(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-04-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[whendrik [14k\]: Hello
EfeCan [24k\]: hi
braincrash [?\]: sound good
reed338 [17k?\]: hello
xDarigaaz [8k\]: hi
kirkbobic [13k\]: hi
Imoto [10k?\]: hi
whendrik [14k\]: Yes i can hear you!
scKevinjf [21k\]: yap
Imoto [10k?\]: yes
LT [12k?\]: hi
murky: Hello
ruger [15k?\]: hi
brx [13k\]: hi
]
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[puzi [9k\]: c16
]
(;W[df]CR[df]LB[cd:C][ed:A][fd:B][ce:D][dh:F][en:E]TR[cn]C[skbh [17k\]: what are you using to listen to the lecture?
kerem74 [22k\]: hiya
puzi [9k\]: d6 missing
scKevinjf [21k\]: R6 
Scribe [-\]: First Question: where should Black play in this position
braincrash [?\]: we are just using the kgs download client
kerem74 [22k\]: D15
Scribe [-\]: white tenuki possible, so white played d14
braincrash [?\]: good?
brx [13k\]: can not hear you clearly (only part of the words)
Imoto [10k?\]: ^^
reed338 [17k?\]: weak'
scKevinjf [21k\]: C15 
Scribe [-\]: d14 is probably a bad move, but depends on Black's response of course
braincrash [?\]: e16
kirkbobic [13k\]: E7
puzi [9k\]: c16
mallow [-\]: C15?
Vanya [9k?\]: d12
reed338 [17k?\]: c12
brx [13k\]: f 16, g16
puzi [9k\]: sound is rather bad by the way, sounds like a robots voice
Imoto [10k?\]: First b should create mojo (I think)
Forou [?\]: d6 0_0
reed338 [17k?\]: dont worry about the sound, its free
jramon [14k\]: R6
kerem74 [22k\]: B
reed338 [17k?\]: d12
mallow [-\]: F looks rather crazy...
Forou [?\]: E!
scKevinjf [21k\]: D
reed338 [17k?\]: F
braincrash [?\]: b
Forou [?\]: prefer d6..
Javaness [5k\]: C
Scribe [-\]: f16 is better than e16 in this position
Scribe [-\]: c16 is better than c15 in this position
Scribe [-\]: e6 is too early 
yfh2 [?\]: what if W does not fix  D6 ?
Scribe [-\]: only two moves possible for Black: c16 and f16....Mingjiu prefers c16
Bodo212 [15k\]: got it
Jadeite [19k?\]: clear thanks 
]
(;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: f14 is sente her
]
;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: to enclose the corner
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Scribe [-\]: white can continue at g16
])
(;B[en]CR[en]C[Scribe [-\]: white has more stones in this area, fighting on the left side should favor white
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[dn]CR[dn]C[Vanya [9k?\]: interesting
Forou [?\]: oh
]
;W[bm]CR[bm]TR[cn][dn][en]C[Scribe [-\]: three black stones are very weak
Forou [?\]: use as sacrifice to build black wall in center?
])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]C[totylkoja [?\]: c15
Imoto [10k?\]: What about G5 for w (later)
]
(;W[go]CR[go]C[Jadeite [19k?\]: lag
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]LB[dm:A]C[birne [1k\]: What if white plays at A now?
scKevinjf [21k\]: F16 
birne [1k\]: I meant E16
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]LB[go:A][gq:B]C[grossebaf [5k?\]: yeah
puzi [9k\]: A = e16
])
(;W[dn]CR[dn]LB[hq:A]))
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: why not
brx [13k\]: is b better than a?
]
;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Forou [?\]: yeah :)
whendrik [14k\]: Yes i can hear you
SILD [6k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: yes
reed338 [17k?\]: yes
clemi [?\]: yes !
h0029478 [11k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: hesr your question
]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ef]CR[ef]LB[ce:A]C[novae [8k\]: too heavy i think
Forou [?\]: now you just said hallo, dont know if you said anythnig else?
]
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Forou [?\]: helping white to defend.
]
;B[gd]CR[gd]TR[dk]C[Scribe [-\]: jsoeki....white is happy
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[Jadeite [19k?\]: black C15 helps white to build his left side
Bodo212 [15k\]: no
Vanya [9k?\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: normally white would play at d9 in this joseki, but here d9 is already on the board
scKevinjf [21k\]: I see
reed338 [17k?\]: nope
Scribe [-\]: white can not complete the joseki in the lower left
Scribe [-\]: by playing at d6
])
(;B[en]CR[en]TR[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: hard for black to run with the c6 stone
Scribe [-\]: white has a good way to attack this stone
Scribe [-\]: see continuation
whendrik [14k\]: Yes
Scribe [-\]: yes
Forou [?\]: yes
xDarigaaz [8k\]: yes
Bodo212 [15k\]: yes
scKevinjf [21k\]: barely
Imoto [10k?\]: well yes
MRei [?\]: yeah
reed338 [17k?\]: yes
clemi [?\]: i hear you well !
Kernel32 [3k?\]: sometimes
troll [2k\]: hello
Vanya [9k?\]: yes
Jadeite [19k?\]: can hear you, just some lag
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
;B[gn]CR[gn]C[Scribe [-\]: this direction of play makes the game very easy for white
]
(;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[gp]CR[gp]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: lag
birne [1k\]: should b play h3 (instead of h4)?
dideldum: test
braincrash [?\]: well
Jadeite [19k?\]:  hehe
braincrash [?\]: lol
whendrik [14k\]: Are you allright?
Scribe [-\]: game between two 3 dan players
scKevinjf [21k\]: lol he called them amature
reed338 [17k?\]: i think he is using dial-up
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[Jadeite [19k?\]: G6 stones stranded
seidelin [9k\]: no
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[hl]CR[hl]C[Bodo212 [15k\]: no
MRei [?\]: no
reed338 [17k?\]: no\\
])
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[Vanya [9k?\]: Be16
Scribe [-\]: this white play fails to punish black in the lower left
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Scribe [-\]: wrong direction of play
]
;W[db]CR[db]C[yfh2 [?\]: what's players rankng ?
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[fp]CR[fp])))
(;B[fd]CR[fd]C[xDarigaaz [8k\]: its hard for me to choose right joseki :)
whendrik [14k\]: Yep
Bodo212 [15k\]: thx
Vanya [9k?\]: absolutely
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: f14 is not sente here
])
(;B[dh]CR[dh]C[Forou [?\]: ah..
Imoto [10k?\]: to early I think
Forou [?\]: using c6 
reed338 [17k?\]: best
puzi [9k\]: weakens corner stone
mallow [-\]: madness, really. black will be divided and left with two weak groups
whendrik [14k\]: d14 can run out?
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Jadeite [19k?\]: W F14 
Scribe [-\]: either way one of the black stones ends up under attack
]
(;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[fc]CR[fc])
(;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[ei]CR[ei])))
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
]))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Forou [?\]: :) I also like defending the corner better:)
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[puzi [9k\]: was too complicated for me
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[Forou [?\]: white to kill?!
scKevinjf [21k\]: to kill or to save?
puzi [9k\]: didnt even find a ko
clemi [?\]: white to kill of course !
scKevinjf [21k\]: O17 
Vanya [9k?\]: p19
scKevinjf [21k\]: nvm
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[clemi [?\]: but Q18 from white doesn't seem to work either
puzi [9k\]: q19 just another order of moves :\\
scKevinjf [21k\]: R18 than?
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[Pheodax [21k?\]: oiotoshi
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Forou [?\]: black lives..
puzi [9k\]: that s19 was really annoying
Scribe [-\]: black lives
clemi [?\]: yes it's hard
])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]C[puzi [9k\]: q18 doesnt work, definitly
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[oa]CR[oa]C[Templar [?\]: Q19?
Scribe [-\]: again black lives
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Vanya [9k?\]: the same story
clemi [?\]: yes...
])
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[puzi [9k\]: i had the sequence, but i didnt see that w can let b capture...
]
(;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[Forou [?\]: oh.. 
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: ah
])
(;B[na]CR[na]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: what if black capture right now
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]C[clemi [?\]: beautiful
]
;W[qb]CR[qb])
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[mallow [-\]: Q18 then
Vanya [9k?\]: o18
Vanya [9k?\]: first move is easy
]
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pb]CR[pb])
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Forou [?\]: yeah... but how do you find such strange moves :(
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Forou [?\]: black plasy s19 first?
]
;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Vanya [9k?\]: s19
])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa]C[Forou [?\]: ah
Forou [?\]: nice
reed338 [17k?\]: yap
SoulShard [-\]: Niiiiiiice.
MRei [?\]: yes
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Vanya [9k?\]: yes
]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[totylkoja [?\]: hehehe
totylkoja [?\]: :)
]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[pa]CR[pa]))))
(;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[so]CR[so]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: what rank are these questions
]
;B[sp]CR[sp]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[op]CR[op]C[scKevinjf [21k\]: haha ok
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[puzi [9k\]: too hard for the 2ds in our club :D
]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[ae]CR[ae]C[guojuan [5p\]: Mingjiu is sick :(
kerem74 [22k\]: hope to see him well agai
Pheodax [21k?\]: yeah.. I was thinking of that. he sounded pretty ill
Forou [?\]: Oh :(
Firzen [16k\]: best wishes
SoulShard [-\]: Get better.
troll [2k\]: Is it a cold or more serious?
Pheodax [21k?\]: hello
puzi [9k\]: hear you
Pheodax [21k?\]: we can hear you again
reed338 [17k?\]: r2
au2 [4k\]: Hope he gets better soon
guojuan [5p\]: We hear you
Akala [-\]: i hear you
]
;W[qr]CR[qr]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[pr]CR[pr]C[kerem74 [22k\]: listening
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[lr]CR[lr]C[au2 [4k\]: Get some rest
troll [2k\]: hello
reed338 [17k?\]: i can hear you
hamachi [13k?\]: the sound is breking up
au2 [4k\]: bye bye and thanks
Jadeite [19k?\]: Black to play
Scribe [-\]: Homework
Pheodax [21k?\]: ok, we'll do our homework =)
Pheodax [21k?\]: thanks for everything
Scribe [-\]: Black to play
Forou [?\]: 0_0
Pheodax [21k?\]: best wishes, Mingjiu
Templar [?\]: blak too win?
guojuan [5p\]: ok I will continue 
Firzen [16k\]: bless you
kerem74 [22k\]: thanks alot
kirkbobic [13k\]: thx
Forou [?\]: thnx!
Vanya [9k?\]: thank you
MRei [?\]: thank you
guojuan [5p\]: let mingjiu rest
xDarigaaz [8k\]: thank you
murky: thank you
erokay [-\]: thx. for the lesson
grossebaf [5k?\]: thx
SILD [6k\]: thank you
erokay [-\]: :D
mallow [-\]: thanks a lot, get well soon
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
Templar [?\]: thank you
kerem74 [22k\]: take a rest
Jadeite [19k?\]: thank you mingjiu, Get well soon :)
clemi [?\]: thanks to you !
kerem74 [22k\]: see you
MRei [?\]: bye
Pheodax [21k?\]: bye!
Vanya [9k?\]: se you
whendrik [14k\]: Bye Bye
Forou [?\]: bye
erokay [-\]: bye
erokay [-\]: :)
totylkoja [?\]: CU, thx :)
birne [1k\]: thank you!
])))