(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-01-22]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Ciovo [9k\]: hi
davidwatt [7k\]: hello
Uvas [-\]: hi
freeks [13k\]: hey mingjiu :D
bigfish [6k?\]: hello
olczyk [15k\]: Hello
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
freeks [13k\]: yeah
losted [10k\]: yes
davidwatt [7k\]: yes:)
Ciovo [9k\]: thanks for coming :)
xDarigaaz [9k\]: Hi
swilks [7k\]: yes
Stalker [8k\]: hi
bigfish [6k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: we can hear you
Uvas [-\]: yes
yfh2 [8k?\]: yes, sound ok
murky: Much better
cdub [?\]: hi
xDarigaaz [9k\]: sound ok
Scribe [-\]: California closer to Internet than China
freeks [13k\]: nice to watch your lessons
Bodo212 [15k\]: hello
imbad [13k\]: hello 
SitaRam [5k\]: hallo mingjiu
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
abbadan [?\]: hello
agui [6k?\]: Hello
Inkognito [4k?\]: hello
Ordiac [8k\]: hi n thx
au2 [4k\]: congratulations on oza result
jujo [9p\]: Is Batter？
suducodu [?\]: Hello Ming
Ordiac [8k\]: lol sry i didnt do homework
davidwatt [7k\]: homework!:)
freeks [13k\]: thx to oza jiang :)
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[jujo [9p\]: Haha
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cq]CR[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: Congratulations to Jiang Mingjiu, Winner of the Western Section of the North American Toyota/Denso Oza Championship
Scribe [-\]: p3 is the correct move
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]LB[jc:F][qf:C][ck:E][kq:D][nq:B][oq:A]C[Ordiac [8k\]: f17
abbadan [?\]: Congrats!
freeks [13k\]: mingjiu ohza now?
bigfish [6k?\]: l3
murky: p3
L2 [1d\]: P3 
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: p3
Scribe [-\]: Where should white play ?
SitaRam [5k\]: o3
Spartan101 [8k?\]: p3
abbadan [?\]: o 3
Tarkam [10k?\]: R14
vince [7k\]: L3
bigfish [6k?\]: L3
murky: c14
Stalker [8k\]: r14
swilks [7k\]: k17
SitaRam [5k\]: k17
Ordiac [8k\]: lol f17 that bad ? ...
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: c9
Ciovo [9k\]: ahah
shhh: O17 
blubb [7k\]: C14
petro [-\]: F17
SitaRam [5k\]: A
blubb [7k\]: F or C
bigfish [6k?\]: d
agui [6k?\]: F
xix [19k?\]: a
Stalker [8k\]: C
freeks [13k\]: A or C
Reepicheep [10k?\]: A
davidwatt [7k\]: D
Klaus [11k\]: A
abbadan [?\]: B
jalapeno [11k\]: c
freeks [13k\]: A
Ordiac [8k\]: c not good makes both stones low ?
blubb [7k\]: nah, not A
shhh: A
quijote [26k\]: D
blubb [7k\]: oops ^^
Spartan101 [8k?\]: yes
]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: p3 is the correct move
Scribe [-\]: L3 is too close to black strong group
]
;B[op]CR[op]C[olczyk [15k\]: It means W likes weak stones.
Scribe [-\]: why attack a live group
])
(;W[ck]CR[ck]C[imbad [13k\]: too slow
niceNeasy [9k\]: slow
Uvas [-\]: slow
])
(;W[jc]CR[jc]LB[pp:A]TR[qp]C[Scribe [-\]: c9 slow....helps strong group
imbad [13k\]: too early
Ordiac [8k\]: its ok but not right direction ?
Scribe [-\]: k17 splits top.  okay if r4 was at q4
murky: helpless
Klaus [11k\]: it is not working with other stones and splits...
Scribe [-\]: but r4 needs support
Uvas [-\]: r4 needs help
])
(;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Ordiac [8k\]: r10?
freeks [13k\]: l3
freeks [13k\]: ?
freeks [13k\]: :)
IvanIV [17k?\]: thoght m3 would be better than l3 ?
freeks [13k\]: so next after p3 black can choose where to play, r10 or n3 right?
Ordiac [8k\]: but corner not alive yet?
davidwatt [7k\]: yes
blubb [7k\]: y
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: what about p4
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
tthaav [-\]: y
Ciovo [9k\]: yes
shhh: clear
Uvas [-\]: yes
imbad [13k\]: yes
bagl [12k\]: yep
agui [6k?\]: yes , thanks
Ordiac [8k\]: i seen that die lots times
]
;B[]
;W[kq]CR[kq])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: mistake
Ciovo [9k\]: what game is this?
]
(;B[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: p3 vital point for both black and white on the bottom
]
;W[po]CR[po]C[Scribe [-\]: white can not allow black p3
Scribe [-\]: low but big for territory
]
(;B[qh]CR[qh]
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mq]CR[mq])
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[L2 [1d\]: isn't black too low?
]))
(;B[mp]CR[mp]C[freeks [13k\]: black nearly pro? :)
]))
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[imbad [13k\]: b take top
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[Ordiac [8k\]: yep r14 would have been my choice but both w right stones low
Scribe [-\]: touch weak stone ?
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]LB[nc:A]C[blubb [7k\]: w getting stronger thereby, too
petro [-\]: a large moyo too
freeks [13k\]: ß
freeks [13k\]: ?
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]LB[jc:A]C[bigfish [6k?\]: bad for B
IvanIV [17k?\]: yes
davidwatt [7k\]: yes
murky: Yes
imbad [13k\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: ye
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: s
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: now
Ordiac [8k\]: a bit
agui [6k?\]: yes
bigfish [6k?\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: k17
niceNeasy [9k\]: o16
petro [-\]: O16
bigfish [6k?\]: o16
Zark [5k\]: O16
imbad [13k\]: o16
Ordiac [8k\]: n16
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: o16
shhh: K16 
Uvas [-\]: p3
olczyk [15k\]: N16 iss joseki
IvanIV [17k?\]: n16
Shikasta [17k\]: p3
ligo [?\]: o17
agui [6k?\]: p13
olczyk [15k\]: But K16 is better
freeks [13k\]: p4 tenuki? :=
Kerrick [11k?\]: o16
IvanIV [17k?\]: dont know k17
freeks [13k\]: ?? a now?
Scribe [-\]: white at r10, then black can play k17.  big differnce
davidwatt [7k\]: no clear:)
murky: clear
agui [6k?\]: no
]
(;B[jc]CR[jc]LB[qi:A]C[swall [7k\]: o16 is joseki
Scribe [-\]: k17 is a mistake for balck when white plays at r11
IvanIV [17k?\]: what if w not r11 before?
blubb [7k\]: nice
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[ligo [?\]: when you  cannot put stone, audio is bad
]
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[Hu [11k?\]: Please don't complain about sound here.  Use the room to complain about sound.
]
;W[od]CR[od]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]TR[oe][of][pf]C[IvanIV [17k?\]: what happens if w not r11?
Uvas [-\]: better for w
Scribe [-\]: still good fro white
Scribe [-\]: black three stones are very heavy
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[tthaav [-\]: yes
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: yes
]
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: r17 is tesuji
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[shhh: lag
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[bigfish [6k?\]: s19
]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[Scribe [-\]: white takes the corner
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[blubb [7k\]: lagging, there's almost no sound here
Ciovo [9k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: yes
losted [10k\]: yep its better now
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[agui [6k?\]: yes
imbad [13k\]: yes
Aleksm [4k?\]: yes
murky: Ok
SitaRam [5k\]: bad
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[IvanIV [17k?\]: yes#
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[freeks [13k\]: yes
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Ordiac [8k\]: kgs was laggy all day
]
;W[rb]CR[rb])))
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[md]CR[md]C[Scribe [-\]: good for white
]))
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[freeks [13k\]: :)
SitaRam [5k\]: k17
olczyk [15k\]: K17
shhh: O16 
tthaav [-\]: k17
blubb [7k\]: O16
Xanthus [5k\]: O16 
freeks [13k\]: not really A now
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: white at r11, play o16 or o17
Scribe [-\]: two large moyos
Scribe [-\]: okay for white
Scribe [-\]: proper moves
])
(;B[nc]CR[nc]))
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[SitaRam [5k\]: but when w plays s15?
Ciovo [9k\]: very nice variation :)
Scribe [-\]: when r10 is at r11, black cut at r13 is not possible
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]LB[nc:A]C[Scribe [-\]: descent vital 
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pc]CR[pc]LB[rd:A]C[Zark [5k\]: so many moves
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[ArCosH [5k\]: please dont complain about sound complaining
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[SitaRam [5k\]: w s15
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: black kills white
Kerrick [11k?\]: pease explain why sente
IvanIV [17k?\]: nice thx
SitaRam [5k\]: but is there ko posibble
agui [6k?\]: no
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[shhh: R13 cut
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[rg]CR[rg]C[IvanIV [17k?\]: ok now i understand :)
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]LB[qi:A]TR[qj]C[freeks [13k\]: white must connect
]))
(;W[nq]CR[nq]LB[nd:D][rd:F][og:C][qg:A][qh:B][pi:G][pq:E]C[murky: W likes to tenuki
niceNeasy [9k\]: R13 ?
freeks [13k\]: stupid move
Scribe [-\]: white tenuki's and chooses the wrong place
shhh: R13 
niceNeasy [9k\]: r13 cut?
swilks [7k\]: cut
Fukurokuji [12k\]: Q3 
bigfish [6k?\]: r13
beginner [11k?\]: r13?
agui [6k?\]: Q11
SitaRam [5k\]: r13
shhh: Q11 
bigfish [6k?\]: r13
blubb [7k\]: P13?
niceNeasy [9k\]: mmm
petro [-\]: Q11
Ordiac [8k\]: i would d7
vogelfrei [13k\]: r12?
GonKu [7k\]: Q11
niceNeasy [9k\]: Q10 
olczyk [15k\]: R16
ArCosH [5k\]: kyu eleven
freeks [13k\]: mingjiu are you oza now??
freeks [13k\]: :)
losted [10k\]: r10
olczyk [15k\]: S16
fab [1d\]: Q11 ?
Walas [10k\]: q15 ?
Kerrick [11k?\]: if upper right then p13
Ordiac [8k\]: not attack c3 ?
blubb [7k\]: P13
vogelfrei [13k\]: o16
GonKu [7k\]: Q11
shhh: Q10 ?
abbadan [?\]: r 13
L2 [1d\]: Q11 
Fukurokuji [12k\]: Q3 
bigfish [6k?\]: r11
Tarkam [10k?\]: R11
abbadan [?\]: no! r 12
olczyk [15k\]: S16 is sente
SitaRam [5k\]: s16
beginner [11k?\]: m3
Ciovo [9k\]: are you surprised? ;)
bigfish [6k?\]: r11
isnich [18k\]: D i think
yfh2 [8k?\]: Q11
GonKu [7k\]: Q11
bigfish [6k?\]: r11
shhh: G
freeks [13k\]: G#
freeks [13k\]: :)
Ciovo [9k\]: G :)
bigfish [6k?\]: g
agui [6k?\]: G
Scribe [-\]: Black needs to punish the white tenuki.
bagl [12k\]: C
Ordiac [8k\]: c
yfh2 [8k?\]: G (Sakai Michiharu)
TheDoctor [15k?\]: if you wait a little longer you'll get the whole right side mentioned
SitaRam [5k\]: C
playm8 [4k?\]: 7 random guesses and some hints we finally have it :)
freeks [13k\]: haha
Ordiac [8k\]: but o16 only way to fix it?
Uvas [-\]: maybe r11 for black?
Scribe [-\]: very slow
petro [-\]: i hear you
wholeboard [7k\]: yes
Kernel32 [3k?\]: sometimes
vogelfrei [13k\]: clear
davidwatt [7k\]: just hear you and no more
Scribe [-\]: wait for it
abbadan [?\]: no, I dont hear
shhh: clear
losted [10k\]: what happens if b tenukis w P13
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Ordiac [8k\]: hahane
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[IvanIV [17k?\]: to good for w
Scribe [-\]: good fro white
])
(;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[qg]CR[qg]C[SitaRam [5k\]: bad
Scribe [-\]: black loses a lot
freeks [13k\]: then you have to defend  :)
shhh: B has to fix cut above now
])
(;B[]C[SitaRam [5k\]: dont peep if you can cut
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[nd]CR[nd])
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: black r12 helps white fix and creates white sente move
]))
(;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]C[Scribe [-\]: p13 also helps white fix weakness at r13
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[SitaRam [5k\]: pushing from behind
Scribe [-\]: and creates white sente
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Scribe [-\]: no need, too early to play o16
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[shhh: slow
])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]))
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
(;B[nd]CR[nd]LB[rd:A])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [-\]: black stone at s16 becomes a slow move
]))
(;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Uvas [-\]: yes
vogelfrei [13k\]: yes
braincrash [?\]: yes we hear
]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: q11 punishes white
shhh: no
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[shhh: correct
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[freeks [13k\]: bad shape?
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: white moyo is being gutted
L2 [1d\]: Q9 at R12 possible?
Ordiac [8k\]: so what ? there are always alive groups in moyo?
Uvas [-\]: hi
Scribe [-\]: patience
murky: Hi
freeks [13k\]: hey
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: hello
murky: we hear better now
xDarigaaz [9k\]: its ok now
]
(;B[qj]CR[qj])
(;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: both r10 and r9 are sente for black
])
(;B[rk]CR[rk])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: r6 first before r9
davidwatt [7k\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes
Simmuhaamu [22k?\]: yes
agui [6k?\]: yes
wholeboard [7k\]: yes
L2 [1d\]: i got question
cdub [?\]: y
Ordiac [8k\]: nope 8/
freeks [13k\]: first r6?
mandark [1k\]: why keep r10?
shhh: some :)
Scribe [-\]: white moyo is split
abbadan [?\]: yes
Ciovo [9k\]: it's a little bit difficult to manage these black stones inside white moyo..
playm8 [4k?\]: what should black play if white plays R10 instead of R11?
Scribe [-\]: this is the way to punish white's tenuki from the upper right
]))
(;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qh]CR[qh]))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]LB[hc:E][jc:B][pe:D][qi:C][pj:A][qj:F]C[wholeboard [7k\]: clear
Ringelpiez [12k\]: yes
yfh2 [8k?\]: I do hear
jalapeno [11k\]: yes
vogelfrei [13k\]: yes
Uvas [-\]: loud and clear
Reepicheep [10k?\]: yes
shhh: hehe
yfh2 [8k?\]: so are we :-)
Ordiac [8k\]: hehe i got a real error message , didnt see that one before , unexpected EOF
xDarigaaz [9k\]: mistake :)
isnich [18k\]: close and reopen 
niceNeasy [9k\]: M16 looks a bit overconcentrated
bolbi [13k?\]: abadan : close the game and come back
shhh: new joseki :p
SitaRam [5k\]: bad
petro [-\]: fish nor fowl
Scribe [-\]: game: mistake by black
shhh: R11 
abbadan [?\]: thanks
agui [6k?\]: q10
SitaRam [5k\]: k17
murky: r11
xix [19k?\]: q15
quijote [26k\]: h17
Scribe [-\]: two amatuer 4d players !
davidwatt [7k\]: R10 
Ciovo [9k\]: Q15
abbadan [?\]: C
freeks [13k\]: C
nigulh [15k\]: F
losted [10k\]: F
freeks [13k\]: C
Shikasta [17k\]: f
blubb [7k\]: f
agui [6k?\]: A
xDarigaaz [9k\]: a
tthaav [-\]: f
petro [-\]: Q12
SitaRam [5k\]: A
xix [19k?\]: d
honeyspoon: C
SoulShard [?\]: C
davidwatt [7k\]: C
playgo [6k\]: R9 
shhh: O16 ?
isnich [18k\]: d
SILD [7k\]: yes
]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Quinn [11k?\]: slow
SitaRam [5k\]: slow
Uvas [-\]: b looks big
Inkognito [4k?\]: F
davidwatt [7k\]: threatens to cut
SoulShard [?\]: Isn't it sente?
Shikasta [17k\]: still makes b fix?
freeks [13k\]: q15
])
(;W[pe]CR[pe]C[freeks [13k\]: eh? misunderstood question
freeks [13k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: lol
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[xDarigaaz [9k\]: bad
]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Ordiac [8k\]: lol sry i really dun get it 8/
freeks [13k\]: I misunderstood the question ;)
])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[blubb [7k\]: the question was referring toQ15 AFTER R11, I guess
])
(;W[nc]CR[nc])
(;W[me]CR[me]))
(;W[pj]CR[pj]
(;B[]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[rd]CR[rd])
(;B[ql]CR[ql]))
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[hc]CR[hc])
(;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[shhh: no
vogelfrei [13k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: no 
xDarigaaz [9k\]: no
nigulh [15k\]: no
Ordiac [8k\]: m18
])
(;W[]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[SitaRam [5k\]: no
blubb [7k\]: no
freeks [13k\]: no
vogelfrei [13k\]: no
Shikasta [17k\]: no
])
(;W[qj]CR[qj])
(;W[og]CR[og]LB[ld:C][nd:B][ng:A]C[Ciovo [9k\]: what if black invade black moyo now?
abbadan [?\]: ::
Ordiac [8k\]: lol invade yer own moyo
Ciovo [9k\]: eheh, black invade white moyo :)
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: punish black m16 by playing p13
])
(;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[nh]CR[nh]TR[of][pf]C[Scribe [-\]: black does not have enough liberties
davidwatt [7k\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
SoulShard [?\]: yep
freeks [13k\]: yes
agui [6k?\]: yes thanks
tthaav [-\]: yes
]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[oi]TR[la][ld][lg][oi][oq][or][os]C[Quinn [11k?\]: w
freeks [13k\]: white
freeks [13k\]: s
Shikasta [17k\]: w
SitaRam [5k\]: w
Blaubaer [5d?\]: m16 bad?
Ordiac [8k\]: both moyo big
Ordiac [8k\]: but w 3 groups and b 2 or 1 so b advantage ?
Scribe [-\]: whites moyo is bigger than blacks
])
(;B[]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: not sente for black
Ordiac [8k\]: empty triangle
Scribe [-\]: white will give up the two stones
]))
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[hc]CR[hc]C[vogelfrei [13k\]: mh
vogelfrei [13k\]: w has to run
]
(;W[df]CR[df]C[vogelfrei [13k\]: f15
freeks [13k\]: hey
shhh: hi
shhh: lag again
agui [6k?\]: hello
Ordiac [8k\]: hi
abbadan [?\]: yes, d 14
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[swilks [7k\]: yes
Hu [11k?\]: Do not complain about sound here, use the room, please.  Nobody can do anything if the problem is system-wide.  If the problem is an individual one, then we don't need lots of complaints clogging up the game.
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[gc]CR[gc]C[xDarigaaz [9k\]: its realy lagy today
Ordiac [8k\]: |-|| |_|
Quinn [11k?\]: this is joseki? oO
]
(;W[cc]CR[cc])
(;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Uvas [-\]: hi
tthaav [-\]: hi
freeks [13k\]: hi
Aleksm [4k?\]: hi
cdub [?\]: hi
agui [6k?\]: e17
freeks [13k\]: :)
xDarigaaz [9k\]: hello
mandark [1k\]: heee-lo-o
nigulh [15k\]: hi
vogelfrei [13k\]: hi
freeks [13k\]: hel-lo
tthaav [-\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k\]: yes
Aleksm [4k?\]: yes
freeks [13k\]: yes
nigulh [15k\]: y
Ordiac [8k\]: yep
agui [6k?\]: yes
vogelfrei [13k\]: yes
SitaRam [5k\]: now yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
agui [6k?\]: E17
MysticoN [10k\]: D17 
Quinn [11k?\]: e17, yes
au2 [4k\]: E17
Ordiac [8k\]: lol i can hear you but i dun undrsand ...
xDarigaaz [9k\]: e17
]
(;B[dc]CR[dc]C[yfh2 [8k?\]: C17
MysticoN [10k\]: ^^
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
(;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[db]CR[db])
(;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[abbadan [?\]: yf 18
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]C[Quinn [11k?\]: uneffective
agui [6k?\]: no
]
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Ordiac [8k\]: well i learned to consider tenuki every move
SitaRam [5k\]: no
davidwatt [7k\]: no
mandark [1k\]: y
vogelfrei [13k\]: no
])
(;B[pi]CR[pi]))
(;W[og]CR[og]C[abbadan [?\]: aha
])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]LB[dc:E][ld:D][qf:B][qi:C][nq:A]C[ruger [?\]: hmm
agui [6k?\]: no
xDarigaaz [9k\]: clear
Scribe [-\]: o3 is an error.  p3 is proper
Scribe [-\]: before p3, white must finish joseki on upper right side
Ordiac [8k\]: but r4 p3 shape soo killable ...
Scribe [-\]: d17 is a black joseki mistake
shhh: thanks Mingjiu
davidwatt [7k\]: thanks very mcuh:)
Shikasta [17k\]: thxs
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR A NICE LECTURE
agui [6k?\]: Thank you very much
Hu [11k?\]: Thank you MingJiu.
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
losted [10k\]: thanks for the lecture!
xDarigaaz [9k\]: Thank you very much
GOcats [10k\]: thx
Ciovo [9k\]: thank
suducodu [?\]: Thank you
cdub [?\]: ty
ruger [?\]: thx
Tarkam [10k?\]: Thanks 
SitaRam [5k\]: yes
SoulShard [?\]: Thank you!
CiS [21k\]: I LOVE YOU MINGJIU
gzeigler [?\]: many thanks
Ciovo [9k\]: and congrats
davidwatt [7k\]: hehe:)
playm8 [4k?\]: the cat ate it
abbadan [?\]: thanks!
Shikasta [17k\]: lol
agui [6k?\]: ok
tthaav [-\]: yay, homework!
losted [10k\]: when is the next lecture?
])))
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[abbadan [?\]: yes
Quinn [11k?\]: ah
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]C[nigulh [15k\]: y
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[bd]CR[bd])))
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[eb]CR[eb]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Ordiac [8k\]: not f18 ?
]))))
(;W[oq]CR[oq])))
(;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: after p3, L3 is possible, good point for white
]
;B[]
;W[kq]CR[kq]C[Scribe [-\]: after o3, white cant play L3
blubb [7k\]: too thin
Scribe [-\]: shape is bad, corner is too open
]))
(;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: New Homework
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[Ordiac [8k\]: this joseki?
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Tarkam [10k?\]: Scribe [-\]: New Homework
Klaus [11k\]: this is a problem =P
]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[le]CR[le]C[Ordiac [8k\]: hehe i like top left b shape
Uvas [-\]: b
SitaRam [5k\]: w to kill
abbadan [?\]: :))
davidwatt [7k\]: white to kill
Ciovo [9k\]: white to kill
davidwatt [7k\]: hehe
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION FOR THEIR GENEROUS SUPPORT
davidwatt [7k\]: thanks
isnich [18k\]: thx
SitaRam [5k\]: thx
Ordiac [8k\]: id p19
Scribe [-\]: Black to play
wholeboard [7k\]: thx
agui [6k?\]: Thank you very much
au2 [4k\]: have a good week
GOcats [10k\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
Shikasta [17k\]: thxs 
SILD [7k\]: thanks you
CiS [21k\]: see yaa
Aleksm [4k?\]: thx
au2 [4k\]: thanks Scribe
Ciovo [9k\]: thanks Scribe
ruger [?\]: ty
SILD [7k\]: cu
Ordiac [8k\]: thx cya
Ciovo [9k\]: bye
oradlian [9k\]: thx
davidwatt [7k\]: bye
au2 [4k\]: bye bye
SoulShard [?\]: bye
]))