [8k?\]: white in trouble
wrong [2d?\]: yes, in handi game
Badduck [5d\]: for cho chik perh
norb [8k\]: not in an even game
]))
(;W[li]CR[li]TR[lg][lh]C[Dakre [2k\]: could you point out the difference between m10 and m11 again?
agui [8k\]: yes
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
FatBastard [-\]: clear
zeroblue42 [15k\]: what about M9 ?
Bodo212 [14k\]: think so
wingnut [-\]: the door to the moyo
swilks [7k\]: yes
Cholo [3k?\]: yes
FatBastard [-\]: right
ptiGOt [9k\]: yes
birne [1k\]: After black m17, if white palyed r14 what should black do?
bigfish [9k?\]: no
Bodo212 [14k\]: no thx
frst [1k?\]: thx
fauli [11k\]: why b didnt play the sente moves first?
FatBastard [-\]: no but thx for ask
Wook [-\]: very very interesting
Dakre [2k\]: could you point out the difference between m10 and m11 again?
fauli [11k\]: in the corners
]
(;B[mj]CR[mj]
(;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sq]CR[sq]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[rf]CR[rf]TR[og][nh][li][mi][lj][lk][kl]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: when white let black having this kind of moyo, he must be determined to fight
Dakre [2k\]: 50+
agui [8k\]: 40
wrong [2d?\]: same as before
sicbanana [13k\]: 40
oeillet [8k?\]: 40
ptiGOt [9k\]: few
bigfish [9k?\]: 50
Scribe [-\]: 35 points for black
tbirdy [12k\]: 35
WingZeros [17k\]: about 45
Badduck [5d\]: ~45
Foxferatu [19k\]: varyed counting!
Scribe [-\]: 50 points for Black
kinbeftdo: bigger
birne [1k\]: w is much better outside than before?
Kulai [8k\]: wall
oeillet [8k?\]: white more thickness in center
blue88 [-\]: whites wall works nice with his corner stones
norb [8k\]: strong
agui [8k\]: has thikness
wrong [2d?\]: W better than before
Scribe [-\]: White: 3 corners but much better outside thickness
sicbanana [13k\]: nice for fighting
Scribe [-\]: than before
ptiGOt [9k\]: w can attack
]
;W[df]CR[df]C[kinbeftdo: game over for black
sicbanana [13k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [14k\]: yes
])
(;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[lk]CR[lk]))
(;B[ji]CR[ji]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
(;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[ql]CR[ql]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: black's suicide
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]C[Scribe [-\]: much better for white than the reduction at n10
])
(;W[lo]CR[lo]C[Scribe [-\]: much easier to make two eyes
])))
(;W[mi]CR[mi]LB[ki:A][kj:B]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: attack
Scribe [-\]: m line makes it very hard for black to choose between defend or attack, neither works well for black
Scribe [-\]: black p11 is too defenesive
gobasso [13k?\]: n10
WingZeros [17k\]: P12
agui [8k\]: L11
ratata [2k\]: l11
ptiGOt [9k\]: l11
blue88 [-\]: tenuki XD
olczyk [15k\]: L11
bigfish [9k?\]: l11
wingnut [-\]: N9 
ptiGOt [9k\]: L11
Badduck [5d\]: m12?
agui [8k\]: too easy for white
Scribe [-\]: white position is too good.....one side of moyo lost after blakc n9
rusakko [6k\]: A
bigfish [9k?\]: a
sicbanana [13k\]: a
ratata [2k\]: a
HuonoLapsi [22k?\]: a
wingnut [-\]: A
ptiGOt [9k\]: a
oeillet [8k?\]: a
Badduck [5d\]: b
moichido [12k\]: a
Berliner [18k\]: a
LeFourBe [?\]: b
kinbeftdo: a
Scribe [-\]: attack with L11
]
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[about11k [13k\]: k10?
]
;W[mk]CR[mk])
(;B[ki]CR[ki]C[kinbeftdo: n9
olczyk [15k\]: tengen!
Scribe [-\]: cap the white stone directly at L11
]
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[wrong [2d?\]: maybe W should play D10, than B cannot attack at B10 :))
]
(;B[kk]CR[kk]C[sicbanana [13k\]: q8?
]
;W[mm]CR[mm]
;B[ll]CR[ll]C[fauli [11k\]: its what?
Badduck [5d\]: ah
])
(;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[kk]CR[kk]C[Scribe [-\]: When white plays  on line L, black and just defend, inside is big enough
kinbeftdo: no
bigfish [9k?\]: no
blue88 [-\]: not really
wrong [2d?\]: then*
]))
(;W[pi]CR[pi]C[kinbeftdo: oh!
FatBastard [-\]: P10 ? 
sicbanana [13k\]: p11?
bigfish [9k?\]: r11
olczyk [15k\]: R11
ptiGOt [9k\]: solid defense!
agui [8k\]: R11
kinbeftdo: p11
]
(;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Scribe [-\]: r11 give many forcing moves
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: yes
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[ji]CR[ji]
;W[jh]CR[jh]
;B[ii]CR[ii]TR[ol][om][on][dq]C[kinbeftdo: bad for b
norb [8k\]: (.)(´)
agui [8k\]: no
FatBastard [-\]: ugly 
kjp [7k\]: bed for b
sicbanana [13k\]: looks strange :)
bigfish [9k?\]: no
ptiGOt [9k\]: :(
Hu [11k\]: White wall faces black.
Foxferatu [19k\]: not ugly, lines are prtty =P
Scribe [-\]: black is over concentrated, not possible unless lower left corner is black
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[blue88 [-\]: somewhat overconcentrated
]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[Scribe [-\]: white attacks black up top
kinbeftdo: game over
])
(;B[oi]CR[oi]C[sicbanana [13k\]: hey, i was right :)
kjp [7k\]: cut
ptiGOt [9k\]: crosscut
bigfish [9k?\]: crossut
agui [8k\]: P10
sicbanana [13k\]: hehe thx
kinbeftdo: p10?
kjp [7k\]: or hane
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]C[kjp [7k\]: cut or hane
blue88 [-\]: o11
wrong [2d?\]: being right or not, I'll always be wrong
blue88 [-\]: o11
JamesJoker [9k\]: p12
]
(;B[oh]CR[oh]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: no
Garrod [?\]: no
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]LB[rd:D][re:C][ro:A][rp:B]C[FatBastard [-\]: white live
Scribe [-\]: good enough for black, white will live, black has sente moves at s4, 5, 15, 16
])
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: all the previous moves are losts
]
;B[qj]CR[qj]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: ok
]
(;W[qk]CR[qk]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[FatBastard [-\]: :P
Scribe [-\]: balck failed to punish white r9
agui [8k\]: can cut
oeillet [8k?\]: p9
]
(;W[nk]CR[nk]C[Scribe [-\]: okay for white
])
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[sicbanana [13k\]: this is game?
agui [8k\]: nice move !!
kinbeftdo: p9
Scribe [-\]: white tries to make good shape
sicbanana [13k\]: 010 for b?
ratata [2k\]: p9
ptiGOt [9k\]: p9 is enough for black no?
zeroblue42 [15k\]: P9 ?
kjp [7k\]: cut
bigfish [9k?\]: p9
kinbeftdo: p9
]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]C[sicbanana [13k\]: yep p9 better
]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[nj]CR[nj]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong direction to play o10
Scribe [-\]: cut at p9 then capture
Scribe [-\]: white has broken shape
Badduck [5d\]: bad for w?
])
(;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[ok]CR[ok])
(;B[kk]CR[kk]
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[FatBastard [-\]: avaricious black
])
(;W[on]CR[on]
(;B[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [-\]: o4 good enough for black
kinbeftdo: p8
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: still hard for white to make two eyes
]
(;B[ro]CR[ro])
(;B[rp]CR[rp]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[np]CR[np]C[Foxferatu [19k\]: pfft credit whore =P
]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[oo]CR[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: must beware of damaging corner in making eyes outside
rusakko [6k\]: b s3
bigfish [9k?\]: whit attaking black
kinbeftdo: w attackin b
zeroblue42 [15k\]: P8 
kjp [7k\]: hard for B to live now
FatBastard [-\]: P7 
Foxferatu [19k\]: i'd be thinking about the bottom left by this stage
]
;B[om]CR[om]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for black
kinbeftdo: game over
]
(;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: okay for white
]
(;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: b can live but it's good for w
kinbeftdo: game over
FatBastard [-\]: nice for b
Scribe [-\]: white o7 is an error
]
;W[nj]CR[nj]C[agui [8k\]: €
oeillet [8k?\]: q8
ptiGOt [9k\]: atari
Foxferatu [19k\]: euro?
kinbeftdo: q8
bigfish [9k?\]: alot
zeroblue42 [15k\]: R7 
kjp [7k\]: r7
wossname [15k\]: euro attack
sicbanana [13k\]: s9
ptiGOt [9k\]: R7
Ekei [11k\]: r7
ideka [13k\]: o8
kinbeftdo: r7
kjp [7k\]: R7 + Q8 + S9
FatBastard [-\]: R8 
emot [9k\]: R8
isshoni [14k\]: s9
moejoe [6k\]: r8
Foxferatu [19k\]: no, Q 8
kinbeftdo: r7 is best
oeillet [8k?\]: r7
crapodette [3d\]: not sente
frst [1k?\]: r7
ptiGOt [9k\]: r7
Scribe [-\]: r7 big mistake
sicbanana [13k\]: oh
Garrod [?\]: r8
]
(;B[qm]CR[qm]C[isshoni [14k\]: s9!
Scribe [-\]: black must kill the three white inside stones
sicbanana [13k\]: hehe
Scribe [-\]: s9 also big mistake
]
;W[nl]CR[nl])
(;B[rk]CR[rk]C[kinbeftdo: r7
kjp [7k\]: q8
Kulai [8k\]: Q8 
about11k [13k\]: o9
blue88 [-\]: killing dead stones in gote ^^
WingZeros [17k\]: r8
kjp [7k\]: s8
Foxferatu [19k\]: c6 =P
ratata [2k\]: l7
kinbeftdo: r8
Kulai [8k\]: R7
Badduck [5d\]: l8
Scribe [-\]: black q8 makes the white response gote
olczyk [15k\]: Q12?
ideka [13k\]: s8
about11k [13k\]: O9?
wossname [15k\]: q12
crapodette [3d\]: m6
kinbeftdo: s8
kinbeftdo: s8
kjp [7k\]: S8
ptiGOt [9k\]: w can't do anything
tuesday: m5
crapodette [3d\]: m7
ligo [?\]: m5
about11k [13k\]: n6
sicbanana [13k\]: r8?
plonk [20k\]: s6
beginner [12k\]: s10?
kinbeftdo: s10
kinbeftdo: s10
bigfish [9k?\]: 08
Hu [11k\]: Somebody already mentioned r8 earlier.
ratata [2k\]: m5
about11k [13k\]: n6
]
;W[lo]CR[lo]C[sicbanana [13k\]: oh
zeroblue42 [15k\]: no
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[bigfish [9k?\]: yes
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[Scribe [-\]: white tesuji m5
]
;W[ln]CR[ln]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: ok
FatBastard [-\]: nice¡
blue88 [-\]: oh là là
ptiGOt [9k\]: hard to find...
Scribe [-\]: white will kill the black stones at n5
tuesday: ?
bigfish [9k?\]: I thought of that
ptiGOt [9k\]: lol
zeroblue42 [15k\]: N4 ?
])
(;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[nl]CR[nl]))
(;W[nn]CR[nn]))
(;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[mn]CR[mn])))))
(;W[ok]CR[ok]C[bigfish [9k?\]: bad move
]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: what's the level of the 2 players please?
]))
(;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[Badduck [5d\]: m5?
]
(;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[nk]CR[nk]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: no good
]
;W[mk]CR[mk]C[Scribe [-\]: black cut at p9 severe
]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[FatBastard [-\]: O8 
Scribe [-\]: white has no continuation
]
;B[ml]CR[ml])
(;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[ol]CR[ol]C[kinbeftdo: yes
Scribe [-\]: white loses a lot
Scribe [-\]: big for blafck
Kevintju [14k?\]: b's too strong there
])))
(;W[ok]CR[ok]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: no thx
agui [8k\]: no.  all clear
]
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: n9
kjp [7k\]: m9
kjp [7k\]: now W m9
Scribe [-\]: white r9 is too much, so much connect. 
FatBastard [-\]: all clear
bigfish [9k?\]: no
Fern [11k\]: no
Scribe [-\]: this is good enough for balck
kinbeftdo: no
])
(;B[mk]CR[mk]))))
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[agui [8k\]: good for white
Inazuma [5k\]: no 
Garrod [?\]: no
kinbeftdo: no
ptiGOt [9k\]: ladder
Scribe [-\]: not possible for black
Berliner [18k\]: no
agui [8k\]: yes
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
kinbeftdo: yes
Foxferatu [19k\]: he can if he beleives he can!
ideka [13k\]: yes because ladder doesn't work for w
rusakko [6k\]: ladder works for white
wrong [2d?\]: what ladder?
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[ideka [13k\]: now he can't
FatBastard [-\]: goht ladder
FatBastard [-\]: gosh
wrong [2d?\]: that one?
]
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[oh]CR[oh])
(;B[mf]CR[mf]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: it's not a ladder but white can use it to take good shape
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[bigfish [9k?\]: no
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[wrong [2d?\]: crouching tiger, hidden ladders :)
]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[rusakko [6k\]: :O)
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[Inazuma [5k\]: eepers
Scribe [-\]: bad for black
]))
(;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[mj]CR[mj]C[Scribe [-\]: bad for black
]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[mg]CR[mg]C[kjp [7k\]: folding B
olczyk [15k\]: N13 or N12 for White?
]))
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[bigfish [9k?\]: 10d
kinbeftdo: p11
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[nl]CR[nl]C[bigfish [9k?\]: ok
sicbanana [13k\]: white makes sabaki
kinbeftdo: black is connected
agui [8k\]: insufficient for black
kjp [7k\]: W is small
blue88 [-\]: b spent so many stones for nothing
])
(;B[qj]CR[qj])))
(;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[olczyk [15k\]: oh oh lagging
])
(;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[lh]CR[lh]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: cause of the 2 black stones
]
;B[jh]CR[jh]
;W[lf]CR[lf])
(;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[mk]CR[mk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[nh]CR[nh]))
(;W[ki]CR[ki]
;B[mi]CR[mi]C[bigfish [9k?\]: t1
fauli [11k\]: thx
ptiGOt [9k\]: too high
])
(;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[nj]CR[nj]C[Dakre [2k\]: ok, thanks ;)
Dakre [2k\]: yes
bigfish [9k?\]: ye
agui [8k\]: yes thanks
birne [1k\]: After black m17, if white palyed r14 what should black do?
])
(;W[lk]CR[lk]C[Scribe [-\]: m10 not good black will play o10 and black is okay
]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[jk]CR[jk]
;B[dg]CR[dg]C[Bodo212 [14k\]: clear
])
(;W[df]CR[df])))))
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[Scribe [-\]: white d14, c5, and o17 are fine continuation
])
(;W[jd]CR[jd]))
(;B[df]CR[df]C[Hu [11k\]: Sanrensei is common mistake.
frst [1k?\]: Q10
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Hu [11k\]: If you want to connect.
]
(;B[cj]CR[cj])
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dj]CR[dj]TR[de][cf][df]C[Scribe [-\]: c10 proper move when black d14
wrong [2d?\]: big komi changed Go so much
]))
(;B[dg]CR[dg]C[bigfish [9k?\]: 5d
sicbanana [13k\]: what about c5? after d13?
birne [1k\]: is black d5 possible?
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Hu [11k\]: After D13 joseki.
Hu [11k\]: Easy for White.
Scribe [-\]: c9 is too close
]
(;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[Waiting [?\]: Is that same if d3 was d4?
Scribe [-\]: Black needs to play faster than c9
Hu [11k\]: Don't like this path.
])
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Hu [11k\]: This is better.
]))
(;B[gf]CR[gf]C[Wook [-\]: here is scribe :) Hi, nice to see you
olczyk [15k\]: Yes.
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
ptiGOt [9k\]: takemiya
Scribe [-\]: ;)
sicbanana [13k\]: one time
Scribe [-\]: g14 moves towards moyo game
Scribe [-\]: moyo game
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Stav [13k?\]: nie weiping played this ^^
]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[Hu [11k\]: Go ahead, take over, Scribe.
Scribe [-\]: g14 also possible
])
(;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[ee]CR[ee]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not need to worry about the cut at d14
]))
(;B[co]CR[co]C[Scribe [-\]: big difference between connect at d14 and hanging connection at d13
Scribe [-\]: still okay
sicbanana [13k\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: after d14 hard for black to tenuki
ptiGOt [9k\]: so A is gote and B is sente?
about11k [13k\]: how to punish B if he play somewere else instead of d14 or d13?
Scribe [-\]: can tenuki before playing d14 or d13
bigfish [9k?\]: cut'
])
(;B[dn]CR[dn]))
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Scribe [-\]: Joseki Question
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]LB[pj:A][qj:B]C[kinbeftdo: ok
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: same,black block at r16 needs a black stone at q10 or r10
]
;B[od]CR[od]C[bigfish [9k?\]: o18
agui [8k\]: o16
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]C[kjp [7k\]: n18
])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
(;B[mf]CR[mf]
(;W[]C[Scribe [-\]: balck n14 no choice
]
;B[pj]CR[pj])
(;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: to play this way black needs to have a stone at q10 already
]))
(;B[lf]CR[lf]C[sicbanana [13k\]: this joseki?
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[sicbanana [13k\]: yep
Cholo [3k?\]: yes
xDarigaaz [13k\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes 
kjp [7k\]: yes
ptiGOt [9k\]: yes
Kevintju [-\]: yes
bigfish [9k?\]: yes
]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qe]CR[qe]LB[ne:A]C[Scribe [-\]: balck must not atari at m14
Scribe [-\]: hard for black to block after the hane at s16
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[sd]CR[sd]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[sd]CR[sd]C[Scribe [-\]: black dead
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[Cholo [3k?\]: =(
kjp [7k\]: dead meat
agui [8k\]: :)))
]))
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
sicbanana [13k\]: nope
bigfish [9k?\]: cut
Bodo212 [14k\]: no
SAD21 [16k\]: no
Kevintju [-\]: no
TheUnknown [14k?\]: i dont :(
ptiGOt [9k\]: cut
bigfish [9k?\]: cut
frst [1k?\]: Q18
bigfish [9k?\]: cut
wrong [2d?\]: this for homework :)
petro [?\]: bQ18
bigfish [9k?\]: cut
kjp [7k\]: O18 or Q 18
isshoni [14k\]: o18 then q18?
agui [8k\]: inside
bigfish [9k?\]: outside
ptiGOt [9k\]: same thing
petro [?\]: Q18
sicbanana [13k\]: outside, then inside?
bigfish [9k?\]: o18
frst [1k?\]: o15
ptiGOt [9k\]: it's white choice
Dakre [2k\]: i'd prefer q18
agui [8k\]: Q18
SanRenSei [12k?\]: outside
bigfish [9k?\]: o18
sicbanana [13k\]: hehe
ptiGOt [9k\]: it's xhite choice
Daywalker [9k?\]: inside out ;D
bigfish [9k?\]: o18
wrong [2d?\]: kogo's joseki dictionary ^_^
blue88 [-\]: lol
seidelin [8k\]: or if he has superior skills
kjp [7k\]: cut first
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Kevintju [-\]: q
bigfish [9k?\]: o18
sicbanana [13k\]: k
bigfish [9k?\]: ok
]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: white hane at p15 is sente 
]
;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: b atari before
]
;W[na]CR[na]C[Lilltiger [8k\]: gote
])
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[na]CR[na]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[wrong [2d?\]: good empty triangle
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Badduck [5d\]: is this really ok for w?
]
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Scribe [-\]: white has bot m17 and q14
Scribe [-\]: good for black
]
(;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[me]CR[me])
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[md]CR[md]C[rusakko [6k\]: m15
moejoe [6k\]: he can't
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Kevintju [-\]: w lives small
kjp [7k\]: M17
blue88 [-\]: m17
frst [1k?\]: N!*
petro [?\]: N18
Dakre [2k\]: m17
swilks [7k\]: n18
bigfish [9k?\]: m17
Badduck [5d\]: n18
JamesJoker [9k\]: n17
patanjali0 [9k\]: n18
kjp [7k\]: m17
isshoni [14k\]: m17?
bigfish [9k?\]: did it die
]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]C[frst [1k?\]: n18
agui [8k\]: not good
]
(;W[mb]CR[mb]C[agui [8k\]: n18
wingnut [-\]: squeeze
JamesJoker [9k\]: n14
kjp [7k\]: connect
Badduck [5d\]: resg
Scribe [-\]: no continuation for black
])
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[mf]CR[mf]))
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[lc]CR[lc])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[isshoni [14k\]: black wanted to resign when he played p17 amyway ;)
Scribe [-\]: j16 is also sente
]
(;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[kb]CR[kb])
(;W[kb]CR[kb]LB[ib:G][jb:F][hc:I][ic:H][jc:E][kc:D][id:A][jd:C][je:B]C[Scribe [-\]: k16 is black sente, will be followed by black m18
Scribe [-\]: k17, j17 also sente
kjp [7k\]: have to think for j15
DrGoPlayer [-\]: ladder
kjp [7k\]: is this kikasi
rusakko [6k\]: J18?
sicbanana [13k\]: hehe
WingZeros [17k\]: lol
ptiGOt [9k\]: f
blue88 [-\]: "never let a stone die alone"
]
(;B[nf]CR[nf]LB[lb:B][jd:A]TR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: white sealed in
agui [8k\]: yes
kjp [7k\]: is that kikasi
Scribe [-\]: better to give up two stones than to give up one in this situation
sicbanana [13k\]: q10 stone
agui [8k\]: with a stone at q10
sicbanana [13k\]: seldom :)
]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[je]CR[je]C[kjp [7k\]: sente
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[jg]CR[jg])
(;B[jc]CR[jc])
(;B[ic]CR[ic])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[bigfish [9k?\]: k18
])
(;B[jb]CR[jb])
(;B[je]CR[je]C[Scribe [-\]: L17 sente, k18 sente
Kevintju [-\]: yes
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[ka]CR[ka]C[Scribe [-\]: even k15 sente !
Kerrick [15k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ka]CR[ka]C[ptiGOt [9k\]: k18 before?
frst [1k?\]: o.k
])
(;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[blue88 [-\]: same as before
]))))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[nf]CR[nf])))
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[bigfish [9k?\]: fight
Scribe [-\]: balck must not extend from o18
ptiGOt [8k\]: b under attack
])))
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[bigfish [9k?\]: why not
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[na]CR[na]C[Scribe [-\]: black must cut at q18
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]TR[kd]C[kjp [7k\]: ponuki for W
TheUnknown [14k?\]: poor little fella
blue88 [-\]: white k17?
Scribe [-\]: L16 stone is wasted
agui [8k\]: bad situated
kjp [7k\]: waste
xDarigaaz [13k\]: funny stone
frst [1k?\]: It is no good for B
bigfish [9k?\]: no rreason
wrong [2d?\]: L16 hanging out :)
Scribe [-\]: L16 has no meaning
]
;W[oe]CR[oe])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[me]CR[me]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[oe]CR[oe])
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Kevintju [-\]: yes
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[blue88 [-\]: good for b
seidelin [8k\]: white
Badduck [5d\]: b
Ekei [11k\]: w
au2 [3k\]: b is good
bigfish [9k?\]: both
xDarigaaz [13k\]: B
agui [8k\]: white
birne [1k\]: i like w
sicbanana [13k\]: white has cutting points
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[md]CR[md]C[Wook [-\]: B!
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]LB[mb:A]C[frst [1k?\]: good for B
])
(;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[blue88 [-\]: o.o*
]
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[ng]CR[ng])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[blue88 [-\]: l17
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]LB[ld:A]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Scribe [-\]: black must cut first at q18, hane first at o15 is an error
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[kb]CR[kb]C[agui [8k\]: yes thanks
Bodo212 [14k\]: thx
]))))))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]))
(;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]TR[ph][pj][pl]C[sicbanana [13k\]: sanrensei
Dakre [2k\]: when black has a stone around q10
moejoe [6k\]: when there is a stone around q10
blue88 [-\]: if he has a stone around q10
Scribe [-\]: black block of r16 only possible if black can develop the right side
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: look for a black stone at q10
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[kjp [7k\]: outside influence
])))
(;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[sicbanana [13k\]: wasnt easy
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[aa]CR[aa]C[Scribe [-\]: HomeWork
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[agui [8k\]: yes thanks
]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[TheUnknown [13k?\]: its gets easier the more you learn it ;)
omario [22k?\]: A19 ??!?!?
sicbanana [13k\]: yep
bigfish [9k?\]: no
sicbanana [13k\]: result is ko i think
Keido [10k?\]: yes
Dakre [2k\]: yes ;)
xDarigaaz [13k\]: i wasnt there last weak :(
Wook [-\]: theunknown the more you learn the more you can forget :)
birne [1k\]: i would do t18
plonk [20k\]: ko t18 and n19
ratata [2k\]: t18
bigfish [9k?\]: r19
Keido [10k?\]: t18
sicbanana [13k\]: bt18 then w q17
birne [1k\]: ko
bigfish [9k?\]: ko
sicbanana [13k\]: 18
bigfish [9k?\]: koko
sicbanana [13k\]: ko
Dakre [2k\]: ko
bigfish [9k?\]: ko
bigfish [9k?\]: ko
bigfish [9k?\]: ko
plonk [20k\]: ko
TheUnknown [13k?\]: Wook: so you simply have to continue your studies ;)
Dakre [2k\]: and white takes first
bigfish [9k?\]: plonk
sicbanana [13k\]: t18
plonk [20k\]: t18 or n19
frst [1k?\]: t18
House7 [-\]: r19
sicbanana [13k\]: yes he can kill if white makes mistakes :)
wrong [2d?\]: t18, b lives
sicbanana [13k\]: no the black answer to white q18
bigfish [9k?\]: 1e1e1e1e1e1e1e1e1e1e1e1ed
omario [22k?\]: A19
Kevintju [-\]: what comes after w q18?
]
(;B[ma]CR[ma]C[wrong [2d?\]: r19 now
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]C[frst [1k?\]: r19
]))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[sicbanana [13k\]: q18 now
Scribe [-\]: t18 good move
Dakre [2k\]: w q18 is best for white
wrong [2d?\]: q18
TheUnknown [13k?\]: S19
bigfish [9k?\]: r19
Scribe [-\]: r19 is big white misake, must play q18
frst [1k?\]: s19
xDarigaaz [13k\]: *t18
WingZeros [17k\]: nope
wrong [2d?\]: is there a new homework
kjp [7k\]: what if w takes out
TheUnknown [13k?\]: i've got headache... but no questions ^^
plonk [20k\]: ok
kjp [7k\]: what if W takes out
wrong [2d?\]: if not W p19, but elsewhere, can W avoid ko
TheUnknown [13k?\]: oh
TheUnknown [13k?\]: umm
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Dakre [2k\]: r18 would be ko too, but then black takes first
wrong [2d?\]: r19
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[kjp [7k\]: dead
frst [1k?\]: Q18
Dakre [2k\]: q18 is ko ;)
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[TheUnknown [13k?\]: oh... i see XD
])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[moejoe [6k\]: q18
Scribe [-\]: also dead after white s19
sicbanana [13k\]: s19
xDarigaaz [13k\]: s19
]
;B[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[pb]CR[pb])
(;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [2d?\]: seems not possible
]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[Dakre [2k\]: isn't that ko, too?
TheUnknown [13k?\]: double ko... isnt it?
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[omario [22k?\]: why is there a white stone in A10
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[xDarigaaz [13k\]: b z18 w q18 bs19
]))
(;W[na]CR[na]C[TheUnknown [13k?\]: after w played R18
TheUnknown [13k?\]: there was one, or not?
bigfish [9k?\]: same
Dakre [2k\]: ok, thanks for the lesson ;)
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
wrong [2d?\]: thank You
wholeboard [7k\]: thank you
omario [22k?\]: thank you for the lesson
Dakre [2k\]: and thanks to ing foundation
birne [1k\]: thank you Mr. Jiang
wrong [2d?\]: thanks to ING foundation
TheUnknown [13k?\]: thx for the great lesson
Kevintju [-\]: thanks you for the lesson
agui [8k\]: Thank you very much 
bigfish [9k?\]: THANK YOU
Berliner [18k\]: thx
Dakre [2k\]: you're doing a great job to the community ;)
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR A VERY NICE LECTURE
xDarigaaz [13k\]: thank you
Wook [-\]: Thank you very much mingjiu, have a nice week!
Kevintju [-\]: thanks a lot
isshoni [14k\]: thanks!
Stalker [8k\]: thank you
Hu [11k\]: Thank you MingJiu for double duty ^^
agui [8k\]: See you
Keido [10k?\]: thx
tukan [15k\]: thank you
frst [1k?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
moejoe [6k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi!
WingZeros [17k\]: Thanks for the lesson
zee [11k\]: Thanks to you and the ING Foundation
frst [1k?\]: bye
bebeplouc [?\]: thx
Wook [-\]: yes, i second the Thanks to Ing FOundation
au2 [3k\]: Have a nice week 
xDarigaaz [13k\]: see you next weak
Keido [10k?\]: bye
plonk [20k\]: thx, bye!
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
au2 [3k\]: bye bye
wrong [2d?\]: zai jian
wingnut [-\]: thx Mingjiu & the Ing Foundation
Kevintju [-\]: thank all scribers
Berliner [18k\]: see you next week
])))
(;B[cq]CR[cq]C[bigfish [9k?\]: any
olczyk [15k\]: C-6
])
(;B[dp]CR[dp])
(;B[do]CR[do]))