(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-03-12]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Creeed [11k?\]: hi
agui [7k\]: Hello
mairov [19k\]: hello
ammon [16k\]: yes
wholeboard [7k\]: hi
Zark [4k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes
suducodu [?\]: Lo, mingjiu
freeks [12k\]: yes , sound good, hello mingjiu sensei
josba: very well
dogenzenji [22k\]: Ni hao
wholeboard [7k\]: goood
suducodu [?\]: We can hear
armiad [13k\]: hello
SitaRam [4k?\]: hello
freeks [12k\]: mingjiu can I come to your academy to study go?
freeks [12k\]: in a few years?
fringd [9k\]: why doesn't black take advantage of this in the game?
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[freeks [12k\]: ok
hadar1989 [23k\]: no homework!
]
(;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[BuckCentre [16k?\]: Does white need to play o16?
freeks [12k\]: ok
fringd [9k\]: yes we hear
swilks [7k\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: I don't know the name
]
(;W[md]CR[md]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong order of play
Uberdude [12k\]: o15?
BuddyL [8k\]: M17
Saikun [9k\]: M16 ?
GoCat [9k\]: O15
Scribe [-\]: white must atari first at o15
mairov [19k\]: o15
Creeed [11k?\]: O15?
goshu [7k\]: yes
ray12 [23k\]: u go slow then u come back then u fade out a little again
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[au2 [3k\]: can b O15
agui [7k\]: m16
JeffAmid [17k\]: O15 
freeks [12k\]: no
Briar: no
josba: p14
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Briar: audio's fine
Scribe [-\]: game between ?
wrong [?\]: whatever I say, I am wrong
]
;B[of]CR[of]C[freeks [12k\]: :)
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]LB[nd:B][ne:A]C[BuckCentre [16k?\]: test
ammon [16k\]: q10?
goshu [7k\]: 2 lessons at the same time ???
BuckCentre [16k?\]: Oh lol sorry
BuckCentre [16k?\]: I was just testing if there was any lag. :P
mairov [19k\]: ...
freeks [12k\]: well really 2 lessons
Saikun [9k\]: no
mairov [19k\]: I cant hear
freeks [12k\]: ah I see
wrong [?\]: guo si back
fringd [9k\]: nah..
wrong [?\]: but will wait for mingjiu to finish
SitaRam [4k?\]: what`s going on today?
fringd [9k\]: gua is telling us to come here
ray12 [23k\]: u r hard to understand
BuckCentre [16k?\]: Laoshi, what is the question?
fringd [9k\]: guo sorry
ammon [16k\]: yep she told to come here
SitaRam [4k?\]: and where is the sound?
freeks [12k\]: be patient please
mairov [19k\]: sounds not goof
ammon [16k\]: b for right side
josba: even
GoCat [9k\]: looks about equal?
isshoni [13k?\]: fair
freeks [12k\]: better for black
BuddyL [8k\]: I like W
freeks [12k\]: ?
agui [7k\]: black better
freeks [12k\]: eh white
Briar: i like white better
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: i think even but black have sente
wingnut [-\]: not joseki
fringd [9k\]: white a little better? because of d16
blacklabel [11k\]: w better i like
SitaRam [4k?\]: yes
mallow [17k\]: I think the outcome works better with white's D16 stone than with black's Q3
Cladoo [-\]: the order is wrong
wingnut [-\]: that I know :)
BuddyL [8k\]: this is joseki ^^
SitaRam [4k?\]: 8-(
Scribe [-\]: joseki shape, wrong order of play
fringd [9k\]: is this from a game?
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne])
(;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Uberdude [12k\]: q14
fringd [9k\]: o16 now
GoCat [9k\]: white is sad
Creeed [11k?\]: w N15?
hadar1989 [23k\]: who is joseki?
]
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Scribe [-\]: black punishes white for deviation from joseki
ray12 [23k\]: im not good at joseki       
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: o15 is "bulge point" see http://senseis.xmp.net
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[freeks [12k\]: m17?
mairov [19k\]: is it good for b right?
fringd [9k\]: black is much better
JeffAmid [17k\]: not even anymore
Creeed [11k?\]: w M17 after the peep?
SitaRam [4k?\]: good for b
au2 [3k\]: this is
Uberdude [12k\]: what if white q14?
Zark [4k\]: this
Uberdude [12k\]: after o15
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: black happy
isshoni [13k?\]: (we made tesujeki and josuji up ray, they re not real words)
])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[fringd [9k\]: why didn't black try this?
fringd [9k\]: now black gote
Scribe [-\]: black punishes by playing o15
goshu [7k\]: very clear
]
(;W[]
(;B[ld]CR[ld])
(;B[me]CR[me])
(;B[kc]CR[kc])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: a lot of potential remains for black 
BuckCentre [16k?\]: What's tenuki?
Scribe [-\]: sente
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: threat: o16 to take two white stones, white must respond
hadar1989 [23k\]: can he see our messeges?
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[fringd [9k\]: yes
]
;W[me]CR[me]C[MacKniver [28k?\]: yes
swilks [7k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Briar: yes
Scribe [-\]: white crashed
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[isshoni [13k?\]: tenuki is to play elsewhere
mairov [19k\]: yes he can
freeks [12k\]: yeah
freeks [12k\]: yes
Briar: yes
moot: yes
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
hadar1989 [23k\]: yeah
butcher [11k\]: what if w q14 after b takes o15?
]))
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mf]CR[mf]
;W[lf]CR[lf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]LB[le:A]
;
(;W[]C[MacKniver [28k?\]: I guess these joseki lessons confuse me too much
]
;B[le]CR[le]C[Scribe [-\]: still a bad shape for white due to possible cut at m15
hadar1989 [23k\]: kj
])
(;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[hadar1989 [23k\]: i cant understand
]))))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[freeks [12k\]: :D
]
(;W[me]CR[me]C[MacKniver [28k?\]: Imdon't
mairov [19k\]: this lecture will be all about joseki?
Uberdude [12k\]: he won fujitsu qualifier
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[of]CR[of]))
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[ammon [16k\]: :(
ammon [16k\]: me neither
hadar1989 [23k\]: i dont hear anything
nik0 [18k?\]: yes
isshoni [13k?\]: hear you well
freeks [12k\]: then go out of the game and come in again
guojuan [5p\]: oh
Nido [?\]: rejoin if u cant hear
agui [7k\]: yes
Shiny [7k?\]: yes
freeks [12k\]: yes we can hear yuo
ray12 [23k\]: im not good w/ words        i have no idea  what tesujeki is
freeks [12k\]: ah yes that's it
Scribe [-\]: after n16 the black hane at m16 is not good
freeks [12k\]: congratulations mingjiu
]
;B[of]CR[of])))
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[ray12 [23k\]: now i can
]
;B[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [-\]: this is correct order
ammon [16k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: yes
zee [10k\]: yes
fringd [9k\]: can hear again
wholeboard [7k\]: yes, now
zee [10k\]: we hear
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[ammon [16k\]: not now
swilks [7k\]: yes
point [13k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: yes we can haer
LiuFeng: need black to jump to r18 or can he cut the two stones on the right?
guojuan [5p\]: it is one of the basic ones
isshoni [13k?\]: you mean josuji, freeks?
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: the shape at move 16 is joseki
fringd [9k\]: hard to see why they change the order... what is white afraid of?
ray12 [23k\]: i just got out of  bed 
freeks [12k\]: do pros every day study go problems?
mairov [19k\]: some laggg
Briar: audio lag 
moot: hello
JeffAmid [17k\]: fine
Briar: ok its good now
isshoni [13k?\]: hi
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[ray12 [23k\]: not verry clear
ray12 [23k\]: ok good im nlot stupid
moot: no
isshoni [13k?\]: :)
rayen [9k\]: no
ray12 [23k\]: yay
freeks [12k\]: no question
SitaRam [4k?\]: no
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: clear
freeks [12k\]: ^^
agui [7k\]: no questions
kouchi [3k\]: seems b has more of the corner, and sente
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[fringd [9k\]: i can hear
JeffAmid [17k\]: is q14 necesary?
freeks [12k\]: now white can tenuki?
])
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Briar: yes
moot: yes
fringd [9k\]: yes
ray12 [23k\]:  yes
mstarsup5 [6k\]: YES
SitaRam [4k?\]: i rejoin the hole time
Briar: the gameplay isn't flowing with the audio
point [13k\]: yes
SitaRam [4k?\]: yes
PieFeliz [10k?\]: not me
BuckCentre [16k?\]: R14?
isshoni [13k?\]: i don t
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: i dont
agui [7k\]: not me
nik0 [18k?\]: not me
point [13k\]: at  time not always
Uberdude [12k\]: that fair
guojuan [5p\]: this joseki you can find from joseki books
Uberdude [12k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki
freeks [12k\]: minigjiu did you won the tournament thing?
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[Uberdude [12k\]: joeski is an opening sequence
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[freeks [12k\]: I don't 
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[point [13k\]: times*
freeks [12k\]: too bad :(
mairov [19k\]: 19k players don't know joseki
hansb [5k\]: have seen it
hadar1989 [23k\]: thanks
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[swilks [7k\]: i recall it
hansb [5k\]: you showed us before
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[agui [7k\]: doesn't look
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[SitaRam [4k?\]: yes
LiuFeng: i dont think so
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]C[freeks [12k\]: hm
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[freeks [12k\]: hei
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[fringd [9k\]: r17
])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[swilks [7k\]: yes
]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[fringd [9k\]: no
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[hadar1989 [23k\]: bless you
kouchi [3k\]: s15 is great
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[guojuan [5p\]: a big joseki :)
Uberdude [12k\]: lol
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[og]CR[og]C[agui [7k\]: r19
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[hadar1989 [23k\]: gg
freeks [12k\]: nice
agui [7k\]: Uahhh  nice !
Scribe [-\]: black crashed
])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]C[CentarKG [4k\]: b-------
fringd [9k\]: quite a joseki
hadar1989 [23k\]: joseki is from china?
]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
hadar1989 [23k\]: joseki rules!!!!!!!!!!!!
freeks [12k\]: tesujeki
])))))
(;W[nd]CR[nd]C[guojuan [5p\]: yes I am on
Scribe [-\]: Homework !
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[kb]CR[kb])
(;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ka]CR[ka]C[ray12 [23k\]: what about homework
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[guojuan [5p\]: ok
]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[rs]CR[rs]
;B[ia]CR[ia]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]TR[ja][ka][gb][hb][jb][kb][ic][jc][kc][lc][pc]C[Scribe [-\]: Black to connect
freeks [12k\]: mhh
hadar1989 [23k\]: BLACK RULEZ
freeks [12k\]: black to kill
guojuan [5p\]: lag
rayen [9k\]: P19 
XuShuyi [23k\]: o18?
point [13k\]: p18
wrong [?\]: can live without connection
agui [7k\]: P18
guojuan [5p\]: white has more liberties locally
Area53 [10k\]: But you've heard of the term 'homework' before, haven't you? :)
freeks [12k\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: therefore black has to escape
rayen [9k\]: p19
Scribe [-\]: Homework from two weeks ago
Ringelpiez [11k\]: N18?
Scribe [-\]: Black must connect m17 to q17
]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[wingnut [-\]: P19 ?
mallow [17k\]: O19? I know it looks crazy, but it reads out ok for me.
hadar1989 [23k\]: ko died painfully
egemen [-\]: p19?
freeks [12k\]: what about n18? did we have that?
GoMe [2k?\]: connection with ko is not answer i guess?
wrong [?\]: n17 fails too?
rayen [9k\]: p19
Uberdude [12k\]: n19?
josba: O18 P18 O17?
Shik4maru [17k\]: n19
hadar1989 [23k\]: i cant
LeFourBe [-\]: its not loto :)
mallow [17k\]: O19
hansb [5k\]: P18 and O19
hadar1989 [23k\]: the winned is..
Bouton [1d?\]: N17 
Zark [4k\]: N17 O17 O18 N19
goshu [7k\]: o19?
wrong [?\]: Hu (JinTao) can do it ^_^
Shik4maru [17k\]: n19
freeks [12k\]: hmmm
Briar: o18/p18/o17
BuckCentre [16k?\]: He's yelling at us... :(
Erithid [13k?\]: n19
freeks [12k\]: g19 :P
Erithid [13k?\]: no
freeks [12k\]: gg
LeFourBe [-\]: n17
freeks [12k\]: no
freeks [12k\]: ^^
Zark [4k\]: N17 O17 O18 P18 N19 ?
]
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[fringd [9k\]: this no good
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[freeks [12k\]: p18 doesn't work 
freeks [12k\]: I thought I can kill ^^
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[rayen [9k\]: p18 is ko
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[mc]CR[mc])
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[freeks [12k\]: maybe q18...
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[la]CR[la])
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[agui [7k\]: no
fringd [9k\]: to kill he must connect
hadar1989 [23k\]: no ko
rayen [9k\]: huh
hansb [5k\]: O19
Scribe [-\]: key move p18
]
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[la]CR[la]C[freeks [12k\]: I thought black to kill?
])
(;B[ma]CR[ma]C[Shik4maru [17k\]: n19
]
;W[na]CR[na]C[rayen [9k\]: with O18 
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[fringd [9k\]: no ko
])
(;B[na]CR[na]
(;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: o19 tesuji
rayen [9k\]: oh seki
]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[SitaRam [4k?\]: dead
wrong [?\]: so B connects at the end ^_^
suzakusan [12k\]: nice ^^
Scribe [-\]: seki for black, but white stone to the left will die
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]TR[ja][jb][ic][jc]C[Erithid [13k?\]: wow
freeks [12k\]: nice
moot: nice
freeks [12k\]: :))
agui [7k\]: ahhh very nice !!
rayen [9k\]: temporarily seki
SitaRam [4k?\]: local seki
freeks [12k\]: hehe
fringd [9k\]: ded
mstarsup5 [6k\]: wow
])
(;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[SitaRam [4k?\]: connect
]
(;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[lb]CR[lb])
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Shik4maru [17k\]: no
freeks [12k\]: nope
moot: no thanks
SitaRam [4k?\]: no
swilks [7k\]: no
agui [7k\]: no
makabooboo [13k\]: no
rayen [9k\]: no
bigfish [6k?\]: no
kouchi [3k\]: what is wrong with b o18 p18 o17?
freeks [12k\]: can I come to china to study go?
nik0 [18k?\]: nop, nice
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]C[freeks [12k\]: connected
]))))
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Briar: o18/p18/o17?
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]C[Uberdude [12k\]: o17?
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[la]CR[la])
(;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[BuckCentre [16k?\]: He's going to spank us soon
ray12 [23k\]: lol
agui [7k\]: no
])
(;B[ga]CR[ga]C[bigfish [6k?\]: p18
Erithid [13k?\]: heh
]))))
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Scribe [-\]: New Homework !
hadar1989 [23k\]: no you cant
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[freeks [12k\]: why notß
wrong [?\]: freeks: MingJiu lives in USA
GanjaMan [1d\]: why not O18 P18 O17?
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[hadar1989 [23k\]: because china is far
]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[Briar: thats what i asked lol
]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[od]CR[od]C[freeks [12k\]: that's not your proble, :P
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[as]CR[as]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[hadar1989 [23k\]: A1?
]
;B[bs]CR[bs]C[freeks [12k\]: ^-^a1 tesuji
]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[Briar: lol
]
;B[br]CR[br]C[pel [10k\]: gongames.com has a one/two month trip to china for go studies if you really want to go there..
Erithid [13k?\]: a1 2 pts better than t1
kinamoh [15k\]: freeks: http://gongames.com/china
pel [10k\]: heh
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[aq]CR[aq]C[freeks [12k\]: how much?
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[freeks [12k\]: gon or gogames?
wrong [?\]: 2000e
pel [10k\]: look at the site
wrong [?\]: look Myao
wrong [?\]: look Myao's info
bigfish [6k?\]: black
Briar: black to live?
slowbird [-\]: is it "black to live"?
fringd [9k\]: white to kill
freeks [12k\]: nice picture of china :)
freeks [12k\]: hm
bigfish [6k?\]: maybe
PieFeliz [10k?\]: Mingjiu makes dangos and nakade shape!
Scribe [-\]: White to play !
guojuan [5p\]: please don't chat here
au2 [3k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
wrong [?\]: nice one
Briar: alright thanks ^^
guojuan [5p\]: for other information please chat later
hadar1989 [23k\]: c3 !!!
wrong [?\]: Thank You for the lecture
bigfish [6k?\]: THANKS
au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
agui [7k\]: ok  Thank you very much
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
guojuan [5p\]: I am here
freeks [12k\]: thx to ing go foundation
wrong [?\]: and thans to ING foundation
xDarigaaz [9k?\]: thank you very much
Shik4maru [17k\]: thx mingjiu
mallow [17k\]: thanks a lot
guojuan [5p\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Foundation
moot: thanks and bye:)
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