(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2005-10-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: 1st post
oeillet [8k\]: hello !
THRESHOLD [?\]: hui
guojuan [5p\]: hi
LordofGO [20k?\]: hi
SakuraHime [12k\]: hihi
THRESHOLD [?\]: hi
MarlotR: hi
neoRpgamer [5k\]: hi
Stalker [9k\]: hi
murky: Hello, MingJiu Laoshi
golawyer2 [11k\]: hi coach
LordofGO [20k?\]: music?
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
Badduck [5d\]: hello
murky: No sound yet
guojuan [5p\]: I don't hear him
agui [9k\]: Hello
guojuan [5p\]: no
THRESHOLD [?\]: no sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MarlotR: no sound
ticktock [15k\]: Hi.
vuabocap [2k\]: sound !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scribe [-\]: patience
petro [?\]: ouch
vuabocap [2k\]: hi
wholeboard [7k\]: hi
oeillet [8k\]: HI !
TonyTiger [5k?\]: of course
LordofGO [20k?\]: we r here too
binky [15k\]: now i hear
guojuan [5p\]: yes :)
Scribe [-\]: Yes
ticktock [15k\]: Sound good.
agui [9k\]: yes
yalcinkaya [17k\]: hello
rince [12k?\]: yes hi
MarlotR: YESS
neoRpgamer [5k\]: hear u well
Bodo212 [13k\]: yes  we hear
Codexus [13k?\]: hello
darkpengin [26k\]: loud & clear
xDarigaaz [11k\]: hi
SakuraHime [12k\]: lol
LordofGO [20k?\]: new homework?
SakuraHime [12k\]: nice :D
bigfish [6k?\]: you gave me homework
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
SakuraHime [12k\]: comments on :D
]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]C[binky [15k\]: good day mingjui
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 你好
LordofGO [20k?\]: energic voice
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: HOMEWORK first
])
(;W[pc]CR[pc]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: ^^
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: i go get a cup of water
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]C[bigfish [6k?\]: Hi mingju
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ac]CR[ac]C[agui [9k\]: Black T18
yalcinkaya [17k\]: q19?
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]LB[na:A][sb:B]C[bigfish [6k?\]: ko
bigfish [6k?\]: ko
bigfish [6k?\]: ko
THRESHOLD [?\]: ko
THRESHOLD [?\]: no
LordofGO [20k?\]: no
mjv [-\]: s19?
LordofGO [20k?\]: R15?
seera: ko
bigfish [6k?\]: q19
seera: Q19
fishspoon: q19
neoRpgamer [5k\]: sorry, b or w move?
THRESHOLD [?\]: black dead
yalcinkaya [17k\]: q19
seera: b Q19 w S18
bigfish [6k?\]: b
LordofGO [20k?\]: q15 or r 15..?
seera: ko
SakuraHime [12k\]: ko
agui [9k\]: alive
ticktock [15k\]: dead
FLgator [5k?\]: dead
bigfish [6k?\]: q19
Scribe [-\]: black must find a way to create eye in corner and at o19
petro [?\]: Q19
agui [9k\]: T18
SakuraHime [12k\]: t18
THRESHOLD [?\]: b
Jadeite [?\]: Q19 
bigfish [6k?\]: q19
yalcinkaya [17k\]: q19
]
(;B[ad]CR[ad])
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[neoRpgamer [5k\]: q19
]
;W[sb]CR[sb]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: dead
Scribe [-\]: promptly dies
LordofGO [20k?\]: so b t18?
])
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: hmm
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[bigfish [6k?\]: q19
SakuraHime [12k\]: b stil dies
Scribe [-\]: only one eye
])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[bigfish [6k?\]: t18'
neoRpgamer [5k\]: q19
Scribe [-\]: still only one eyte
bigfish [6k?\]: q19
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: Q19 
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Idn [5k?\]: Q19  for black
bigfish [6k?\]: q19
])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[bigfish [6k?\]: ko
TonyTiger [5k?\]: T18 is better than S18 and white should use N19 as a ko threat
agui [9k\]: nice
]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[Scribe [-\]: solution
]
;B[na]CR[na]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: T18
Scribe [-\]: white has two ways s18 and t18
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: white can not play q18
ljl [16k\]: T18 now?
]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: live
])
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: N19 is a mistake
SakuraHime [12k\]: T17
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rb]CR[rb]C[bigfish [6k?\]: s18 is better
])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[bigfish [6k?\]: s18 is better  for W
]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]))))
(;B[pp]CR[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: Amateur game
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: two 4 dan players
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: 4d is still strong for me :P
]
(;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Fujkenasai [22k?\]: same here
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: ohh
]
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[Zagga [10k\]: too small?
adHominem [21k?\]: too close
binky [15k\]: b is too concentrated
SakuraHime [12k\]: normal exchange
oeillet [8k\]: no the best
LordofGO [20k?\]: slow
neoRpgamer [5k\]: not nice for b
hameciatko [4k\]: solid
vuabocap [2k\]: k3
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[oeillet [8k\]: :)
Scribe [-\]: black should play k3 or k4 in place of m3.  m3 too slow
ticktock [15k\]: Nice tewari
Scribe [-\]: via tewari, now white plays o3 !
Scribe [-\]: o3!
Scribe [-\]: black got big corner AND semnte
]
;B[fq]CR[fq])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[seera: and what if white N3 later on?
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]C[oeillet [8k\]: o3 m3 exchange good for black
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[trytry: s4 no good?
Kerrick [15k?\]: 3-3
]
;B[np]CR[np]C[Scribe [-\]: white has two ways n4 or r3
SakuraHime [12k\]: 3-3
]
(;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[Idn [5k?\]: joseki ?
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[qp]CR[qp])
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
(;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[pr]CR[pr])
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[nr]CR[nr]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: S4 
ljl [16k\]: first one
LordofGO [20k?\]: m2
binky [15k\]: s3
bigfish [6k?\]: m5
kolben [?\]: q7?
Florian [6k\]: r10
Idn [5k?\]: Q9 
oeillet [8k\]: q8
au2 [3k\]: M5
LordofGO [20k?\]: r8 pincher also
ljl [16k\]: first joseki looked better to me
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: so r8 slow?
])
(;B[rp]CR[rp]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: w can live inside
]
(;W[rq]CR[rq]C[Scribe [-\]: black has two ways, q3 or r4 after white r3
bigfish [6k?\]: m5
])
(;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: black s4 is not sente
]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: w lives
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: b useless wall
]
;W[kr]CR[kr]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: what about M4 instead of N4?
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: w good
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]))
(;B[qk]CR[qk])
(;B[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: black must attack white r6
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: R9 w
])))
(;W[rp]CR[rp]C[oeillet [8k\]: bad !
aditsu [10k?\]: boooo
binky [15k\]: good
bigfish [6k?\]: ok
SakuraHime [12k\]: good
xDarigaaz [11k\]: interesting
ticktock [15k\]: No
kolben [?\]: big corner for b
LordofGO [20k?\]: b r3?
Badduck [5d\]: interesting
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: me blur lar
Scribe [-\]: white s4 not joseki
bigfish [6k?\]: no
xDarigaaz [11k\]: hmm no
Zagga [10k\]: have i seen? i've played it!
ljl [16k\]: thoe one from the game!
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[vuabocap [2k\]: not joseki?
adHominem [21k?\]: ok, thank you
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]C[adHominem [21k?\]: can black r8 instead?
oeillet [8k\]: o3 misplaced :)
Florian [6k\]: o4 bad aji
vuabocap [2k\]: r8 is better
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: whats san-san?
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: black played n3 in game, SLOW move
Scribe [-\]: black should play f3
bigfish [6k?\]: c10
]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: black very strong on bottom, white cant play f3
Scribe [-\]: black very strong on bottom, white cant play g3
]
(;W[gq]CR[gq]C[Scribe [-\]: g3
Zagga [10k\]: why not c6 direction
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: greedy
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[co]CR[co]
(;B[bo]CR[bo]C[aditsu [10k?\]: I wouldn't play c2
anisan [8k\]: if white F3 whats is the  good move for black 
]
(;W[cr]CR[cr]C[THRESHOLD [?\]: game over for w
]
;B[br]CR[br]C[adHominem [21k?\]: ok, so it was thr correct direction but wrong spot. thx scribe
]
(;W[dr]CR[dr]C[Th4n4t0s [5k\]: maybe 5
]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[bm]CR[bm]C[aditsu [10k?\]: why c2?
THRESHOLD [?\]: bad for w
oeillet [8k\]: bad result for white
bigfish [6k?\]: bad
xDarigaaz [11k\]: bad for white
Florian [6k\]: good for b
au2 [3k\]: good for b
LordofGO [20k?\]: w nice
ljl [16k\]: I like black
GoteDude [3k?\]: g3 misplaced
Th4n4t0s [5k\]: white wall useless
binky [15k\]: good for B
Scribe [-\]: black b7 wonderful way to fix weakness in corner
Badduck [5d\]: w bad
Florian [6k\]: korigatachi for w
murky: G3 is strangely placed
oeillet [8k\]: black got the corner too easily
Scribe [-\]: white played 7 stones and got few points
bigfish [6k?\]: why did wite play d2
aditsu [10k?\]: oh well, he just ignores the questions
Scribe [-\]: white Q14 give up points on right side
Zagga [10k\]: o17
Badduck [5d\]: o18?
oeillet [8k\]: o17
]
(;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Badduck [5d\]: mhh
Badduck [5d\]: no
Zagga [10k\]: white wants territory in the center?
THRESHOLD [?\]: ytes
xDarigaaz [11k\]: heh no
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[mc]CR[mc]TR[pf][pg][ph][ci][cn][np]C[bigfish [6k?\]: no
LordofGO [20k?\]: w p16?
Scribe [-\]: white Q14 move hard to understand its purpose
Jadeite [?\]: not easy
xDarigaaz [11k\]: no center :)
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
][bigfish [6k?\]: no
LordofGO [20k?\]: w p16?
Scribe [-\]: white Q14 move hard to understand its purpose
Jadeite [?\]: not easy
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Badduck [5d\]: 17..
bigfish [6k?\]: 017
TonyTiger [5k?\]: 017
Scribe [-\]: White should have played o17
LordofGO [20k?\]: yay!
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes!
Scribe [-\]: area in front of shimari valuable
]))
(;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: thnx teacher
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[ap]CR[ap]
;W[dn]CR[dn]LB[mc:D][qi:C][cl:B][iq:A]TR[cf][ci][bn][rp][dq][lq][mq]C[Jadeite [?\]: it's W's choice
Scribe [-\]: black smaller than in game, still good for black
Scribe [-\]: with strong black position on bottom right, white cant develop in either direction
SakuraHime [12k\]: nop
oeillet [8k\]: its clear
LordofGO [20k?\]: what b move now?
bigfish [6k?\]: no
mswue [?\]: no
aditsu [10k?\]: what about c6 instead of double hane?
bigfish [6k?\]: it is bad
anisan [8k\]: what is the good  move for black  if white f3
LordofGO [20k?\]: whats ur s?
adHominem [21k?\]: D
Kulai [7k\]: d
braincrash [?\]: d
binky [15k\]: C
LordofGO [20k?\]: pro choice?
ljl [16k\]: D or C
bigfish [6k?\]: d
THRESHOLD [?\]: d\\
oeillet [8k\]: d
zee [11k\]: B is best
vuabocap [2k\]: C
bigfish [6k?\]: d is best
Scribe [-\]: White S4 is not joseki
kall [7k\]: i dont know
kall [7k\]: but i like c
Scribe [-\]: White S4 wrong move
Scribe [-\]: Black N3 slow move
adHominem [21k?\]: where should W play instead of the bottom side G3? on the left side? what was the right direction?
Scribe [-\]: White must double hane in lower left
Kerrick [15k?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: White should have played F3 in place of G#
LordofGO [20k?\]: nope
Scribe [-\]: G3
Jadeite [?\]: no Q's
binky [15k\]: no
au2 [3k\]: can w O3 get away if b does not N3?
aditsu [10k?\]: c6 instead of double hane - why is it bad?
]))
(;W[bn]CR[bn]C[Scribe [-\]: but gote for black
]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[do]CR[do]
(;B[bm]CR[bm]C[xDarigaaz [11k\]: yes take corner
seera: not important?
SakuraHime [12k\]: i mean b protects at B4
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]C[Scribe [-\]: white should double hane
Scribe [-\]: again 7 stones, but much bigger for whtie
]
;B[an]CR[an]C[Scribe [-\]: take corner
seera: but this ends in gote, the other in sente
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]C[THRESHOLD [?\]: much better
SakuraHime [12k\]: wat if w protects at B4??
])
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[dr]CR[dr]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder does not matter
]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[dj]CR[dj]))
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: die
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[Scribe [-\]: black lives in corner
murky: W sente
Scribe [-\]: hard for white to develop
])))
(;B[cr]CR[cr]))
(;W[fq]CR[fq]TR[lq]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: F3 secures the corner
braincrash [?\]: 2 points
LordofGO [20k?\]: f3 safety
bigfish [6k?\]: far
oeillet [8k\]: side is dame
Badduck [5d\]: f3 away from thickness
SakuraHime [12k\]: G3 is for outside influence
xDarigaaz [11k\]: i like f3 im covard :)
LordofGO [20k?\]: c3 is important 4-4
au2 [3k\]: if w g3 corner is open
oeillet [8k\]: corner is important
bigfish [6k?\]: white is better
Scribe [-\]: what is difference between white f3 and white g3 ?
Scribe [-\]: here f3 is better
Scribe [-\]: bottom is not a big area
]
;B[hq]CR[hq]))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[SakuraHime [12k\]: r8 too near
ticktock [15k\]: Better to just take san-san.
]
;W[qq]CR[qq]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: Q3 w
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[vuabocap [2k\]: q6
vuabocap [2k\]: b q6
SakuraHime [12k\]: R10
]
(;W[pn]CR[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: white must not jump
Scribe [-\]: see variation
ljl [16k\]: no
aditsu [10k?\]: good for B
LordofGO [20k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: not a good result for black
SakuraHime [12k\]: w can att at R10
Scribe [-\]: white still has aji
])
(;W[on]CR[on]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[zee [11k\]: bad shape for W
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[adHominem [21k?\]: s6 nice tesuji!
]
;B[rn]CR[rn])))))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: even i am 32 i do my homework for sure lol
Scribe [-\]: new HOMEWORK
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[monchacha [12k\]: i thought you going to say let me give you a kiss
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[TonyTiger [5k?\]: is this a new joseki?
]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [-\]: Get this book: http://senseis.xmp.net/?QiJingZhongMiao do four problems everyday
]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [-\]: Alternatively, use this book:
Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GuanziPu
xtr [?\]: thanks scribe for the link
]
(;B[rr]CR[rr]
(;W[qq]CR[qq])
(;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[LordofGO [20k?\]: O19 good move for black!
]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[ns]CR[ns]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[murky: awesome
]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[af]CR[af]C[lazy [?\]: bulky 7 or something? :)
murky: two problems
]
;W[mr]CR[mr]LB[oe:A]TR[nd]C[vuabocap [2k\]: w play?
monchacha [12k\]: corner alive
bigfish [6k?\]: t2
LordofGO [20k?\]: T corner is important
monchacha [12k\]: top die
murky: What's the difference
Scribe [-\]: WHITE TO PLAY
bigfish [6k?\]: atop dead
bigfish [6k?\]: bottom ko
murky: Three problem
murky: third is to remove the marked stone
murky: put to A
THRESHOLD [?\]: ok
murky: Move marked stone to A
LordofGO [20k?\]: at top O16 b..???
bigfish [6k?\]: no
SakuraHime [12k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [11k\]: yes
agui [9k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: EXTRA CREDIT: move o16 stone to p15 and repeat problem
binky [15k\]: yes
Tarkam [?\]: yes
tibra [7k?\]: yes
lazy [?\]: bigfidh not dead yet, white has to add a move
Tarkam [?\]: thanks : )
xDarigaaz [11k\]: its clear
SakuraHime [12k\]: yes
LordofGO [20k?\]: yes
THRESHOLD [?\]: yes
agui [9k\]: yes
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
LordofGO [20k?\]: at top b first move O19?
plonk [19k\]: thx, bye!
binky [15k\]: bye
tibra [7k?\]: thank you
xDarigaaz [11k\]: Thank you very much
THRESHOLD [?\]: thx
Badduck [5d\]: thx :-)
agui [9k\]: Thank you very much
SakuraHime [12k\]: tq for teaching
ljl [16k\]: thx
Fujkenasai [22k?\]: 谢谢
murky: thank you LaoShi
wholeboard [7k\]: thank you
bigfish [6k?\]: why are you talking to me
lazy [?\]: buttom alive can't kill :)
guojuan [5p\]: see you next week
Thedome [16k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
golawyer2 [11k\]: thc coach
erestor [7k?\]: thanks!
yanhai [6d\]: thx
bigfish [6k?\]: thanks
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