(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
PW[mingjiu]PB[mingjiu]WR[7p]BR[7p]DT[2006-04-30]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[ticktock [14k\]: Hi.
Kevintju [-\]: hi
xDarigaaz [8k\]: Hi
xDarigaaz [8k\]: yes
Imoto [10k?\]: yes
mallow [-\]: yes
Domsablos [21k\]: yes 
Ogakusei [15k\]: Hi yes
rambule [10k\]: yes
Imoto [10k?\]: Do you feel better now?
pel [10k\]: hope you feel better
]
(;B[rd]CR[rd]C[xDarigaaz [8k\]: dont apologize
Ogakusei [15k\]: we are sorry for you!
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[sd]CR[sd]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Kevintju [-\]: no need to say sorry
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]C[mallow [-\]: It wasn't your fault, so no need to apologize. Hope you're better now.
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;AB[aa][ab][ac]C[mallow [-\]: shift + click
Scribe [-\]: you did F2
xDarigaaz [8k\]: hold shift
]
;B[]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[jiku [9k?\]: shift then click
Scribe [-\]: shift + click will change to only white stones
RocheL [-\]: î
mallow [-\]: F2, then hold shift and click
]
;AW[qb]AB[ad]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: no matter do which every way is easiest for you
reed338 [17k?\]: q17
agui [7k\]: |
Blaubaer [4d\]: hm s19?
JamesJoker [9k\]: live
noel [10k\]: black alive
Blaubaer [4d\]: diffic...
Candle [6k\]: P19 
noel [10k\]: no....its ko i think
denis2: what is the level of this problems?
Scribe [-\]: our level
seidelin [9k\]: our lvl
seidelin [9k\]: =)
Kevintju [-\]: lol
JamesJoker [9k\]: s19
noel [10k\]: i meant Q17 for whitw after black P19
Repacse [12k\]: T18 ?
JamesJoker [9k\]: s19
Ogakusei [15k\]: T18 yes may be
Blaubaer [4d\]: s19
noel [10k\]: R17
grunion: r19?
rambule [10k\]: what about r17 first
Repacse [12k\]: Q19 first
Uberdude [10k\]: R19 P19 T17 ?
RocheL [-\]: yep
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[Scribe [-\]: white connects out
Repacse [12k\]: nice
]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
(;B[qc]CR[qc])
(;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[sb]CR[sb])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]))
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]))
(;B[oa]CR[oa]C[rambule [10k\]: cut
noel [10k\]: Q17
oneye [12k\]: the sound is off
reed338 [17k?\]: q17
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[RocheL [-\]: the sound is on
mallow [-\]: R17 then
Candle [6k\]: difficult
]
(;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[mallow [-\]: whoops
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[ra]CR[ra])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[na]CR[na]))
(;B[sb]CR[sb]C[RocheL [-\]: s19?
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[jiku [9k?\]: S19
])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[pc]CR[pc]C[mazg [18k\]: hallo from Poland
Uberdude [10k\]: short of liberties again
mazg [18k\]: :)
RocheL [-\]: .........damned^^
Blaubaer [4d\]: hm?
Uberdude [10k\]: pass?
Candle [6k\]: instead of R17 just now
Blaubaer [4d\]: p19?
])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[reed338 [17k?\]: nice
Candle [6k\]: S19 instead?
]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[rambule [10k\]: s19
])
(;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
(;W[pc]CR[pc])
(;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Quinn [10k\]: seki
Repacse [12k\]: seki
]))
(;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[Blaubaer [4d\]: hehe
])))
(;B[qc]CR[qc]C[reed338 [17k?\]: q17
Repacse [12k\]: T17 
Ogakusei [15k\]: Q17
seidelin [9k\]: p19
Ogakusei [15k\]: we are mistify
]
(;W[oa]CR[oa]C[mallow [-\]: s19
]
(;B[qa]CR[qa]C[noel [10k\]: T17 for black is ko?
]
;W[sc]CR[sc])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[sc]CR[sc])
(;B[sc]CR[sc])
(;B[ra]CR[ra]))
(;W[ra]CR[ra]C[Uberdude [10k\]: q19
noel [10k\]: P19
Kevintju [-\]: no
Em [?\]: :)
Vanya [9k\]: no questions
noel [10k\]: i don't hav equestion anymore
noel [10k\]: :)
RocheL [-\]: we just listen carefully
]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[na]CR[na]C[Uberdude [10k\]: oooo :(
Vanya [9k\]: t18 not q19
])
(;B[oa]CR[oa]
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[sc]CR[sc]C[Scribe [-\]: ko
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc])
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[sa]CR[sa]))
(;W[sc]CR[sc]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[rc]CR[rc])
(;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[pc]CR[pc])))
(;B[sc]CR[sc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[sb]CR[sb]))
(;W[pc]CR[pc]C[RocheL [-\]: totally
]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[sc]CR[sc]C[reed338 [17k?\]: q17
Candle [6k\]: Q19 
noel [10k\]: R19
Ophelia [12k?\]: q19
]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]C[ye [12k?\]: r19
]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[ra]CR[ra]
;W[oa]CR[oa]
;B[sb]CR[sb])
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[oa]CR[oa])
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[ye [12k?\]: ok
]))))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: well known sequence
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[Quinn [10k\]: the kakari
noel [10k\]: how about the high pincer here at N16?
]
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[swilks [7k\]: but result seems undesirable for white if black plays correctly.
]
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Vanya [9k\]: m16?
hansb [5k\]: white Q17?
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]TR[eb][dc][ec][hc][dd][de]C[Grimley [5k\]: white r17 or m16?
mallow [-\]: only the first three moves of it...
Stalker [7k\]: r17 now
Repacse [12k\]: double joseki is still joseki ?
Blaubaer [4d\]: r17?
Vanya [9k\]: m16
swilks [7k\]: p18 for white?
Scribe [-\]: white needs to make use of the stones on the top left
]
(;W[qc]CR[qc]C[swilks [7k\]: r17
Ogakusei [15k\]: P17
Quinn [10k\]: only know it with the r17 exchange
noel [10k\]: white needs to push N17 against his thickness?
]
(;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
(;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Quinn [10k\]: wasnt that your last kg+ lesson? :D
Uberdude [10k\]: swilks, i tohught that too
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[pd]CR[pd]TR[rc][qd][rd][pe]C[hansb [5k\]: T15
reed338 [17k?\]: 3
hansb [5k\]: T15
]
(;B[se]CR[se]C[Scribe [-\]: must
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
(;B[rf]CR[rf]LB[kd:A]TR[jc]C[Quinn [10k\]: b
Blaubaer [4d\]: ok for b
noel [10k\]: i like black
swilks [7k\]: black
scKevinjf [19k\]: whie
reed338 [17k?\]: white
scKevinjf [19k\]: white*
agui [7k\]: black
cynewulf [10k?\]: W is a blob
mallow [-\]: neither...
Repacse [12k\]: no points for black
Vanya [9k\]: bad shape for white
Blaubaer [4d\]: o15
noel [10k\]: blöack has left and right side
hansb [5k\]: white has sente
Uberdude [10k\]: black, white looks overconcentrated/ineffiecient
ye [12k?\]: w has sente and can push down kstones
])
(;C[noel [10k\]: can't white S14 after black R14?
]
(;B[])
(;B[rf]CR[rf]LB[kd:A]TR[jc]C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu moves the k17 stone to L16, and then likes the shape for black
Candle [6k\]: why A?
ye [12k?\]: and why not m16?
Scribe [-\]: with K17 moved to L16 its hard for White to attack Black
swilks [7k\]: can black give up n17 and try to attaqck white left side
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
(;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[Uberdude [10k\]: the othwer variation b can run out chasing d15 too?
]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Scribe [-\]: not a good shape for black on top
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[noel [10k\]: K18?
Vanya [9k\]: resign?
nitram1 [8k\]: j18
]
(;B[jb]CR[jb]C[Scribe [-\]: how can black continue ?
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[RocheL [-\]: m19?ladder?
])
(;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[ligo [?\]: worse
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[je]CR[je]C[Scribe [-\]: white is better
])
(;B[je]CR[je]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[jf]CR[jf])))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[Repacse [12k\]: very thick
ligo [?\]: low
Scribe [-\]: black isolated
]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: severe move M16
]
;W[je]CR[je]))))
(;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Blaubaer [4d\]: t15
hansb [5k\]: white T15
]
;W[se]CR[se]C[Scribe [-\]: big black mistake
]))
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Scribe [-\]: better for black than to play at k17
]))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[Scribe [-\]: white gave a lot of territory to black on top left, must use those stones to develop
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: correct move for black is p17
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu prefers this
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[Vanya [9k\]: black has large corner
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[Vanya [9k\]: white has np territory and bad aji
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[agui [7k\]: black
swilks [7k\]: black better
Scribe [-\]: better for Black
Repacse [12k\]: H17 looks lonely now
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
noel [10k\]: yes, i think so
Scribe [-\]: in place of pincer....black p17 overconcentrate white ??
Quinn [10k\]: yes
ticktock [14k\]: yes
])
(;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Quinn [10k\]: is that joseki? o.O
]
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
(;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qa]CR[qa]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Vanya [9k\]: white is under attack
Quinn [10k\]: b got 2 weak groups
Kevintju [-\]: white is floating
cynewulf [10k?\]: B is attacking himself
])
(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[ja]CR[ja]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[mb]CR[mb])))
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[hansb [5k\]: so it could be better!
noel [10k\]: second i thik
]
;B[pa]CR[pa]C[jiku [9k?\]: this one 
Blaubaer [4d\]: hm this?
]
;W[md]CR[md]LB[ma:B][na:A][mc:C]TR[qc][rc][rf]C[cynewulf [10k?\]: this hurts n17 more
Vanya [9k\]: this shape is better
Quinn [10k\]: i like the 1st one
clemi [?\]: ponuki
Scribe [-\]: this is much better result for white
Scribe [-\]: sente to white: o19 and, n19
Scribe [-\]: more aji left in r17 and s17
Scribe [-\]: white is ahead in this diagram
]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Vanya [9k\]: almost equal
hansb [5k\]: nice for whie, but could be better
]))))
(;W[ld]CR[ld]C[Blackstorm [9k\]: is it good when s play first 14 r w r 17 s17 w q 17 s s18 ?
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
(;B[nb]CR[nb])
(;B[md]CR[md]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[nb]CR[nb]))
(;W[oc]CR[oc])))
(;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: split with jump
Scribe [-\]: black p17 overconcentrate white ?
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[ne]CR[ne]TR[mc]))
(;B[pf]CR[pf]C[swilks [7k\]: is p16 bad for white then?  looks natural.
Vanya [9k\]: yes
jiku [9k?\]: yes
noel [10k\]: yes
agui [7k\]: yes thanks
Janez [3k\]: yes
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: preferred by Mingjiu
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[re]CR[re]
(;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Blackstorm [9k\]: whats about if q 14 at r 14 ?
])
(;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[ne]CR[ne]C[Vanya [9k\]: overconcentration for white
]
;W[mc]CR[mc]C[noel [10k\]: looks low
Stalker [7k\]: low
jiku [9k?\]: W looks low
agui [7k\]: no
])
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[hansb [5k\]: K17?
noel [10k\]: P14 instead?
Scribe [-\]: still okay for balck
]))
(;B[oe]CR[oe]))
(;B[qa]CR[qa]
;AW[rb][kc][lc][oc][rc][md][qd][le][ne][oe][pe][re]AB[pb][qb][nc][qc][nd][od][pd]C[noel [10k\]: just shift + click
denis2: hold shift all the time
Uberdude [10k\]: hold down shift, or press caps lock, so you dont need to keep down shift
Blackstorm [9k\]: not all the time ^^
noel [10k\]: i think we're confusing him a little ;)
rollingpin: Yay!
Vanya [9k\]: O18 may be
Scribe [-\]: White's turn
bigfish [?\]: N18
au2 [4k\]: THANKS FOR THE LECTURE
murky: Thank you very much
Vanya [9k\]: thank you very much
SoulShard [-\]: thanks for the lecture.
swilks [7k\]: thank you.
mallow [-\]: thanks a lot
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
hansb [5k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu
noel [10k\]: thank you
Blackstorm [9k\]: thx
grunion: thank you
iddonaim [26k\]: thank you
jiku [9k?\]: thank you
aleph0 [-\]: thank you
Uberdude [10k\]: thanks to mingjiu, scribe and ing
Domsablos [21k\]: thankoyu ^_^
Repacse [12k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
au2 [4k\]: THANKS TO SCRIBE
bigfish [?\]: Thanks
Vanya [9k\]: see you
clemi [?\]: thanks !
agui [7k\]: Thank you very much
]))