(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-01-08]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[freeks [13k\]: hi mingjiu lao shi :)
freeks [13k\]: nice to see you
sarutobi [20k\]: hi everybody
Spectrums [30k?\]: hello!
mingjiu [7p\]: hi
coronalis [18k\]: hello
SitaRam [5k\]: hallo mingjiu
cam [18k\]: hi
oeillet [9k?\]: test me ??
kjp [7k\]: how to say a moyo is bigger ? how to count moyo?
vogelfrei [14k\]: cant grwip
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[guojuan [5p\]: :-)
huxley [15k\]: is it with voice?
]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[smudge [?\]: hello (any sound?)
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[freeks [13k\]: hey guojuan ^^
guojuan [5p\]: no sound
]
;B[od]CR[od]C[suducodu [?\]: Where's da audio?
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[freeks [13k\]: lao shi 
]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[coronalis [18k\]: ahhh
guojuan [5p\]: now I hear 
SitaRam [5k\]: nice
guojuan [5p\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: yes
ab69f [?\]: Yep
smudge [?\]: sound is better now :)
huxley [15k\]: yes cleary
cam [18k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Laoshi !
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[murky: Hi, the sound is good
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[ne]CR[ne]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[bb]CR[bb]C[freeks [13k\]: simply dead
freeks [13k\]: :)
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Dakre [2k?\]: p19 and black lives?
Plunder [13k\]: Yu can use the edit tool instead of the move tool (left top) then you don't have to set everyting up with moves
Spectrums [30k?\]: good morning
vogelfrei [14k\]: yes
cam [18k\]: yes
Dakre [2k?\]: hello :) yes, sound is good
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
grwip [16k\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
Spectrums [30k?\]: yes :)
Hu [12k?\]: Can hear you ok..
freeks [13k\]: mingjiu lao shi we can clearly hear you :))
Ordiac [8k\]: a bit soft , can turn up volume?
SitaRam [5k\]: p19 is the solution
freeks [13k\]: black to live?
Dakre [2k?\]: yes :>
vogelfrei [14k\]: first time here ;)
freeks [13k\]: I wasn't here
Spectrums [30k?\]: P19
freeks [13k\]: too bad
freeks [13k\]: hehe
freeks [13k\]: ok
SitaRam [5k\]: p19
tigrenok [14k\]: not everyone has audio:(
outcast [4k\]: N17
SitaRam [5k\]: p19
freeks [13k\]: p19
Hu [12k?\]: Scribe will make notes.
Hu [12k?\]: (for people with no audio)
freeks [13k\]: heheh 
SitaRam [5k\]: b lives with p19
freeks [13k\]: yeah
freeks [13k\]: black alive 
Ordiac [8k\]: well im dead
SitaRam [5k\]: no
vogelfrei [14k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: no
cam [18k\]: no
Spectrums [30k?\]: no
Uvas [-\]: ?
kjp [7k\]: large sacrifice?
freeks [13k\]: wow
Ordiac [8k\]: the great firewall ?
freeks [13k\]: too bad 
Uvas [-\]: oh ok
guojuan [5p\]: :)
freeks [13k\]: the power of lightnings
vogelfrei [14k\]: not unsuual in the states ;)
freeks [13k\]: will be good to have solar technique
]
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: black n17 fails
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[na]CR[na]C[freeks [13k\]: alive :)
]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Scribe [-\]: no way black can make two eyes with n17 first
freeks [13k\]: n17
freeks [13k\]: ?
]
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[Scribe [-\]: examining p19
freeks [13k\]: hahaha yeah
])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[na]CR[na])
(;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[freeks [13k\]: after that black has a problem :)
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[na]CR[na]C[Kamiah [?\]: o19
])
(;B[na]CR[na]C[SitaRam [5k\]: yup
Scribe [-\]: black o19 is critical
freeks [13k\]: soft homework
freeks [13k\]: sacrificing :)
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[freeks [13k\]: yeah
])
(;W[lb]CR[lb]C[freeks [13k\]: quickly problems r cool :)
]
;B[nc]CR[nc])))
(;W[ka]CR[ka]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
(;B[lb]CR[lb]C[outcast [4k\]: M18 good move
])
(;B[la]CR[la]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ja]CR[ja]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[outcast [4k\]: ko
])))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[Spectrums [30k?\]: white can just play m18 and and blocks, right/
outcast [4k\]: M19
freeks [13k\]: hello
freeks [13k\]: :)
sarutobi [20k\]: p19
cam [18k\]: hello
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[na]CR[na]C[cam [18k\]: :)
])
(;B[na]CR[na]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[tigrenok [14k\]: while we are waiting for the scribe... can anyone please, explain what's happening?
]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[oa]CR[oa])
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[outcast [4k\]: so N17 correct?
]))))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[freeks [13k\]: test US
]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
(;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Ordiac [8k\]: nice opening
tigrenok [14k\]: would be good to have some explanations
Scribe [-\]: Game Review
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
AprilSnow [?\]: amature game?
Quinn [11k?\]: yes
vogelfrei [14k\]: not before
imbad [13k\]: yes
oeillet [9k?\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: c10 is unusual
Ordiac [8k\]: lol play it all the time
Spectrums [30k?\]: yes
Omatic [7k?\]: sanrensei?
Horc [4k\]: sure
ligo [?\]: sure
coronalis [18k\]: yes
Nexo [2k\]: yes very often
smudge [?\]: looks wrong
freeks [13k\]: have already played this I guess :)
tigrenok [14k\]: like why people say yes or no
Scribe [-\]: Sanrensei calls for d10
Omatic [7k?\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: c10 popular perhaps 40 years ago
kjp [7k\]: more influenc
Ordiac [8k\]: masaki style
]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[oeillet [9k?\]: q3
freeks [13k\]: is joseki chinese word?
GeorgeW [11k\]: Q3
xDarigaaz [9k\]: q3
SitaRam [5k\]: q3
zazizuzou [6k\]: Q3 
Scribe [-\]: first question:  where should white block
Scribe [-\]: white must q3.   r4 is a mistake by white.  two whites stones on bottom inefficient
]
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[cam [18k\]: q3
totylkoja [?\]: q3
imbad [13k\]: q3
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[zazizuzou [6k\]: what about white O15 
playm8 [4k?\]: someone's saying test 1 2 3
]
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[oeillet [9k?\]: no
SitaRam [5k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: too defensive
Quinn [11k?\]: timid
freeks [13k\]: ?
agui [7k?\]: no too slow
Nexo [2k\]: no to slow
imbad [13k\]: to soft
Horc [4k\]: same problem
Ordiac [8k\]: sorry but i do
]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[freeks [13k\]: little lag
playgo [6k\]: b has moyo plus corner
Horc [4k\]: big moyo
Scribe [-\]: Black double wing
ReadOnly [9k\]: w need to invade
Ordiac [8k\]: c8
Scribe [-\]: WHat should white do now ?
imbad [13k\]: b moyo
Horc [4k\]: resign :D
Uvas [-\]: f17?
sarutobi [20k\]: g16
olczyk [15k\]: No.
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[zazizuzou [6k\]: E10 ? D11 ?
outcast [4k\]: R14 bad move
petro [?\]: inconsistent
Scribe [-\]: easy invasion for white
Ordiac [8k\]: really ?
ReadOnly [9k\]: d18  :)
imbad [13k\]: 3-3 still open
Horc [4k\]: this strengthen black doesn't it ?
ljl [14k\]: but black gets big influence even with 3x3?
imbad [13k\]: but w has to reduce upper left
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[outcast [4k\]: F17 oso interesting :)
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[be]CR[be]
(;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Ordiac [8k\]: but m17 and h3 miai ?
]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[murky: blind spot for lowly amatures
]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]LB[lc:A][ie:C][jf:E][ej:D][jj:B][dm:G][fn:F][dr:H]TR[jd][kd][cj]C[Quinn [11k?\]: c10 looks kinda wasted
sarutobi [20k\]: invasion san-san
partisan [19k\]: yes
Ordiac [8k\]: id really like this for b
agui [7k?\]: no
Nexo [2k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: thats joseki 
GeorgeW [11k\]: No
outcast [4k\]: good for b
silvermoon [10k\]: overconcentrated
Scribe [-\]: black infuence facing strong white stones
freeks [13k\]: yes
sarutobi [20k\]: yes for black is good
Quinn [11k?\]: good for w
freeks [13k\]: I like
ReadOnly [9k\]: not good
Nexo [2k\]: m17 is open
Horc [4k\]: this stone are there for nothing
Inkognito [4k?\]: B is good
ljl [14k\]: black looks bigger to me
freeks [13k\]: ah
Scribe [-\]: better to have k16 at L16
freeks [13k\]: ok so not good?
Scribe [-\]: k16 too close to black strength
SitaRam [5k\]: also
Uvas [-\]: too close too
Horc [4k\]: c10 is fine
Quinn [11k?\]: useless
SitaRam [5k\]: too close
Ordiac [8k\]: sure bot stones sux
Uvas [-\]: too close too
Omatic [7k?\]: should beC8 
partisan [19k\]: schoulxd be d10?
outcast [4k\]: b slightly inferior, but playable i think
Scribe [-\]: just as c10 is too close, better c10 at c9
oeillet [9k?\]: white has m17
Inkognito [4k?\]: B is good
Horc [4k\]: not letting b12 go anywhere
coronalis [18k\]: but if black have play K17 about K16 ?
Ordiac [8k\]: why not b14 variation ?
Ordiac [8k\]: the double hane one
Quinn [11k?\]: q18
vince [7k\]: f10
Scribe [-\]: Question: Where should White play now ?
Nexo [2k\]: m17
Omatic [7k?\]: tengen
agui [7k?\]: M17
grwip [16k\]: m16
FLgator [8k?\]: k10
play4fun [?\]: j15
neechay [6k\]: e10?
Horc [4k\]: tengen would be great for b ^^
xDarigaaz [9k\]: E10
Quinn [11k?\]: white q18?
Inkognito [4k?\]: Goold for B
olczyk [15k\]: f6
yfh2 [8k?\]: O15
Chiodus [19k\]: O15 
yfh2 [8k?\]: moyo frontier
vince [7k\]: e10 
murky: k14
Quinn [11k?\]: q18 to threaten
olczyk [15k\]: f6
Ordiac [8k\]: o15 as w
petro [?\]: F5
SitaRam [5k\]: d7
Horc [4k\]: E10 
xix [?\]: q18
Horc [4k\]: c3
bitti [3d\]: f5?
Batavia [11k\]: i like F5
sarutobi [20k\]: c3
zazizuzou [6k\]: E
Ordiac [8k\]: or just q2
coronalis [18k\]: and D2 ?
Horc [4k\]: all wrong :D
Quinn [11k?\]: still id play q18 :)
Ordiac [8k\]: q2 sente
Plunder [13k\]: in my game.... C8 :P
playm8 [4k?\]: so we're playing ourselves?
agui [7k?\]: A
ReadOnly [9k\]: C
sarutobi [20k\]: c3 or c5
Uvas [-\]: who's turn?
xix [?\]: q18
ligo [?\]: o15
agui [7k?\]: white
SitaRam [5k\]: c3
playm8 [4k?\]: Q18?
wingnut [-\]: C8 
ljl [14k\]: n15
nigulh [17k\]: lag
zazizuzou [6k\]: white invaded too deep
Horc [4k\]: tengen 
Hu [12k?\]: C10 has already been discussed, darkermage.
zazizuzou [6k\]: attach to K16  then
Inkognito [4k?\]: moyo vs. moyo
Horc [4k\]: i don't like moyo games :P
kjp [7k\]: how to say my moyo is bigger
Plunder [13k\]: moyo is overrated
freeks [13k\]: hm
freeks [13k\]: is F good or not?
]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Plunder [13k\]: aren't corners miai?
Inkognito [4k?\]: f is good
]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[Horc [4k\]: tengen giant
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Horc [4k\]: ouch
Scribe [-\]: First suggested white alternative play 
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[kjp [7k\]: too small
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[oeillet [9k?\]: yes
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[Ordiac [8k\]: b get too big centre
])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[zazizuzou [6k\]: baad
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[id]CR[id]C[SitaRam [5k\]: bad for w
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[wingnut [-\]: difficult to live
]
;B[go]CR[go]C[Inkognito [4k?\]: This good for B
Ordiac [8k\]: aybe too thin
Horc [4k\]: yrchs
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[Scribe [-\]: white ends with gote
]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[jl]CR[jl]C[Uvas [-\]: yikes
Horc [4k\]: oha
Scribe [-\]: black grows and creates moyo
coronalis [18k\]: black take many point  here :)
agui [7k?\]: :))
wingnut [-\]: eeek
kjp [7k\]: no
]))
(;W[ie]CR[ie]C[darkermage: wtf
agui [7k?\]: j16
SitaRam [5k\]: no
]
;B[je]CR[je]C[freeks [13k\]: lol
]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[Scribe [-\]: another alternative white move
Quinn [11k?\]: would never come to my mind
freeks [13k\]: good for me :)
]
;W[ih]CR[ih]C[Horc [4k\]: b will gain from that weak group
]
;B[id]CR[id]C[Scribe [-\]: mutual moyo destruction
Horc [4k\]: losing own moyo and fighting for live
SitaRam [5k\]: good for b
agui [7k?\]: not good to white
SitaRam [5k\]: no
grwip [16k\]: no
ljl [14k\]: good for black
freeks [13k\]: bad for white
Scribe [-\]: white stones are weak
cam [18k\]: no
])
(;W[ej]CR[ej]C[oeillet [9k?\]: too close from the wall
Inkognito [4k?\]: G10
agui [7k?\]: e11
]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[ljl [14k\]: stone looks lonely
sarutobi [20k\]: white should resign
]
;B[gk]CR[gk]C[Horc [4k\]: oh noo
Scribe [-\]: again white suffers
Horc [4k\]: bad for white
kjp [7k\]: wasted move
SitaRam [5k\]: hard time for w
])
(;W[dm]CR[dm]
(;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[em]CR[em]C[Horc [4k\]: ladder doesn't work
SitaRam [5k\]: ah
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[el]CR[el]C[Horc [4k\]: who won btw ?
]))
(;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[go]CR[go]C[Scribe [-\]: lots of cutting points remain
]
;B[gn]CR[gn]C[agui [7k?\]: no
SitaRam [5k\]: no
Horc [4k\]: horrible move
vogelfrei [14k\]: no
kjp [7k\]: no
kjp [7k\]: cut off
partisan [19k\]: no no no
playgo [6k\]: yes
ljl [14k\]: better than D
truesaint [10k\]: not bad...
])
(;W[dr]CR[dr]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[Horc [4k\]: firm
])
(;B[go]CR[go]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[in]CR[in]C[Scribe [-\]: d2 is too slow
partisan [19k\]: hm
Horc [4k\]: oh god
]))
(;W[jf]CR[jf]C[playm8 [4k?\]: there has to be a good move for white
sebbie [4k\]: f5 first?:)
Horc [4k\]: hmm not bad
Horc [4k\]: bbbbbbb
]
;B[ne]CR[ne])
(;W[jj]CR[jj]C[imbad [13k\]: k14
SitaRam [5k\]: tengen
Scribe [-\]: k15 and k10 are more interesting
truesaint [10k\]: ...
partisan [19k\]: k14
FLgator [8k?\]: k10
Horc [4k\]: k14 first then tengen
agui [7k?\]: k14
Quinn [11k?\]: k10 build and decreases at same time
vogelfrei [14k\]: hihi
Ordiac [8k\]: lol
truesaint [10k\]: lol
agui [7k?\]: :)
Scribe [-\]: both k14 and k10 are wrong
murky: :)
darkermage: b's position is terrible
yfh2 [8k?\]: O15 ...
cam [18k\]: XD
Horc [4k\]: f5 best move ?
Scribe [-\]: when your moyo is bigger than the opponents, grow your moyo first !
]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[partisan [19k\]: both what?
]
;B[in]CR[in]C[darkermage: what is c10 doing so close 
darkermage: ?
darkermage: terrible
Inkognito [4k?\]: moyo vs. moyo
oeillet [9k?\]: l6
])
(;W[gn]CR[gn]C[playgo [6k\]: C10 was part of sanrensei
Quinn [11k?\]: oO
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu likes g6
Scribe [-\]: reduces black
SitaRam [5k\]: border of two moyos
play4fun [?\]: looks good
agui [7k?\]: moyo batle
murky: looks very good now
Horc [4k\]: Horc likes G6 too :D
olczyk [15k\]: Globally same idea as F6 but locally better.
Scribe [-\]: farther from d4 and d6 stones, so stronger stone
Scribe [-\]: grows white moyo
Scribe [-\]: reduces black moyo
wingnut [-\]: big difference between G6 and F6 ?
Ordiac [8k\]: just g5 ?
truesaint [10k\]: so black will take N14 later ? 
olczyk [15k\]: B F7?
]
;B[gl]CR[gl]C[Scribe [-\]: white f5 is too slow
]
;W[fm]CR[fm])
(;W[fo]CR[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: f6 can be cut off, can g6 be cut off by black ?
]
;B[fm]CR[fm]))
(;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[fb]CR[fb]C[SitaRam [5k\]: yes
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[hd]CR[hd]C[Horc [4k\]: b very weak on the top
Scribe [-\]: one white response to double hane
darkermage: b is good
Scribe [-\]: joseki
darkermage: better than game
sarutobi [20k\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: no
agui [7k?\]: no
ligo [?\]: no
Quinn [11k?\]: no
zazizuzou [6k\]: b's @all is inneficient
darkermage: hell yeah
zazizuzou [6k\]: wall
sarutobi [20k\]: for white
ljl [14k\]: looks more balanced
]))
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]C[Quinn [11k?\]: c10 too low
sarutobi [20k\]: its same
]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]TR[jd][kd][cj][dk]C[ab69f [?\]: yup
imbad [13k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes we can har
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: hear
freeks [13k\]: yes
cam [18k\]: yes 
freeks [13k\]: but a little lag
Horc [4k\]: ahhh to deep
Hu [12k?\]: Yes, can hear.
kjp [7k\]: good sound
Quinn [11k?\]: c10 too low for that
oeillet [9k?\]: worse thnan other side
ligo [?\]: better
SitaRam [5k\]: better
Horc [4k\]: d10 better
agui [7k?\]: also inneficient
coronalis [18k\]: I think is better here
petro [?\]: C10 is too low
Nexo [2k\]: black has one side
ljl [14k\]: o17 looks week to me
freeks [13k\]: looks better
Quinn [11k?\]: even worse
Scribe [-\]: again the black "moyo" is open to white and the two stones are too close to black's strong upper left
]))
(;B[rl]CR[rl]C[oeillet [9k?\]: slack
ljl [14k\]: no black frame work is too big
playm8 [4k?\]: i hear another voice
outcast [4k\]: too small, w can tenuki
Scribe [-\]: White r14 is a standard response, but not good here, black can play s8
Scribe [-\]: the right side is not interesting
])
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[playgo [6k\]: F16 
Ordiac [8k\]: it makes b strong
oeillet [9k?\]: F17 better than 
oeillet [9k?\]: ok :)
])
(;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Scribe [-\]: better shape for black
grwip [16k\]: how black defend san-san invasion here?
]))
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[petro [?\]: there
oeillet [9k?\]: yes, m17
SitaRam [5k\]: m17
Stormlord [30k?\]: the last one
Scribe [-\]: Second Question: how should white respond to o17
cam [18k\]: there
Quinn [11k?\]: pincer
Ordiac [8k\]: id like r14 more
oeillet [9k?\]: upper side is bigger than right side
agui [7k?\]: M17
Horc [4k\]: top is more intresting because of S6
playgo [6k\]: O15 
Nexo [2k\]: wall and sente is better than open moyo 
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[od]CR[od]C[zazizuzou [6k\]: he has"n't them yet
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[me]CR[me]C[Uvas [-\]: nice
SitaRam [5k\]: too open
freeks [13k\]: hm 
agui [7k?\]: no
SitaRam [5k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: not good
Horc [4k\]: d6
]
(;B[qj]CR[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: White's moyo here is too open
Horc [4k\]: s6 disturbing
niklaus [6k\]: putting all eggs into one basket
Scribe [-\]: black can invade easy at r10
outcast [4k\]: Q17 still better...
Scribe [-\]: threaten to connect at s8
Quinn [11k?\]: ippoji
])
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[wysek [9k?\]: but black has 2 corners...
]))
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[qf]CR[qf]C[zazizuzou [6k\]: good for b
oeillet [9k?\]: both
Uvas [-\]: firast
kjp [7k\]: first
agui [7k?\]: this one
cam [18k\]: the first one
Uvas [-\]: first
Ordiac [8k\]: b does not need r17 right away ?
Plunder [13k\]: will play b R17? look s 2 good for white
vogelfrei [14k\]: the first
SitaRam [5k\]: this
playm8 [4k?\]: i like previous one for white
ligo [?\]: 1
freeks [13k\]: rist
bitti [3d\]: q17
freeks [13k\]: first
Omatic [7k?\]: the other
SitaRam [5k\]: the last
Quinn [11k?\]: the latter
Scribe [-\]: white has sente
kjp [7k\]: number 1
zazizuzou [6k\]: the first one worrks better with the moyo
Nexo [2k\]: second
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: much better
Horc [4k\]: good
Quinn [11k?\]: better for the balance of power
agui [7k?\]: yes
Ordiac [8k\]: "black has 4 corners so can resign"
])))
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[nq]CR[nq]TR[jp][fq]C[Hu [12k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki
]))
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[ligo [?\]: "low sanernsei "
]))
(;B[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: New Homework !
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[grwip [16k\]: ok
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Scribe [-\]: black to play
vogelfrei [14k\]: and kill?
freeks [13k\]: try to kill
partisan [19k\]: thx!
imbad [13k\]: thank you
SitaRam [5k\]: thx
grwip [16k\]: thanks
Ciovo [9k\]: thanks
freeks [13k\]: thx mingjiu
vogelfrei [14k\]: thx
sarutobi [20k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
cam [18k\]: thanks to you
zazizuzou [6k\]: thank's a lot
agui [7k?\]: thank you very much !!
kjp [7k\]: thx
xDarigaaz [9k\]: thank you
murky: thank you very much
Omatic [7k?\]: thank you very much
au2 [4k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to Ing Goe Foundation
coronalis [18k\]: thanks
issiel [19k\]: thnaks
Plunder [13k\]: tnx =)
kilroy [6k\]: thanks you
suducodu [?\]: thanx for da lesson!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;o
Titonio [-\]: thx
grwip [16k\]: see you
SAD21 [12k\]: thank you
bilgesu [18k?\]: thx
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
erestor [5k?\]: thanks
Uvas [-\]: bye
olczyk [15k\]: Thank you
agui [7k?\]: see you
freeks [13k\]: thanks to ing goe foundation yeah
cam [18k\]: see you :)
SoulShard [?\]: thanks.
Horc [4k\]: thx
suducodu [?\]: BYE 
vince [7k\]: thank you
freeks [13k\]: bye
sarutobi [20k\]: c you
wingnut [-\]: thanks Mingjiu and Mr Ing
Inkognito [4k?\]: bye
sarutobi [20k\]: bye
guojuan [5p\]: I will continue now
Ordiac [8k\]: thx
]))