(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-04-16]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[mpk [10k\]: hello ^^
Stalker [8k\]: hello
whendrik [14k\]: Hello!
Myshkin [19k\]: hi
agui [7k\]: Hello
Firzen [16k\]: hi
rayen [8k\]: hello mingjiu
clemi [?\]: hi
kirkbobic [14k\]: hello
murky: Hi MingJiu
whendrik [14k\]: Cristal Clear!
Mokuseki [11k\]: hi
Vanya [9k\]: hello!
clemi [?\]: yeah !
Mokuseki [11k\]:  yes
Firzen [16k\]: yes
mpk [10k\]: loud n clear
Myshkin [19k\]: Yes.
rollingpin: hi!
SitaRam [1d?\]: namaste
Scribe [-\]: much better !!!!
Akala [-\]: hear you fine
agui [7k\]: yes
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: hi
Janez [3k\]: yes
kouchi [3k\]: Yes, nice to hear you
SitaRam [1d?\]: nice to see you
Templar [?\]: hear you I am
murky: Oh, Yes, good to hear
clemi [?\]: yes !
Kevintju [-\]: hi
Uvas [-\]: hi hi
Shiny [6k?\]: hi
murky: He lost
SitaRam [1d?\]: .-(
hansb [5k\]: oh no lot of kos
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: which game.... i can upload it to the server ?
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
(;B[do]CR[do]C[hansb [5k\]: luo shi he
murky: SanXing Cup?
Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe beat Li Changho to win the 10th LG Cup
hansb [5k\]: yi chang ho
])
(;B[co]CR[co]
;W[op]CR[op]C[Scribe [-\]: Xihe no shi he
mingjiu [7p\]: park young-hun
Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe 9p  	Park Cheongsang 5p
Uvas [-\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: second round of LG Cup
Myshkin [19k\]: yes
mpk [10k\]: ^^
Scribe [-\]: [2005-05-18\]  10th LG Cup, roun
wingnut [-\]: 19th Fujitsu Cup
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dl]CR[dl]C[Scribe [-\]: CORRECTION: Luo Xihe 9p  	Park Yeonghun 9p
Uvas [-\]: :)
Zark [4k\]: :(
Scribe [-\]: [2006-04-10\]  19th Fujitsu Cup, round 2
Scribe [-\]: http://www.go4go.net/v2/modules/collection/sgfview.php?id=10819
]
(;B[fo]CR[fo]C[Scribe [-\]: white too strong locally ?
]
(;W[gq]CR[gq]TR[op][nq][oq][pq]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[ho]CR[ho])
(;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[fm]CR[fm]C[mpk [10k\]: i like black
]
;W[gn]CR[gn]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[mp]CR[mp]C[seidelin [10k\]: great
Vanya [9k\]: white is better
clemi [?\]: very good for white...
swilks [8k\]: seems good for white
EfeCan [27k?\]: white is stronger than before
seidelin [10k\]: white
Fibo [15k\]: better for white
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: i like white
Shikasta [15k\]: w
]))
(;B[dn]CR[dn])
(;B[em]CR[em])
(;B[np]CR[np]C[ArGonauta [15k?\]: Luo is White?
]
(;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[no]CR[no])
(;W[cp]CR[cp]
(;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[do]CR[do]C[Vanya [9k\]: d6
seidelin [10k\]: i like black
rayen [8k\]: seems ok for both
])
(;B[ep]CR[ep]C[Scribe [-\]: Luo is very innovative in his play
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
(;B[do]CR[do]C[Candle [6k\]: bad shape?
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[em]CR[em]C[dodo4: scribe using eufemisms :D
kouchi [3k\]: if previous var, w's wall is facing b but b's wall is facing b 4-4 stone
])
(;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[do]CR[do]C[rayen [8k\]: :D
]
;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[Quinn [9k?\]: now thats nice
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[rayen [8k\]: nice
rayen [8k\]: b
Zark [4k\]: black
EfeCan [27k?\]: b
ljl [12k\]: black
Shikasta [15k\]: black
ArGonauta [15k?\]: B
wossname [10k\]: white ":o
mpk [10k\]: b ^^
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: B
Vanya [9k\]: black ... may be
Quinn [9k?\]: b with extra cheese :)
Templar [?\]: white
mikael79 [18k\]: even
Scribe [-\]: mingjiu prefers white's position
Scribe [-\]: the lower left corner is huge
Scribe [-\]: black has no aji against that corner
DrGoPlayer [-\]: aji at o3
]
(;W[jq]CR[jq])
(;W[mq]CR[mq])
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[seidelin [10k\]: i allways underestimate having no aji....
])
(;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[seidelin [10k\]: c11
Candle [6k\]: C12 
swilks [8k\]: c12
Quinn [9k?\]: o17? ^^
rayen [8k\]: F17 ?
Candle [6k\]: pincer looks good with influence
Prepp [?\]: c11
rayen [8k\]: K5 ?
Scribe [-\]: a proper move for white is L3
Vanya [9k\]: r5
mpk [10k\]: is k16 nonsense?
hansb [5k\]: K3
]
(;W[kq]CR[kq])
(;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: white does not want this result
])
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[seidelin [10k\]: nice =)
SitaRam [1d?\]: yes
]
(;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Scribe [-\]: famous tesuji sequence
hansb [5k\]: M4!
Kennabee [6k\]: yes
]
(;W[jo]CR[jo]C[swilks [8k\]: no
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Kennabee [6k\]: M4
rayen [8k\]: haha
rayen [8k\]: funny
kouchi [3k\]: nice!
JosefK [7k\]: dosaku
seidelin [10k\]: pretty
]
(;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[mn]CR[mn]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[ln]CR[ln]C[rayen [8k\]: so pretty
clemi [?\]: astonishing !
Scribe [-\]: bad for black...needless to say
])
(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[nr]CR[nr]
;W[mr]CR[mr]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[kn]CR[kn]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[Scribe [-\]: game is over
]))
(;W[no]CR[no]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: black must not cut at k4
]))
(;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[rayen [8k\]: yes
SitaRam [1d?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: Luo says that white f3 is not good, loses sente moves at h4 and h5
Bodo212 [15k\]: ok for B
totylkoja [?\]: no
swilks [8k\]: i don't understand why white doesn't play directly against c14?
Quinn [9k?\]: not expandable
seidelin [10k\]: i dont know
]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[gr]CR[gr])
(;W[hp]CR[hp])
(;W[ho]CR[ho])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[rayen [8k\]: ^^
]
(;W[mf]CR[mf]C[seidelin [10k\]: they take turns
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]C[Scribe [-\]: not clear which player is attacking
rayen [8k\]: Q14 ?
hansb [5k\]: R13
SitaRam [1d?\]: s15
seidelin [10k\]: r13
Candle [6k\]: R13 
Scribe [-\]: hard for white to answer r15
]
(;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: corner is too big
]
(;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Scribe [-\]: black lost r12 in exchange for p14, but p14 stone is much more valuable
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[nf]CR[nf]TR[of][qf][rf][pg][qg][ph][qh][oj][qj][np][qp][oq][pq]C[Scribe [-\]: all consider this result good for black
rayen [8k\]: yeah
rayen [8k\]: P14 
SitaRam [1d?\]: p14
Vanya [9k\]: white
Myshkin [19k\]: p14
Firzen [16k\]: P14 cutting stone
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Quinn [9k?\]: c12
richu [1d\]: C13
Kennabee [6k\]: C13
clemi [?\]: pincer 
Vanya [9k\]: c12
Shikasta [15k\]: k16
]
(;W[ch]CR[ch]C[swilks [8k\]: c13
])
(;W[cg]CR[cg])
(;W[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [-\]: white limits area of black development
Scribe [-\]: top more valuable to black than the left is to white
Vanya [9k\]: Q7
Kennabee [6k\]: C11
Scribe [-\]: c11 okay
agui [7k\]: C17
]
(;B[ci]CR[ci])
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[seidelin [10k\]: c17
Quinn [9k?\]: e14?
agui [7k\]: C17
Shikasta [15k\]: h16
Scribe [-\]: q7 no white is very strong above
Scribe [-\]: the right side is small
])
(;B[cc]CR[cc])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]C[seidelin [10k\]: h17
Scribe [-\]: both c11 and c17 are common
mpk [10k\]: ^^
Scribe [-\]: but Luo Xihe played h17 !
Quinn [9k?\]: why that early? oO
Quinn [9k?\]: :D
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: :)
aditsu [9k\]: because he felt it was urgent
seidelin [10k\]: fun move =)
kouchi [3k\]: both sides kind of floating...
mpk [10k\]: feels like making an extra target for white's target practise ^^
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[ie]CR[ie]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[agui [7k\]: why not atari from below ?  at J15
]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[keplen [7k?\]: you like w ??
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu likes white
Scribe [-\]: black must extend
]
(;B[he]CR[he]C[Scribe [-\]: one forcing move too many....not forcing
Kennabee [6k\]: mistake
keplen [7k?\]: center access?
rayen [8k\]: :p
seidelin [10k\]: did he lauf to?
]
(;W[kc]CR[kc]TR[id][he][ie]C[slowdown [16k\]: yes
Quinn [9k?\]: i like w
Porkepic [16k\]: no
zeroblue42 [16k\]: I don't understand either
Scribe [-\]: h15 creates black weak group
]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[df]CR[df])
(;B[je]CR[je]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
(;B[ci]CR[ci]TR[he][pe][nf][pf][og][oh]C[Scribe [-\]: game
Scribe [-\]: h15 is a flat out mistake
rayen [8k\]: Luo must start to play slow .. he playes to fast  ^^
]
(;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[eg]CR[eg]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Scribe [-\]: correct direction of white is s15 in place of d14
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[re]CR[re]LB[pi:A]TR[he][df]C[Scribe [-\]: black gets both upper left and upper right corners with good size
Scribe [-\]: d14 slow move
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]
;B[mg]CR[mg]LB[he:A]TR[cc][id][ie][je][re]C[Scribe [-\]: black s15 threatens q11
keplen [7k?\]: is M14 a good move for white now?
Scribe [-\]: black got both c17 and s15
Scribe [-\]: plus black strength in upper right makes it hard to kill the four black stones
]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[se]CR[se]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[Scribe [-\]: right edge hane sente for both
]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[cg]CR[cg]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
slowdown [16k\]: no
clemi [?\]: pretty much
Scribe [-\]: mingjiu counts black black ahead on territory
Vanya [9k\]: black sacrifies 4 stones?
ljl [12k\]: can black group at 15 escape?
seidelin [10k\]: only on secured territory
]
;W[ei]CR[ei]
;B[ck]CR[ck]
;W[lp]CR[lp]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: must go to center ?
slowdown [16k\]: e12 is better,no? for black
tudorus [-\]: o5
ArGonauta [15k?\]: M12
fu [18k\]: R7 looks big
slowdown [16k\]: open the center
Vanya [9k\]: l14
mpk [10k\]: M3 ? ^^
fu [18k\]: N3
ArGonauta [15k?\]: F12?
Shikasta [15k\]: p5
ljl [12k\]: r7
JosefK [7k\]: o5
clemi [?\]: N4 ?
slowdown [16k\]: o5
seidelin [10k\]: i think
Kennabee [6k\]: M12
]
(;B[fh]CR[fh])
(;B[no]CR[no]C[mpk [10k\]: mingjiu must have a lot of fun heaps of 30-kyus suggesting their great counter-attacks ^^
Scribe [-\]: game
swilks [8k\]: how can black win if top center stones don't live?
Scribe [-\]: 16k finds the 9p move
seidelin [10k\]: black just need to limit white center
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]LB[he:A]TR[id][ie][je]C[Scribe [-\]: game becomes good for white
murky: free gift to W
mpk [10k\]: hard to see it make that much really diffirence... wouldnt black still have good access to center via o5 and n13 stones?
mpk [10k\]: ^^
slowdown [16k\]: :)
wingnut [-\]: no Q's thx
Vanya [9k\]: not now
saodiseng [1d\]: why didn't black play n4 instead of c9?
Akala [-\]: many
Akala [-\]: too many to ask though
ArGonauta [15k?\]: it ended here?
murky: You did last time?
Quinn [9k?\]: î only found that white gets 3 stones in gote...
]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[lq]CR[lq]
(;W[ho]CR[ho])
(;W[kj]CR[kj]LB[nn:A]))
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[no]CR[no]C[Scribe [-\]: that black should have played at k4 followed by s6
]
(;B[rn]CR[rn]C[Scribe [-\]: Luo Xihe said that o5 was the losing move
Zark [4k\]: on 2. line?
murky: how about L5?
])
(;B[ih]CR[ih]TR[oi][oj][qj][qm][np][qp][oq][pq])))
(;W[re]CR[re]))
(;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ch]CR[ch]C[murky: B built a small great wall
])))
(;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[kc]CR[kc]LB[gd:B][he:A]C[Scribe [-\]: what language do they speak in the review ?
]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]))))
(;W[og]CR[og]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qi]CR[qi]))
(;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[agui [7k\]: r13
]
(;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[mh]CR[mh])
(;B[mh]CR[mh])))
(;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[Scribe [-\]: white s16 prevents previous results which were good fro balck
])))))))))
(;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[cp]CR[cp]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki....better for white here
]
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Fibo [15k\]: In which book can we read this type of joseki?
Scribe [-\]: joseki
])
(;B[np]CR[np]C[mpk [10k\]: ^^
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[rayen [8k\]: oh
]))))
(;B[rc]CR[rc]C[murky: Great
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[rf]CR[rf]C[mpk [10k\]: if its not too much trouble, saodiseng had a question?
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[aditsu [9k\]: F2=edit tool ....
mpk [10k\]: ^^
wingnut [-\]: This weeks homework: White to play
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: pro :)
kouchi [3k\]: ama
ArGonauta [15k?\]: pro
SitaRam [1d?\]: ama
Worthless [5k?\]: Professional :)
hansb [5k\]: i orefer amateur games
kirkbobic [14k\]: amateur
Templar [?\]: amature
seidelin [10k\]: pro games mostly
SitaRam [1d?\]: better for us
Hu [12k\]: Pro
hansb [5k\]: with lots of mistakes
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
kouchi [3k\]: situations that come up in pro aren't useful for me
murky: Thanks, MingJiu LaoShi
xDarigaaz [8k?\]: thank you very much
Worthless [5k?\]: Thank you very much.
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Jiang Mingjiu Laoshi
slowdown [16k\]: thx 
au2 [4k\]: thanks to the ING FOUNDATION
kouchi [3k\]: thanks
hansb [5k\]: thank you
oradlian [8k\]: thx
SitaRam [1d?\]: thank you mingjiu
richu [1d\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
Kennabee [6k\]: Thanks
Vanya [9k\]: thank you very much
mpk [10k\]: thank you
iddonaim [-\]: thank you
saodiseng [1d\]: thank you
JosefK [7k\]: thank you and ing foundation
Templar [?\]: thank you
rayen [8k\]: thx
ArGonauta [15k?\]: thanks
wingnut [-\]: Thank you mingjiu & Mr Ing :)
au2 [4k\]: HAVE A GREAT WEEK
Hu [12k\]: Thank you.
Porkepic [16k\]: thanks you very much good WE
SitaRam [1d?\]: thx for scribe
]))