(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[half final]PW[Lee Sedol]PB[Gu Li]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2005-10-19]EV[10th LG Cup]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]WT[Korea]BT[China]C[Bodo212 [13k\]: hello
crabpeople [8k\]: hello
murky: Hi
guojuan [5p\]: Hello
adHominem [21k?\]: hi
aditsu [10k?\]: salut
guojuan [5p\]: one more min.
guojuan [5p\]: salut
TonyTiger [5k?\]: ah. 10th lg cup semifinal?
Tarkam [?\]: hi guojuan
guojuan [5p\]: yep
murky: Cool
Tarkam [?\]: hi mingjiu
Slarty [4k\]: hello - is there audio?
guojuan [5p\]: yes
kongkaroo [9k\]: sawasdee krab ( Thailan greeting)
Jael [?\]: hi hi
Codexus [14k?\]: hello
Slarty [4k\]: aha :)
adHominem [21k?\]: hi!
Bodo212 [13k\]: sound nice
TonyTiger [5k?\]: I liked the other semifinal more, where the young chinese pro beated park moon yoon
bigfish [6k?\]: hi
adHominem [21k?\]: and good night!
olczyk [15k\]: Hello
xDarigaaz [11k\]: hi
petro [?\]: Yi Se Dol vs Gu Li
agui [9k\]: Hello
Jadeite [?\]: Chen Yaoye
guojuan [5p\]: 1/16
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
zee [11k\]: Semifinal of the 10th LG cup...Gu Li wins
Jadeite [?\]: no
mswue [?\]: are this players listet in gobase or senseis-library?
messiah [-\]: yes
Seigen: yes they are
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[·

]
;W[dc]CR[dc]C[neoRpgamer [5k\]: sorry, for yer info, piao wen yao is a korean who went to china with his mother since very small
]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[zee [11k\]: Gu Li is B
adHominem [21k?\]: this week Gu Li is somewhere on the front page of gobase i think
Seigen: @mswque http://senseis.xmp.net/?LeeSedol and http://senseis.xmp.net/?GuLi
mswue [?\]: thanks
Seigen: yw :)
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: GuoJuan studied this game with professionals in China.  She will try to relate some of their ideas in this lesson
]
;W[ci]CR[ci]C[

]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[Javaness [5k\]: secret chinese tesuji ^^
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
Scribe [-\]: After loss in last game, Gu Li changed his approach and played c6
]
(;W[cl]CR[cl]C[

Scribe [-\]: alternate path to reach same position as in the game
LordofGO [20k?\]: pls keep on lesson
Kerrick [15k?\]: dian if you have no sound rejoin 
Hu [11k?\]: Please don't bother the teacher, folks.
DianChan [9k\]: And when does guojuan teaching ???
Necron [22k?\]: wat happened 2 the sound?
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[

DianChan [9k\]: once a week or montth
]
;W[ed]CR[ed]LB[cl:B][cn:A]C[

Seigen: Dian please take the off topic talk to the open chat room, thank you
]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[

]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[

]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
(;B[bh]CR[bh]LB[ch:A]C[Scribe [-\]: black lives in upper left
Scribe [-\]: black c13 or c18 normal, black b12 is unusual
]
(;W[bb]CR[bb]C[

Scribe [-\]: b12 aims to weaken white for push cut at c12
aditsu [10k?\]: kyu spirit :)
Javaness [5k\]: we like to kill stones
messiah [-\]: ;)
SakuraHime [12k\]: yup
neoRpgamer [5k\]: gd job to Scribe
bigfish [6k?\]: no
TonyTiger [5k?\]: yes. we like to humiliate our opponents :)
oeillet [8k\]: I often kill my stones
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[bj]CR[bj]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[

Scribe [-\]: e18 kikashi, excellent timing
suducodu [?\]: audio is going on and off...
Scribe [-\]: black leaves to left with sente
messiah [-\]: no it isnt.
nigulh [17k?\]: audio ok
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[do]CR[do]
(;B[cr]CR[cr]C[

Scribe [-\]: a modern joseki in bottom left, quite new
Seigen: never seen it in a book yet
neoRpgamer [5k\]: is new
vuabocap [2k\]: d3?
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[dq]CR[dq]TR[gc][jd]C[

TonyTiger [5k?\]: a secret move :)
Scribe [-\]: white sente at both e2 and e3 after d4 in variation
Scribe [-\]: black is taking all the points
]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[

]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[

Scribe [-\]: m17 only way to use white thickness on the left side
SakuraHime [12k\]: lol
TonyTiger [5k?\]: :)
Javaness [5k\]: scary
SakuraHime [12k\]: young n dangerous :P
Scribe [-\]: Yi Setol becoming more balanced player, was too much fighting, now stronger yet
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 少年出人才
]
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
(;W[kb]CR[kb]SQ[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: white make ko very early in game
Kulai [7k\]: the group at d3
ticktock [16k\]: because he's thicker
swilks [7k\]: he has many ko threats on left side
Kerrick [15k?\]: he has threats in upper left?
adHominem [21k?\]: it was luch time
bigfish [6k?\]:    no ko threats
agui [9k\]: to put the black group in danger
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ac]CR[ac]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: white has many threats against black group at c14
]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[

THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ke]CR[ke]C[Javaness [5k\]: black has nice shape
Scribe [-\]: black surrenders the ko, and plays to make the ko heavier, in preparation for an exchange
]
;W[je]CR[je]C[

]
(;B[id]CR[id]C[

]
;W[jf]CR[jf]
(;B[le]CR[le]C[

]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]C[guojuan [5p\]: therefore white did not like this other variation
guojuan [5p\]: he wanted to keep aji before thsi group dies
guojuan [5p\]: before the exchange

neoRpgamer [5k\]: 他把劫看得太大。黑棋可弃左边的大龙
]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[suducodu [?\]: NO
Scribe [-\]: after white m16, much easier to start at ko at j18 for white
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 是
bigfish [6k?\]: yes
kalia [10k\]: lol
Javaness [5k\]: does irish count?
LordofGO [20k?\]: no 1 turkish here :P
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
Medice [-\]: :)
suducodu [?\]: I cant evevseeit
aditsu [10k?\]: I live in Hong Kong but I'm not Chinese
suducodu [?\]: *even
SakuraHime [12k\]: better type english
oeillet [8k\]: fine
suducodu [?\]: yes
bigfish [6k?\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: english is good
tibra [7k?\]: very well
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 明白
monchacha [12k\]: yes
SakuraHime [12k\]: yup can understand u
xDarigaaz [11k\]: fine
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]LB[nb:A][ob:B][nd:D][od:C]C[

Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 您的英文很好
Scribe [-\]: o17 very beautiful move, very hard for black to find a good response
]
(;B[md]CR[md]C[This was the only move in this situation. 

suducodu [?\]: Yes
oeillet [8k\]: white created ko threat before the fight
]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: YiSetol believes that the exchange of territory would favor black, therefore searches for local solution to fight
]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: haha
]
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: good job :D
Javaness [5k\]: you are strong enough ;-)
seera: don't be drinking too much now ^^
suducodu [?\]: go andwine?
murky: I feel that way after the wine
adHominem [21k?\]: are you drunk after this Ing lesson? :p
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: just let her talk
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[suducodu [?\]: Don't swear while your palying go...;)
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[

]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[

]
;B[ka]CR[ka]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[

Scribe [-\]: black could be quite happy with the variation
]
(;W[pg]CR[pg]C[There were many pros worried about black s17, they believed it was no necessary to play so severely. 


]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[

]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: PROBLEM....how does white live in variation with Black Q19
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[

]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[

]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ae]CR[ae]C[

]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[Scribe [-\]: in exchange forced in the end
Scribe [-\]: big gain for Black
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[aditsu [10k?\]: ttr
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[

Javaness [5k\]: :(
Zagga [10k\]: who won the game?
TonyTiger [5k?\]: Gu LI
rhubarb [5k\]: chinese win lg
THRESHOLD [?\]: no sound
aditsu [10k?\]: works now
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
THRESHOLD [?\]: fuzzy sound
TonyTiger [5k?\]: if chen yaoye wins he'll be the youngest international title winner
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: before you go can you give us whats the chinese site for wei qi?
oeillet [8k\]: ok
murky: continue please
LordofGO [20k?\]: thnx for lesson Master
Kerrick [15k?\]: that would be nice
Javaness [5k\]: we can see it next week
Jadeite [?\]: continue game 
SakuraHime [12k\]: we save today n u show nex week :D
oeillet [8k\]: thanks
ronin1 [8k?\]: next week :-)
xDarigaaz [11k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: There are many variations left in the game file....please review during the week
plonk [19k\]: see TOM
guojuan [5p\]: http://weiqi.sports.tom.com/home.php
rhubarb [5k\]: sina
TonyTiger [5k?\]: that would be great !
SakuraHime [12k\]: its ok
mswue [?\]: yes!
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 谢谢您
Jadeite [?\]: great
Javaness [5k\]: thanks GuoJuan
SakuraHime [12k\]: good job today :D
LordofGO [20k?\]: thnx for lesson again
xDarigaaz [11k\]: oki
xDarigaaz [11k\]: thx a lot
ljl [16k\]: thx
mswue [?\]: thank you
suducodu [?\]: thankies
olczyk [15k\]: thank you
sanniti [15k\]: thanks sensei
Javaness [5k\]: \\o/
oeillet [8k\]: see you next week
wholeboard [7k\]: thanks!
binky [15k\]: thank you
Stalker [9k\]: thanks
vince [7k\]: thank you
aditsu [10k?\]: thanks Ing
zee [11k\]: thank you
MarlotR: thank you
murky: thanks
Slarty [4k\]: thanks!
tibra [7k?\]: thank you a lot
Pepito [16k?\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Guojuan Laoshi
vuabocap [2k\]: thanks
erestor [7k?\]: thanks
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
MarlotR: well done GJ:)
Automatika [11k\]: how to save?
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: its very hard for me @_@
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
agui [9k\]: thank you very much
LordofGO [20k?\]: cool
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
wholeboard [7k\]: great
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
TonyTiger [5k?\]: home work?
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
binky [15k\]: thanks to Ing
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: same time?
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
mswue [?\]: cu next week!
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
Bodo212 [13k\]: thx scibe too
au2 [3k\]: thanks to Scribe
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok 
SakuraHime [12k\]: tq
Javaness [5k\]: @>----->---- flower for you
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
seera: thx
au2 [3k\]: bye
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: thankyou
seera: bye
adHominem [21k?\]: thank you!
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
LordofGO [20k?\]: thnx u too
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
Codexus [13k?\]: thank you
vuabocap [2k\]: see you soon
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
xDarigaaz [11k\]: see you, bye
MarlotR: thanks :)
xtr [?\]: thanks
THRESHOLD [?\]: thanks
binky [15k\]: ciao
Jael [?\]: thx
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
plonk [19k\]: thx, bye!
LordofGO [20k?\]: take care
]
(;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[guojuan [5p\]: he did not like white live

]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[

]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[nn]CR[nn]C[

]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[om]CR[om]
;W[mk]CR[mk]C[

]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[ni]CR[ni]C[

]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[ml]CR[ml]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
(;B[hq]CR[hq]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]LB[mq:A]C[

]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[ir]CR[ir]C[

]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ag]CR[ag]C[

]
(;W[af]CR[af]C[

]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[

]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[bf]CR[bf]LB[dh:A]C[

]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[

]
;W[io]CR[io]C[

]
;B[oi]CR[oi]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[nj]CR[nj]
;W[mj]CR[mj]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[qi]CR[qi]LB[pi:A]C[

]
(;W[ri]CR[ri]C[

]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[

]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[sh]CR[sh]C[

]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[sj]CR[sj]C[

]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[Cram [2k\]: o0

]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[

]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[gg]CR[gg]C[

]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
(;B[jq]CR[jq]C[

]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[

]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[iq]CR[iq]C[

]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[em]CR[em]C[

]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[guojuan [5p\]: so he took this exchange 

]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[rl]CR[rl]C[

]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[dm]CR[dm]C[

]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[li]CR[li]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
(;B[gq]CR[gq]C[guojuan [5p\]: this exchange is good for b
guojuan [5p\]: but Guli told after the game he knew he has won 

]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[guojuan [5p\]: so not necessary to make mess anymore

]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[is]CR[is]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[fs]CR[fs]C[

]
(;B[eq]CR[eq]C[

]
;W[hs]CR[hs]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[es]CR[es]
;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[ao]CR[ao]C[

])
(;B[hs]CR[hs]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
(;B[js]CR[js]
;W[gr]CR[gr])
(;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[js]CR[js]
;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[fr]CR[fr])))
(;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[kr]CR[kr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]C[

]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[

]))
(;B[hf]CR[hf]C[

]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[if]CR[if]C[

]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
(;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[jh]CR[jh]C[

]
(;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[kf]CR[kf])
(;W[ig]CR[ig]C[

]
;B[ih]CR[ih]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[gh]CR[gh]C[

]
;B[hh]CR[hh]
;W[hg]CR[hg]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[mh]CR[mh]))
(;W[gf]CR[gf]
;B[hg]CR[hg]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[jg]CR[jg]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[lg]CR[lg])))
(;W[hf]CR[hf]C[

]))
(;W[bf]CR[bf]C[

]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[af]CR[af]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[

]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ab]CR[ab]))
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]LB[ln:A]))
(;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[

]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[kp]CR[kp]C[

]))
(;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[ok]CR[ok]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[oj]CR[oj]C[guojuan [5p\]: now black just has to limit the center power

]
;B[nl]CR[nl]C[

]))
(;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[na]CR[na]C[aditsu [10k?\]: wow, bloody
SakuraHime [12k\]: lol
]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[

Scribe [-\]: lived very small
Scribe [-\]: too small, cant play this way
])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[Kacpergo [16k\]: r18
aditsu [10k?\]: easy
]))
(;W[na]CR[na]LB[ma:A]C[

bigfish [6k?\]: easy
]))
(;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[sb]CR[sb]C[

]))
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[

Fujkenasai [22k?\]: sorry used to it
]))
(;W[aj]CR[aj]C[

suducodu [?\]: INteresting comparison...
kolben [?\]: its also like listen to good music:-)
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Fujkenasai [22k?\]: wtf
]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[mswue [?\]: wtf?
Scribe [-\]: after a10 no longer an exchange anymore
Jadeite [?\]: mind your language 
Scribe [-\]: the white stones at the top are too large
]))
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[

]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[

]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[aj]CR[aj]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[Scribe [-\]: much better for black and any other variation, ko very heavy for white
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
])
(;W[mb]CR[mb]LB[ib:B][mc:A]C[Chang Hao found a nice move

Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 明白
murky: Ying's Cup winner
adHominem [21k?\]: don t mind winning the lg cup for the wrong reasons ^^
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[

Kacpergo [16k\]: it came to my mind here :)
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[od]CR[od]C[

]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ja]CR[ja]
;W[ia]CR[ia]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[

seera: kacpergo: probably right answer for the wrong reasons :p
]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[jc]CR[jc])
(;B[od]CR[od]C[Possible b has to play p16, this could be better for white than in the game

])))
(;B[ob]CR[ob]C[

]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[

]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nf]CR[nf]C[Scribe [-\]: white has too many local ko threats
Scribe [-\]: black cant win
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[

]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[

]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[

]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: double ko
oeillet [8k\]: :)
TonyTiger [5k?\]: :)
]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[kolben [?\]: nice
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: black cant win the double ko
xDarigaaz [11k\]: hehe
kalia [10k\]: on to infinity...
vuabocap [2k\]: cool :)
THRESHOLD [?\]: double ko?
Scribe [-\]: white lives as a result, not good result for black
])
(;B[od]CR[od]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: crossed eyed master tech :P
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]LB[pc:B][mf:A]C[Scribe [-\]: both n14 and q17 are local ko threats, still bad for black
MagnusM84 [5k\]: yes
TonyTiger [5k?\]: yeah
xDarigaaz [11k\]: yes
LordofGO [20k?\]: yes
SakuraHime [12k\]: yes
Javaness [5k\]: yes
mswue [?\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: \\
]))
(;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[aj]CR[aj]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: white may enlarge the ko
]
;W[bf]CR[bf]LB[jc:C][ld:A][ne:B]C[guojuan [5p\]: second chance for white to make the ko
guojuan [5p\]: exchange
guojuan [5p\]: but Lee still think this is not good enough
guojuan [5p\]: A B exchange makes black only can play at C
guojuan [5p\]: this is very nice
guojuan [5p\]: but we are not sure this exchange is really good forwhite
guojuan [5p\]: normally if we can make black finish the ko by playing at C
guojuan [5p\]: we should be very happy

]))
(;W[ib]CR[ib]C[guojuan [5p\]: at this moment white could choose ko

]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[aj]CR[aj]
;B[ld]CR[ld]C[guojuan [5p\]: exchange

]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[guojuan [5p\]: feels still good for b

]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is very bad if black takes the ko
guojuan [5p\]: gives white m16 more

]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]))
(;W[kc]CR[kc]))
(;W[le]CR[le]C[Scribe [-\]: p17 secure corner, take territory
Scribe [-\]: k18 helps black stronger via j17, now black solid shape
]
(;B[jf]CR[jf]C[

]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[Scribe [-\]: normal sequence
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[

Javaness [5k\]: settle black
]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[jh]CR[jh])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[jf]CR[jf])))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[jf]CR[jf]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[

]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[ng]CR[ng]LB[ic:A]C[

adHominem [21k?\]: kids are taking the world over! that s nature.
Scribe [-\]: black nearly gets easy life on both top and upper right
]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[

Scribe [-\]: white's problem is how to use the influence that has been built
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[

Scribe [-\]: \]white has nothing to attack in this position
Scribe [-\]: thickness must be used to attack
Scribe [-\]: but there is no target!
]))
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Scribe [-\]: perhaps not in any books yet
]
(;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
(;W[br]CR[br]
;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Javaness [5k\]: looks a little strange to atari underneath
]
;B[cs]CR[cs]LB[bn:B][ap:A][ep:C]C[Javaness [5k\]: laeave and rejoin the game to fix the audio
Scribe [-\]: white has sente atari at a4, after white b2
])
(;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[br]CR[br]C[suducodu [?\]: There'ssomething wrong w/theaudio
Hu [11k?\]: Always discuss any audio problems in the Ing's Goe Internet Class room and not here, please.
]))
(;W[bo]CR[bo]
(;B[cr]CR[cr]C[Fujkenasai [22k?\]: yes
THRESHOLD [?\]: hehe
]
(;W[er]CR[er])
(;W[eq]CR[eq]))
(;B[eq]CR[eq]C[

]
(;W[fp]CR[fp]C[

])
(;W[ep]CR[ep]C[

]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[

]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[gp]CR[gp]C[

])))))
(;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[cb]CR[cb]LB[di:A]C[Scribe [-\]: cutting point at d11 is problem for white
Scribe [-\]: both players are stubborn fighters
Scribe [-\]: very energentic
Javaness [5k\]: good
])
(;W[co]CR[co]LB[ch:A]C[

]))
(;B[cb]CR[cb]C[THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
]
;W[qj]CR[qj])
(;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]))
(;W[df]CR[df]LB[co:A]C[

Scribe [-\]: position good for white, if black plays d6 following c5
]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[

]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
(;W[co]CR[co]C[

]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[

Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 继续吧
Scribe [-\]: joseki
Scribe [-\]: white stones are all on the left and overconcentrated
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 听不到
]
;W[]C[Scribe [-\]: hane at c3 is severe mistake
]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[Scribe [-\]: white hane at c3
]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[do]CR[do])
(;W[cq]CR[cq]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: we dıo
Javaness [5k\]: we hear you
oeillet [8k\]: clear
swilks [7k\]: hear fine
Kerrick [15k?\]: sound is perfect
Seigen: sound is perfect
Zagga [10k\]: we hear you well
xDarigaaz [11k\]: sound ok
Kulai [7k\]: we hear
Hu [11k?\]: Sound is good.
zee [11k\]: we hear well
tibra [7k?\]: we hear you
agui [9k\]: I hear you
adHominem [21k?\]: we hear you perfectly
]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[neoRpgamer [5k\]: check yer client preference
]))
(;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[gp]CR[gp]))
(;W[co]CR[co]
(;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[

])
(;B[jq]CR[jq]C[

Javaness [5k\]: fast move
])))
(;W[co]CR[co]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[fp]CR[fp]C[Scribe [-\]: see variation at move 5
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[

]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[

Scribe [-\]: white c11 now under attack
adHominem [21k?\]: good luck scribe!
Necron [22k?\]: what happened?
Javaness [5k\]: it is iinteresting
blue88 [-\]: it's interesting
Jadeite [?\]: feeling of pro games :)
Scribe [-\]: these considerations are not critically important for kyu level players
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
DianChan [9k\]: is goujuan talking???
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
SakuraHime [12k\]: LOL LOL
Javaness [5k\]: i like the way they are flexible with the joseki
DianChan [9k\]: :)) interesting
oeillet [8k\]: lol
vuabocap [2k\]: :D
Scribe [-\]: not gou, rather guo....different names
]))
(;B[gc]CR[gc]C[

]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [-\]: previous game
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[

]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[

]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[fq]CR[fq]C[

Scribe [-\]: black live in upper left and good position on top
Scribe [-\]: Gu Li lost this game
])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[guojuan [5p\]: if first F15 then kakari
guojuan [5p\]: then white will pincer

]))
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[ci]CR[ci]LB[dg:A][dh:B]C[

]))