(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] PW[guojuan]PB[guojuan]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-05-21]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[hoppla [7k\]: hello murky: hi Bodo212 [15k\]: good afternoon whendrik [13k\]: Hello Scribe [-\]: Nihao GuoJuan Laoshi blitzme [6k\]: hi Codexus [15k\]: hello bado [20k?\]: hi kJaz [16k\]: hi Blackstorm [9k\]: is r 17 or q 17 in the situation better ? Dance [12k\]: bla bla is good Nebel [14k?\]: :) bullgrim [15k\]: ^^ aditsu [8k\]: you blah blah but didn't answer his question Tipx [25k?\]: :-) Blackstorm [9k\]: yeah :P Blackstorm [9k\]: a game Blackstorm [9k\]: :( oh oh Forou [?\]: np seidelin [9k\]: those are good Tipx [25k?\]: ♫ Forou [?\]: who is playing in this interesting game? Blackstorm [9k\]: who is playing ther: ?? aditsu [8k\]: you can use one of my games if you can't find that one ^^ Tipx [25k?\]: ∟■░╕ Wook [-\]: Tipx please stop Tipx [25k?\]: sry ] (;AW[qf][qi]AB[lc][oc][qd]C[Scribe [-\]: Today's subject: Invasion of Corner Enclosures cemo [11k\]: yes whendrik [13k\]: yes Codexus [15k\]: yes Blackstorm [9k\]: yes i do :P mallow [13k?\]: not very, perhaps, but strong ] ;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: s15 is quite okay for endgame play hoppla [7k\]: q17 mallow [13k?\]: S16? kJaz [16k\]: S16 whendrik [13k\]: q17? Blackstorm [9k\]: r 17 hansb [5k?\]: Q17? blitzme [6k\]: o 17 RetroGen [18k\]: S16 ] (;W[re]CR[re]C[Scribe [-\]: r17 will be killed but whtie reduces the corner from the edge in sente ] ;B[rd]CR[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: Black is indeed very strong ] ;W[sd]CR[sd] ;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[se]CR[se] ;B[rb]CR[rb]) (;W[qc]CR[qc]C[RetroGen [18k\]: ctr+shift+click color you want to play next Kerrick [16k?\]: i think jujo was here last week playmore [1d\]: what if B R15 in respons to R17? Scribe [-\]: black must play q17 or ko with s16 ] (;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[rc]CR[rc] ;W[re]CR[re] ;B[]LB[qb:A]C[Kamyk [1d\]: but black has aji :) ] (;W[qb]CR[qb]LB[rb:A][pd:B]C[Kamyk [1d\]: aji RetroGen [18k\]: miai Nebel [14k?\]: miai RetroGen [18k\]: reflecting moves ]) (;W[]C[RetroGen [18k\]: Aji and miai hasoften things to do together :D ])) (;B[rd]CR[rd]C[aditsu [8k\]: but b can only take if w tenuki ] ;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[nc]CR[nc]C[whendrik [13k\]: s18 ] (;W[rc]CR[rc]C[agui [7k?\]: R18 Scribe [-\]: Critical move ] ;B[nb]CR[nb]C[hansb [5k?\]: ko hoppla [7k\]: ko playmore [1d\]: P19ko jhkk: p19 Scribe [-\]: three steps to kill this shape (big pig's snout) ] (;W[oa]CR[oa]C[geearf [20k?\]: P19 ] ;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[ra]CR[ra] ;W[qa]CR[qa]C[aditsu [8k\]: nvm playmore [1d\]: R18 hansb [5k?\]: R18 RetroGen [18k\]: S18 agui [7k?\]: s18 ] (;B[qb]CR[qb]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: R18 ] ;W[pb]CR[pb]) (;B[rb]CR[rb] ;W[qb]CR[qb]C[RetroGen [18k\]: WHops :) Scribe [-\]: black dies Nebel [14k?\]: snapback ])) (;W[pa]CR[pa] ;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[ra]CR[ra] ;W[qb]CR[qb] ;B[na]CR[na]C[RetroGen [18k\]: ((Does jujo have lessons still? :)) ])) (;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mb]CR[mb] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[pa]CR[pa] ;B[sc]CR[sc] ;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[ra]CR[ra]C[Kanako16 [25k\]: snout wingnut [-\]: pigs snout hansb [5k?\]: snout rayen [7k\]: :p wingnut [-\]: snout = nose hansb [5k?\]: rhymes with loud RetroGen [18k\]: (Goretusk snout pie) ])) (;B[rc]CR[rc] ;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[rd]CR[rd] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[nc]CR[nc]C[RetroGen [18k\]: ((Ah I just asked cause I havn't see his lessons yet but heard he is good (and text like this is non lesson related so don't pay attention;))) ] (;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mb]CR[mb] ;W[sb]CR[sb]C[Blackstorm [9k\]: black Blackstorm [9k\]: :P ] ;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: white is alive ] ;W[od]CR[od]) (;W[sb]CR[sb] ;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: there remains cutting points outside in black hansb [5k?\]: R19 geearf [20k?\]: q19? Uberdude [9k\]: R19 Blackstorm [9k\]: q 18 hoppla [7k\]: r19 Nebel [14k?\]: q19 whendrik [13k\]: q18 Uvas [-\]: q19 hoppla [7k\]: sorry Domsablos [21k\]: Q19 RetroGen [18k\]: Q19 XuShuyi [19k\]: r19 Uberdude [9k\]: P19 leperenoel [-\]: S19? RetroGen [18k\]: Or then O19 Scribe [-\]: p19 is the best white move ] (;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[pb]CR[pb]TR[na][nb]C[Uvas [-\]: ! ]) (;W[pb]CR[pb] ;B[oa]CR[oa]C[Nebel [14k?\]: oh, it was w turn ] ;W[pa]CR[pa] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[qa]CR[qa]C[geearf [20k?\]: ooh ]))) (;B[pd]CR[pd]C[RetroGen [18k\]: ((Fin-Can Finland is leading 4-0)) Sekimoto [5k\]: ko? mallow [13k?\]: S16, I'd say Blackstorm [9k\]: s 16 hoppla [7k\]: ko LaMomia [11k?\]: S16 Nebel [14k?\]: s16 hayvanicaz: s16 ] ;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[re]CR[re] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[qe]CR[qe] (;W[pb]CR[pb]) (;W[rf]CR[rf] ;B[se]CR[se] ;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives with q18 ]))) (;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: no choice ] ;W[ob]CR[ob] (;B[pb]CR[pb] ;W[nc]CR[nc]) (;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[qc]CR[qc]C[Scribe [-\]: p18 only choice for white hansb [5k?\]: S16 geearf [20k?\]: s17? leperenoel [-\]: S17? ] (;B[rd]CR[rd]C[sushi1 [15k\]: O18 Uvas [-\]: s17 playmore [1d\]: S16 Scribe [-\]: s16 best move for black ] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[nb]CR[nb]C[Uvas [-\]: ok hoppla [7k\]: ah Scribe [-\]: result is ko ] ;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[qa]CR[qa]C[whendrik [13k\]: S19 ]) (;B[rc]CR[rc] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[rd]CR[rd] ;W[nb]CR[nb] ;B[mb]CR[mb]C[Scribe [-\]: white lives ] ;W[sb]CR[sb])))) (;AW[ol][ql][pp]AB[oc][qd][oj][qj]C[aditsu [8k\]: Q17 apparently better bigfish [?\]: hello ] ;B[]C[rayen [7k\]: connect or run playmore [1d\]: in basic diagram what if B R9 ? Codexus [15k\]: don't worry, we like to hear your voice ] (;W[rj]CR[rj] (;B[ri]CR[ri] ;W[rk]CR[rk] ;B[qh]CR[qh]) (;B[rk]CR[rk])) (;W[rk]CR[rk] ;B[rj]CR[rj] ;W[sj]CR[sj] ;B[si]CR[si] ;W[sk]CR[sk] ;B[rh]CR[rh]) (;W[oh]CR[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: both s9 and s10 are sente endgame moves ] ;B[qh]CR[qh]) (;W[qh]CR[qh]C[wingnut [-\]: R12 rayen [7k\]: yup smudge [?\]: direct invasion Codexus [15k\]: invasion is more fun than reduction :) LaMomia [11k?\]: play closer to friendlies sai5000: לא ] (;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: r12 invades closest to the weakest black stones ] ;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Scribe [-\]: p10 stone now isolated ] (;B[rk]CR[rk] ;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[ri]CR[ri] ;W[pj]CR[pj] ;B[qi]CR[qi] ;W[pi]CR[pi]) (;B[ri]CR[ri] ;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[rk]CR[rk] ;W[pj]CR[pj] ;B[qk]CR[qk] ;W[pk]CR[pk])) (;B[rj]CR[rj] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[mj]CR[mj]C[Fragga [9k\]: maybe s q3 after r12 .. ] ;W[mh]CR[mh]C[seidelin [9k\]: =) hoppla [7k\]: oui Scribe [-\]: r14 results in white running alone, r12 results in black and white running together Tipx [25k?\]: חחח Uberdude [9k\]: but how about S10 at S9 , to hurt w territory? ]) (;B[oh]CR[oh]C[Fragga [9k\]: q8 Fragga [9k\]: whoops bigfish [?\]: r9 LaMomia [11k?\]: cap\] Scribe [-\]: Black p12 is best move for Black in this case Fragga [9k\]: argh q9 .. i am so stupid ;) cant even wwrite right Dance [12k\]: =) Forou [?\]: ^_^ ] ;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Spartan101 [5k?\]: R15 sabaki Scribe [-\]: touch strong stone to settle Jadeite [19k?\]: hehe# Scribe [-\]: do not be afraid, invade with courage ] (;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Tipx [25k?\]: where the eyes? wingnut [-\]: S14 ] ;W[rj]CR[rj]C[bigfish [?\]: s1`4 ] ;B[rk]CR[rk]C[Scribe [-\]: middle game joseki ] (;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[ri]CR[ri] ;B[qk]CR[qk] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[ni]CR[ni] (;W[re]CR[re]LB[nh:A][nj:B]C[Scribe [-\]: white lived Scribe [-\]: Black has two cytting points that White will exploit ]) (;W[rf]CR[rf])) (;W[ri]CR[ri]C[Reveal [1k\]: but that damaged R8 ? no ? ] ;B[qk]CR[qk] ;W[pi]CR[pi] (;B[pj]CR[pj]) (;B[ok]CR[ok]C[Scribe [-\]: q11 is critical move, and critical timing hoppla [7k\]: oui Nebel [14k?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: q11 must preceed s11 ])) (;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[ri]CR[ri] ;W[pj]CR[pj] ;B[qi]CR[qi] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[ph]CR[ph]LB[oh:A][pk:B] ;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[qg]CR[qg] ;W[rh]CR[rh] ;B[sj]CR[sj]C[Scribe [-\]: white in trouble ] ;W[rg]CR[rg]C[BurnEmDown [18k\]: w S12 before Q9 Scribe [-\]: white dead ] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: black lives on edge Zp [17k\]: bad for white ] ;B[pe]CR[pe] (;W[re]CR[re] ;B[rl]CR[rl]C[Fragga [9k\]: why dont atari first no difference? ]) (;W[rl]CR[rl] ;B[re]CR[re] ;W[sl]CR[sl] ;B[sk]CR[sk] ;W[sg]CR[sg]C[hoppla [7k\]: si Domsablos [21k\]: T14 ? playmore [1d\]: T11 Reveal [1k\]: T11 hansb [5k?\]: t11 Uberdude [9k\]: T11 mallow [13k?\]: T11 aditsu [8k\]: T11 Zp [17k\]: T12 ] ;B[si]CR[si]C[hoppla [7k\]: damezumari Scribe [-\]: no white can never atari Uvas [-\]: ^^ iplayhere [9k\]: :) Forou [?\]: no! we want to hear! LaMomia [11k?\]: :-) playmore [1d\]: Guo Juan, I got a question seidelin [9k\]: =) hoppla [7k\]: :-) hansb [5k?\]: audio without sound? Tipx [25k?\]: =) ]))) (;B[rd]CR[rd] ;W[oe]CR[oe]) (;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[rd]CR[rd]C[LaMomia [11k?\]: no fear ] ;W[og]CR[og]) (;B[re]CR[re] (;W[rf]CR[rf]) (;W[pd]CR[pd])))) (;W[qf]CR[qf]C[hansb [5k?\]: threatens to connect Uberdude [9k\]: threaten to connect at s10 rayen [7k\]: becuase you have 2 ways to escape mallow [13k?\]: R12 threatens to link under Forou [?\]: dont play close to strong groups whendrik [13k\]: 2 ways to escape on other point? bigfish [?\]: not sente wingnut [-\]: R12 can connect to R8 or run out Scribe [-\]: one important point regarding invasion is not to damage the outside too much ] ;B[qh]CR[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: hasami == pincer ] ;W[of]CR[of]C[Scribe [-\]: hasami literally are scissorts ] ;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Scribe [-\]: scissors ] ;W[mf]CR[mf] ;B[mj]CR[mj] ;W[kf]CR[kf] ;B[jd]CR[jd]C[Scribe [-\]: white runs alone....never run alone Scribe [-\]: white runs....black gets territory hoppla [7k\]: yes ])) (;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dc]CR[dc] ;B[dp]CR[dp] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[cg]CR[cg] ;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[cd]CR[cd]C[murky: how many 10 yr old students do you have? ] ;B[dd]CR[dd] ;W[bc]CR[bc] ;B[cb]CR[cb]C[Uberdude [9k\]: go make a new room if you want to test alt characters Forou [?\]: 6 years wow ! ] ;W[ec]CR[ec]C[Uberdude [9k\]: he was white? Codexus [15k\]: we should learn the bad ones too so that we know how to answer them, i think Berker [?\]: haha TenukiBoy [6k\]: a good trick move is just a good move ?? ^^ Scribe [-\]: good trick moves, allow you opponent to answer correctly without hurting your position hoppla [7k\]: b16 Berker [?\]: :) playmore [1d\]: B16 C15 C14 B15 B14 D13 ] ;B[bd]CR[bd]C[Reveal [1k\]: shibori ] ;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Sekimoto [5k\]: C14 hoppla [7k\]: c14 bigfish [?\]: c15 ] (;B[be]CR[be] ;W[cf]CR[cf]C[Dance [12k\]: yes ] ;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[ef]CR[ef]LB[kc:1][qj:2][ck:4][jq:3]C[whendrik [13k\]: :) aditsu [8k\]: f00d Forou [?\]: 0_0 Blackstorm [9k\]: hamete TenukiBoy [6k\]: lol murky: we need to know both types Scribe [-\]: There are two types of trick moves...good ones and bad ones. Berker [?\]: i like that move aditsu [8k\]: bad ones are good for handi games Wook [-\]: good trick move = hurt your opponent; bad trick move = hurt yourself :) Scribe [-\]: horrible for Black...corner very small, white outside very strong jhkk: 4 Scribe [-\]: there are currently four open areas bigfish [?\]: K17 bigest Scribe [-\]: there are currently no urgent moves bigfish [?\]: 1 Uberdude [9k\]: 1? Blackstorm [9k\]: 1 TenukiBoy [6k\]: 1 sushi1 [15k\]: 3 hoppla [7k\]: 1 oeillet [7k?\]: 1 Scribe [-\]: Black much choose the biggest open area luky777 [25k?\]: 1 xix [19k?\]: 1 wetnose [13k\]: 1 bado [20k?\]: 1 ] (;B[qj]CR[qj] ;W[nc]CR[nc]C[bigfish [?\]: who won Scribe [-\]: ?? TenukiBoy [6k\]: yay Guojuan, Scribe's question is intresting !!!!! Berker [?\]: thx ] (;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: actually white gains more from o16 than black does Scribe [-\]: when is o16 proper ? Fragga [9k\]: i like it too iam guilty Nebel [14k?\]: pincer seidelin [9k\]: doh, i liked it! murky: I hate it when my opponent plays it Scribe [-\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper ] (;W[kd]CR[kd]C[hoppla [7k\]: si ]) (;W[kc]CR[kc] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[md]CR[md] ;B[ne]CR[ne] ;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[pc]CR[pc])) (;B[nd]CR[nd]C[Fragga [9k\]: attend and attach makes white stronger in the wrong direction Scribe [-\]: o16 is played so often Scribe [-\]: agains o16 helps white more than black bigfish [?\]: I don't like it bigfish [?\]: I hate it murky: GOMuJu? aditsu [8k\]: she can't see.. sushi1 [15k\]: i see most poeple do M17 - is it good Forou [?\]: when is this move good? Scribe [-\]: try to forget the o16 move...rarely useful murky: handi game is ok? ] ;W[md]CR[md] ;B[ne]CR[ne] ;W[oc]CR[oc]C[hoppla [7k\]: no Reveal [1k\]: but black has forcing moves to help him invade Forou [?\]: no ^_^ ] ;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[lc]CR[lc]C[Scribe [-\]: very funny hoppla [7k\]: yes seidelin [9k\]: yes Forou [?\]: lOl RocheL [-\]: tim burton film ] (;B[pf]CR[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: black thinks that the right side is becoming big ]) (;B[] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[oe]CR[oe] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[qe]CR[qe] ;B[qf]CR[qf] ;W[rd]CR[rd] (;B[rf]CR[rf] ;W[pb]CR[pb]) (;B[rc]CR[rc] ;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: o16 touches weak white stone and makes white much stronger ] ;B[rg]CR[rg] (;W[qc]CR[qc]) (;W[qg]CR[qg])))) (;B[kd]CR[kd]) (;B[ld]CR[ld]C[wetnose [13k\]: yay LaMomia [11k?\]: M16 Scribe [-\]: fighting moves at m16 or L16 kJaz [16k\]: why tight pincer? Scribe [-\]: possible moves here Scribe [-\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper ?? Berker [?\]: Where can i find out lesson times and subjects??? Scribe [-\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper Scribe [-\]: ??? Nebel [14k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngGoeInternetClass aditsu [8k\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper?? Fragga [9k\]: why play high pincer and not a low one m17 or l17 Fragga [9k\]: as balck i guess so ] (;W[ne]CR[ne]C[LaMomia [11k?\]: I allways use it, pros are copying my moves? ] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[pb]CR[pb] ;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Forou [?\]: lOl first teacher ever to say if you want to fight , FIGHT it is in your nature then :D ] ;W[lb]CR[lb]C[aditsu [8k\]: d'oh... Uberdude [9k\]: "Scribe [-\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper??" ] ;B[me]CR[me]C[Scribe [-\]: become a very popular joseki Jadeite [19k?\]: maybe next week - along with Monkey Jump lesson :) ] ;W[nf]CR[nf] ;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[mb]CR[mb] ;B[nd]CR[nd] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Scribe [-\]: very severe black attack aditsu [8k\]: can you show an example of when o16 is proper?? ]) (;W[qc]CR[qc] ;B[qd]CR[qd] ;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[nd]CR[nd]LB[kd:A])) (;B[lc]CR[lc]C[aditsu [8k\]: better chances to get an answer from a tree BurnEmDown [18k\]: lol Bodo212 [15k\]: thx au2 [3k\]: THANKS - GREAT LECTURE BurnEmDown [18k\]: tnx Forou [?\]: thank you! Scribe [-\]: Xiexie GuoJuan quatschi [12k\]: thx bado [20k?\]: thanx you Taiyang [24k?\]: thanx Blackstorm [9k\]: thx luky777 [25k?\]: thx Dance [12k\]: thank you very much for the lesson ruger [14k?\]: thx roadgrey: thanks! seidelin [9k\]: thank you mallow [13k?\]: thanks a lot AllyAxis [10k\]: thank you Duedi [20k\]: thx whendrik [13k\]: Thank you Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation LPDavid [17k\]: Thank you Codexus [15k\]: thanks, lots of interesting things today XuShuyi [19k\]: thx ^^ blitzme [6k\]: thx for the nice lession Nebel [14k?\]: thx au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION Forou [?\]: Xiexie? Templar [15k?\]: thank you, that was very interesting Fragga [9k\]: Thank you :) kJaz [16k\]: Thank you, very useful LaMomia [11k?\]: thank you Very Much! tibra [10k?\]: thank you a lot iplayhere [9k\]: thx guojuan and Scribe¡¡¡ au2 [3k\]: THANKS SCRIBE sushi1 [15k\]: what about girls? LT [12k?\]: thx Janez [2k\]: thx oradlian [6k\]: thank you kirschi [14k\]: thanks Damir [8k\]: tanks Tipx [25k?\]: thank you :-) bullgrim [15k\]: thanks Berker [?\]: I love you Mo [13k\]: arigato Dance [12k\]: thank you Scribe =D ])) (;B[mc]CR[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: the biggest is the top due to White's strength on the top left....Black must play top bigfish [?\]: who won Scribe [-\]: even though the right side is wider (so is bottom) the top is move valuable to white, so black must play on top before white ] ;W[qj]CR[qj] ;B[nq]CR[nq])) (;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[bf]CR[bf] ;W[ad]CR[ad] ;B[dg]CR[dg]C[hoppla [7k\]: oui Berker [?\]: yes alive hoppla [7k\]: ko playmore [1d\]: flower ko in the corner Reveal [1k\]: hanami ko ] (;W[bb]CR[bb]C[sushi1 [15k\]: w lives ] ;B[fd]CR[fd]) (;W[] ;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[ab]CR[ab] ;B[af]CR[af] ;W[ae]CR[ae] (;B[ca]CR[ca]C[Uberdude [9k\]: b has to make 1st threat oeillet [7k?\]: a19 first Forou [?\]: :D ] (;W[db]CR[db]C[bigfish [?\]: a19 first ] ;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Berker [?\]: W dead hoppla [7k\]: bad Blackstorm [9k\]: no ]) (;W[aa]CR[aa]C[hoppla [7k\]: w takes first ] ;B[ba]CR[ba] ;W[db]CR[db] ;B[ac]CR[ac] ;W[ab]CR[ab]C[Berker [?\]: Wow ])) (;B[aa]CR[aa]C[Scribe [-\]: c18 is horrible mistake ] ;W[ba]CR[ba] ;B[ca]CR[ca]C[hoppla [7k\]: 2 step ko Scribe [-\]: Black must throw in at a19 before playing c18 hoppla [7k\]: ;-( ])))))