(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-10-02]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[freeks [17k\]: hi mingjiu
xDarigaaz [12k\]: hiii
wholeboard [7k\]: hi
murky: Hi Gomaster
tc3 [15k\]: hi
agui [8k\]: Hello
malpiatka [7k\]: hi
Dakre [2k?\]: hello ;) sound is good
Wook [-\]: Hi mingjiu :o)
freeks [17k\]: yo
ratata [2k\]: hi
spqr [8k?\]: hello
Aggel [?\]: yep
aggui: yes
xDarigaaz [12k\]: yeah
zee [11k\]: yes
kjp [7k\]: yes
Ahndraniel [13k?\]: hi
agui [8k\]: yes
silver2k4 [10k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu Laoshi
Kevintju [-\]: hi
draugluin [17k\]: hello Master!
murky: beautiful
Scribe [-\]: play at k4 does not allow black to fix in one move
TonyAdria [14k\]: i have a question about that joseki on the right there... its an overplay question
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[kjp [7k\]: so O4 is wrong
murky: How do we avoid this joseki?
]
(;W[dp]CR[dp]C[kjp [7k\]: what is the chineese/japaneese word for territory
]
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[aggui: di pan
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[freeks [17k\]: yup
])
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[WingZeros [17k\]: resign
]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[oeillet [8k?\]: why not A ?
Scribe [-\]: R6 and Q6 are preferred
TonyAdria [14k\]: play 4-4 points not 3-4 points
]
;B[jp]CR[jp]LB[pn:C][qn:D][po:B][qo:A]C[ticktock [16k\]: Kobayashi
Scribe [-\]: kobayashi fuseki
blue88 [-\]: koboyashi fuseki
Scribe [-\]: possible moves for white are Q5,6 and D5, 6
Scribe [-\]: R5, 6
kjp [7k\]: and what is best for B
swilks [7k\]: was black's original pincer best choice?  is q7 better?
blue88 [-\]: i love the koboyashi-fuseki btw :)
tarragone [11k\]: i is not supposed to be there
tarragone [11k\]: it would be wrong if it was there
blue88 [-\]: white A, black B?
aggui: find out your true IQ in an interactive game/test like never before at http://www.drhu.org then click on the rectangular 'flying' icon, just try it out! i did and it was great!
wrong [2d?\]: can ask a joseki Q?
wrong [2d?\]: ok
]
(;W[qo]CR[qo]C[blue88 [-\]: B&A too close
Stav [15k?\]: what happens after C?
]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
(;W[no]CR[no]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[ol]CR[ol]C[Scribe [-\]: white can not follow the o3 joseki line...dies in ladder
]
(;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
kjp [7k\]: B is big
Stav [15k?\]: maybe white Q6?
wingnut [-\]: good 4 B
tarragone [11k\]: black got solid territory
Scribe [-\]: black has big bottom
swilks [7k\]: black seems overconcentrated
BlueKid [6k?\]: white looks ok
xDarigaaz [12k\]: black is better and have sente
olczyk [15k\]: B isa overconcentrated\\
Badduck [5d\]: both ok?
BlueKid [6k?\]: w can H3
gohaschaos [?\]: k4 seems to close?
swilks [7k\]: and h3 is open
Scribe [-\]: BUT not good for black
blue88 [-\]: ippoji?
olczyk [15k\]: All but one stone on bottom.
freeks [17k\]: 3 edges for white
]
(;B[]
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[Babibo [5k\]: in terms of points, how would you judge the loss white has with this joseki. Is it important ? 
freeks [17k\]:  
]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: white can still invade at h3
Babibo [5k\]: ok
]
;W[jq]CR[jq])
(;W[]))
(;B[hp]CR[hp]C[Kerrick [15k?\]: b's stones are too high to be comfortable?
blue88 [-\]: nope
agui [8k\]: no
Dakre [2k?\]: overconcentrated
kjp [7k\]: over C
Scribe [-\]: black is inefficient
]))
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: better choice for balck
olczyk [15k\]: No.
tarragone [11k\]: no
aggui:  no
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[ko]CR[ko]TR[jp]C[kjp [7k\]: ladder
oeillet [8k?\]: !
]))
(;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[qm]CR[qm]TR[jp]C[kjp [7k\]: W has no eyes
])
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[blue88 [-\]: n3 instead?
Badduck [5d\]: r4?
au2 [3k\]: b P5 ?
Aggel [?\]: %)
kimba [7k\]: cant you repair b with sente o6?
blue88 [-\]: what about q5?
freeks [17k\]: on the board the letter i is failing :D
]
(;B[np]CR[np]
;W[rq]CR[rq]TR[jp][np][fq][pq]C[wingnut [-\]: game
oeillet [8k?\]: black has sente
aggui: slow
xDarigaaz [12k\]: hmm not good i think
freeks [17k\]: good for black?
kjp [7k\]: shut W in
petro [?\]: good 4 white
blue88 [-\]: b has no reason to complain
olczyk [15k\]: honte
Dakre [2k?\]: i'd prefer white
Badduck [5d\]: i like w - i know its not good
agui [8k\]: good foer black
Dakre [2k?\]: good for white
Stav [15k?\]: B
aggui: b
xDarigaaz [12k\]: good for black
freeks [17k\]: good for black
aggui: black
kimba [7k\]: b
K3NNiE [8k\]: w
Scribe [-\]: Result is good for White
freeks [17k\]: xD
kjp [7k\]: too open
Aggel [?\]: too flat?
ratata [2k\]: easy to invade
tarragone [11k\]: white can invade
aggui: no
Scribe [-\]: Black shape is too loose, while White is alive
Stav [15k?\]: i thought K3 and K4 where interchangeable :-)
agui [8k\]: too open ?
xDarigaaz [12k\]: yes
tarragone [11k\]: yes
blue88 [-\]: yes
WingZeros [17k\]: yes
TonyAdria [14k\]: yep
tc3 [15k\]: yes
Ahndraniel [13k?\]: yes
agui [8k\]: Yes thanks, very clear !
swilks [7k\]: YES
Aggel [?\]: yep
])
(;B[qp]CR[qp]C[petro [?\]: black S4
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[swilks [7k\]: p5
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[op]CR[op]C[Dakre [2k?\]: r3?
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
xDarigaaz [12k\]: p5 maybe
Scribe [-\]: bad for black
])
(;B[oo]CR[oo]C[agui [8k\]: P5
blue88 [-\]: no
Dakre [2k?\]: no ;)
oeillet [8k?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: this is the move!
Ahndraniel [13k?\]: no
Kerrick [15k?\]: no
kjp [7k\]: no
kimba [7k\]: no
Babibo [5k\]: no
silver2k4 [10k?\]: no
Stav [15k?\]: not popular :-)
olczyk [15k\]: Another cup of coffee!
kjp [7k\]: after P5
blue88 [-\]: b q5 after qhite r5
freeks [17k\]: yeah I also think q5 is good?
wrong [2d?\]: b P5 after W r5 - Talemiya style
WingZeros [17k\]: p7
]
(;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[on]CR[on]C[murky: This is ok
murky: for B
agui [8k\]: there is K4   !!
xDarigaaz [12k\]: k4 black is good
])
(;W[on]CR[on]
;B[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [-\]: Bad shape for black, black must play p[5 in place of o4
wrong [2d?\]: as clear as the sky in july^^
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[kjp [7k\]: what is the best continuation for W
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[mo]CR[mo]))))
(;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[mo]CR[mo]C[freeks [17k\]: good for black, yes
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Scribe [-\]: good result for black
freeks [17k\]: yes
blue88 [-\]: nice
TonyAdria [14k\]: B has a fair bit of money in the bank
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;W[pn]CR[pn]))
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[rq]CR[rq]TR[np][fq][pq]C[Kerrick [15k?\]: o6?
murky: J3
agui [8k\]: J4
tarragone [11k\]: L3 i think too
spqr [8k?\]: k3
]
(;B[jq]CR[jq])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
(;W[lp]CR[lp]C[drsb [11k?\]: l3
])
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[drsb [11k?\]: L3
]))
(;B[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: Black can not play in the middle between the single stone at f3 and two stones at o4, q3
Scribe [-\]: must choose to help the weak stone with play at j3
olczyk [15k\]: What's left A1?
murky: help the weak stone
Scribe [-\]: black can fix with one move at m4 or L4
ratata [2k\]: y
Bodo212 [13k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [12k\]: yep
Aggel [?\]: yep
swilks [7k\]: yes
murky: yes
agui [8k\]: yes
olczyk [15k\]: Oh OK.
])
(;B[kq]CR[kq]C[agui [8k\]: two weak points
])))
(;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[wingnut [-\]: 地盘 (di4 pan2)
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]LB[df:A][dg:B]C[silver2k4 [10k?\]: D5 
Babibo [5k\]: you cheated ! black tenukied twice 
]
(;B[df]CR[df]C[kjp [7k\]: thx
murky: triangle shape
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: If Black will tenuki, D13 better than D14
kjp [7k\]: no eye shape
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: in this position black shape is heavier than D13
]
;W[dj]CR[dj]LB[df:A][dg:B]C[Scribe [-\]: white has good squeeze
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[freeks [17k\]: not there
Scribe [-\]: balck is without eyespace
kjp [7k\]: around N13, when he is running
wingnut [-\]: in the middle of the board :p
])
(;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[xDarigaaz [12k\]: no black can c6
Scribe [-\]: this shape is more conducive to making eyes
kjp [7k\]: that happens
xDarigaaz [12k\]: yes
tarragone [11k\]: yes
wingnut [-\]: yes
Babibo [5k\]: yes
aggui: yes\\\\
Kerrick [15k?\]: yes
freeks [17k\]: yes i think so
Bodo212 [13k\]: yes
freeks [17k\]: :)
]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]C[wingnut [-\]: eye shape/flexability
])
(;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[ci]CR[ci]
;B[be]CR[be]))))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[murky: a game about joseki
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd])
(;B[pq]CR[pq]C[wrong [2d?\]: leads to complications
Scribe [-\]: little complicated this joseki
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
(;W[no]CR[no]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki reference sequence
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[Scribe [-\]: two choices N5 or Q10
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
(;B[mo]CR[mo])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
(;W[io]CR[io])
(;W[lm]CR[lm])))
(;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: little complicated this joseki
aggui: hao
TonyAdria [14k\]: W q4?
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: B P4
murky: treat is better
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[murky: block or retreat
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: erm for the bottom shouldnt B respond to R3 at R2 or P2?
]
(;B[oq]CR[oq]LB[op:A]C[aggui: not yet
agui [8k\]: no
drsb [11k?\]: no
murky: no
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
(;B[on]CR[on]C[Scribe [-\]: in game this joseki choice works for black
]
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[murky: this is a bit good for W
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[aggui: bad for b
Scribe [-\]: white is alive, good for white unless black already has stone in k4 area
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[dj]CR[dj]))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]))
(;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[or]CR[or]C[Stav [15k?\]: B
tarragone [11k\]: black
murky: for B
agui [8k\]: for black
oeillet [8k?\]: monkey jump
agui [8k\]: :))
]))
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[or]CR[or]
(;W[qs]CR[qs]
;B[on]CR[on]LB[qn:A]C[Scribe [-\]: give up one stone, get many forcing moves
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]LB[om:A])
(;W[on]CR[on]
;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[nm]CR[nm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[ok]CR[ok]))
(;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[on]CR[on]TR[kp][kq][kr][ks]))
(;B[oq]CR[oq]C[murky: B two ways
drsb [11k?\]: too many cutting points
]
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
(;B[op]CR[op]
;W[qr]CR[qr])
(;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[op]CR[op]
(;B[np]CR[np]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: CUT 03!
]
(;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: cut O3 :P
Scribe [-\]: too good for black
L2 [1d\]: atari at S3 not good?
])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
(;B[mq]CR[mq]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: P2 first :)
]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: B should come Down first
]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[sr]CR[sr]
;B[sq]CR[sq]C[wrong [2d?\]: mission imposible ^_^
Scribe [-\]: horrible for black
]
;W[ps]CR[ps]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[sr]CR[sr]
;W[ns]CR[ns]C[Scribe [-\]: black dead
Scribe [-\]: the big head ghost
tc3 [15k\]: yes
])
(;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[om]CR[om]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
])
(;B[or]CR[or]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: P2, O2, P1,
aggui: sound good
]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[Hu [11k\]: Was server lag.  Pitch gets higher when it catches up.
]
;B[os]CR[os]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[taj1ar [20k?\]: peace brüder
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
TonyAdria [14k\]: its fun :)
TonyAdria [14k\]: O6
aggui: sound back
]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: O5 is a mistake :)
tarragone [11k\]: tonyadria has a joseki book :)
wrong [2d?\]: Cornel told him ;)
Scribe [-\]: o6 dan level tesuji
Hu [11k\]: Sound is restored.
BlueKid [6k?\]: lol
]
(;B[on]CR[on]
;W[no]CR[no]C[drsb [11k?\]: :-)
]
;B[mp]CR[mp])
(;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[mo]CR[mo]C[oeillet [8k?\]: what a mess !
]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: this is HORRIBLE for black
blue88 [-\]: yikes
])
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: N4 or M4
]
;W[om]CR[om]C[wrong [2d?\]: this is good for B if he has a huge wall in the center :)
]
(;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[agui [8k\]: yes
]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[xDarigaaz [12k\]: yes
]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[no]CR[no]C[Dakre [2k?\]: hello
BlueKid [6k?\]: mixin some electro music in winamp into it
]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[xDarigaaz [12k\]: sound back
]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[rr]CR[rr]C[xDarigaaz [12k\]: nice
]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[rs]CR[rs]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[blue88 [-\]: double yikes
TonyAdria [14k\]: bum ugly for W
]
(;W[iq]CR[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: L2 is a must
]
;B[kr]CR[kr]C[wrong [2d?\]: l2
]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[Scribe [-\]: j3 is disaster
murky: Yes
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[kjp [7k\]: yes
Hu [11k\]: Yes.
Babibo [5k\]: yes
Stav [15k?\]: yes
snip [8k\]: yes
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]C[murky: J3 is quiting move
BlueKid [6k?\]: n2?
L2 [1d\]: O1 
WingZeros [17k\]: n2
petro [?\]: M1
freeks [17k\]: n2
tarragone [11k\]: yes
freeks [17k\]: I can hear you
]
(;B[ms]CR[ms]C[freeks [17k\]: 2!!
]
;W[ks]CR[ks]C[yanhai [6d\]: m1
Gotenks [4k\]: m1
])
(;B[ls]CR[ls]C[WingZeros [17k\]: ok
Badduck [5d\]: o1 too?
kjp [7k\]: bad sound
wrong [2d?\]: o1 doesn't work for b?
fauli [11k\]: sound is bad
wholeboard [7k\]: yes
tc3 [15k\]: yes
Bodo212 [13k\]: yes
aggui: a little fuzzy
]
(;W[ms]CR[ms]C[aggui: http://www.homestarrunner.com
]
;B[mq]CR[mq])
(;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[ns]CR[ns])))
(;W[kr]CR[kr]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: L2
]))
(;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[pk]CR[pk]C[blue88 [-\]: i dont think i will ever play this
])))))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: white should hane first at r3 before pushing at p4
])))
(;W[op]CR[op]
;B[np]CR[np]C[wrong [2d?\]: if B doesn't play P4, B plays P2 in the previous var?
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[on]CR[on]C[drsb [11k?\]: ok
]))))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[ManMachine [-\]: 2l8
Dakre [2k?\]: ko
Keido [10k?\]: yes, ko
kjp [7k\]: that was last week
aggui: white ko
Dakre [2k?\]: t18
]
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[freeks [17k\]: yupp
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[wrong [2d?\]: now W at o19
]
;B[ra]CR[ra])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Dakre [2k?\]: alive
]))
(;W[na]CR[na]C[wrong [2d?\]: t18 really bad here ;)
wrong [2d?\]: no no, new homework
gc1 [3d\]: S19 gives a ko 
aggui: s 19
Dakre [2k?\]: yep
plonk [20k\]: t18 again for ko
petro [?\]: Q19
Dakre [2k?\]: t18 is answered by s19 and white lives
wrong [2d?\]: t18 W lives
freeks [17k\]: if q19 what is whites
aggui: r19
freeks [17k\]: ß
Dakre [2k?\]: ko is the result ;)
plonk [20k\]: ko
Dakre [2k?\]: i think
wrong [2d?\]: seki not for sure
Dakre [2k?\]: that doesn't mean anything :>
aggui: ko
petro [?\]: Q19 kills
Dakre [2k?\]: q19 and white lives, i think
]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[wrong [2d?\]: w has to q18
aggui: r19
wrong [2d?\]: w r19 is bad here
Dakre [2k?\]: q18
wrong [2d?\]: q18
kjp [7k\]: r19
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[freeks [17k\]: r19
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
(;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[wrong [2d?\]: W lives
BlueKid [6k?\]: bP19 instead of N19
])
(;B[oa]CR[oa]C[BlueKid [6k?\]: -_-
Dakre [2k?\]: oh :>
freeks [17k\]: hmm
Dakre [2k?\]: nice!
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]))
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[ra]CR[ra]))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Dakre [2k?\]: s19
])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Dakre [2k?\]: so r19 is worse
kjp [7k\]: Why should B not play s19 in the diagram from last week
aggui: remember to go to 2 sites after this... http://www.drhu.org (and) http://www.homestarrunner.com
]
(;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
(;W[sa]CR[sa]C[oeillet [8k?\]: :)
]
;B[ob]CR[ob])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]))
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Dakre [2k?\]: but white takes first
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb])
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[sb]CR[sb]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[kjp [7k\]: B cann't play atari then, ok
wrong [2d?\]: i though KGS is add-free server ;)
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[sb]CR[sb]C[aggui: ok thank u
Dakre [2k?\]: thank you very much...
TonyAdria [14k\]: thanks for the lesson
Aggel [?\]: I have a question! %)
Ahndraniel [13k?\]: thanks
Bodo212 [13k\]: thx
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Aggel [?\]: so, if I want to hear about, say, muramasa - I just can send an email to sensei?
kjp [7k\]: Thank you
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: one question about this joseki
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[TonyAdria [14k\]: so, correct me if im wrong in my reading but, if B chooses to come down at P4 first Then W P3 is an overplay right?
xDarigaaz [12k\]: thank you
messiah [-\]: :)
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
aggui: homework
messiah [-\]: Thank you ming jiu :)=
beginner [12k\]: thank you mingjiu
aggui: bye
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR A NICE LECTURE
swilks [7k\]: thank you
Dakre [2k?\]: thanks to ing and thanks to mingjiu ;)
wrong [2d?\]: xiexie ni
binky [17k\]: thanks for the lesson
oeillet [8k?\]: thanks
WingZeros [17k\]: Thanks
kamiu [21k?\]: thanks
ManMachine [-\]: thanks and bye
aggui: thanks
Aggel [?\]: thanks! ^^
kjp [7k\]: new homework?
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
aggui: tnaks
Hu [11k\]: Thank you, mingjiu.
silver2k4 [10k?\]: thank you
Badduck [5d\]: thx :-)
aggui: thanks
Scribe [-\]: and The Ing Goe Foundation
freeks [17k\]: lol
wrong [2d?\]: I am jealous of the children u teach in person :(((
freeks [17k\]: thx
aggui: thanks
ManMachine [-\]: we love you mingjiu
kjp [7k\]: ok
]))))