(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] PW[White]PB[Black]WR[5p]BR[5p]DT[2006-06-18]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[agui [6k?\]: Hello xDarigaaz [7k?\]: Hi again :) kerem74 [18k\]: selam noel [10k\]: hello Mysterious [22k\]: Hello. soupspoon: greetings! kerem74 [18k\]: np kerem74 [18k\]: :) MRei [?\]: hello ] (;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dc]CR[dc] ;B[pq]CR[pq] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[de]CR[de] (;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Jadeite [18k?\]: our monkey jump lecture soon? :p Scribe [-\]: white has more territory than before and large endgame potential after f17 ] ;B[cc]CR[cc] (;W[cb]CR[cb]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki ] ;B[cd]CR[cd] ;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Scribe [-\]: classic joseki, not used in pro games anymore ] (;B[ci]CR[ci]C[playmore [1d\]: why C13 not at D13? ] (;W[co]CR[co]C[Scribe [-\]: white very strong but not many points in upper left etl3: slow rayen [6k\]: good rayen [6k\]: really ? fonly [8k\]: r5 better? etl3: Yeah, I think this is too slow. etl3: better to approach another corner kerem74 [18k\]: isnt it good for the corner noel [10k\]: i think its a bit slow, black can build up myo with e.g. R9 Zef [25k?\]: need to attack Q3 first to avoid R9 / R5 xDarigaaz [7k?\]: black has nice continue? lifeisgood [-\]: other areas are more open Grimley [5k\]: c9 is continuation Wook [-\]: A black move in the lower center serves as an extension from the black left corner now and blocks whites smimari at the same time playmore [1d\]: C9 better rayen [6k\]: C6 better ? Grimley [5k\]: but now c5 is one too far from c9 rayen [6k\]: I vote for c6 ivanho [9k\]: no pressure on the black group? quasigoose [-\]: maybe W to check with C9 kerem74 [18k\]: yes ivanho [9k\]: yes Grimley [5k\]: so first c9 and then c6 or the other way around? FransCV [10k\]: what about c6 first? ] (;B[cm]CR[cm]C[mallow [9k?\]: A13 makes white live, doesn't it? then A17 and B19 kill black (I think) rayen [6k\]: I dont like it shuuin [17k\]: c8 better rayen [6k\]: becuase white is fine Grimley [5k\]: not an interesting side etl3: White C9? mallow [9k?\]: White C9 tablescrap [8k?\]: overplay rayen [6k\]: and can C9 agui [6k?\]: C9 rayen [6k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: BIG invasion at c9 ][mallow [9k?\]: A13 makes white live, doesn't it? then A17 and B19 kill black (I think) rayen [6k\]: I dont like it shuuin [17k\]: c8 better rayen [6k\]: becuase white is fine Grimley [5k\]: not an interesting side etl3: White C9? mallow [9k?\]: White C9 tablescrap [8k?\]: overplay rayen [6k\]: and can C9 agui [6k?\]: C9 rayen [6k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: BIG invasion at c9 ] (;W[jq]CR[jq] ;B[qk]CR[qk] ;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[pf]CR[pf] ;W[mq]CR[mq] ;B[po]CR[po] (;W[ff]CR[ff]C[Grimley [5k\]: bad rayen [6k\]: too early Scribe [-\]: slack Grimley [5k\]: should be e14 etl3: Black M176 noel [10k\]: not enough pressure? etl3: M17^ mallow [9k?\]: aji keshi? seidelin [9k\]: i like it Scribe [-\]: f14 is gote Vanya [10k?\]: what if D10 , not E7 ? ] (;B[kd]CR[kd]C[agui [6k?\]: doesn't put too press on black ] (;W[qc]CR[qc] ;B[pc]CR[pc] ;W[pb]CR[pb] ;B[ob]CR[ob] ;W[rb]CR[rb] ;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[rf]CR[rf] ;B[pa]CR[pa] ;W[qb]CR[qb]TR[co][dq]SQ[jq][mq]C[quasigoose [-\]: E3 maybe etl3: The triangles FransCV [10k\]: corner rayen [6k\]: triangles fonly [8k\]: corner Ordiac [8k\]: square i think Mysterious [22k\]: triangles rayen [6k\]: thx FransCV [10k\]: ok thanks Stormer [7k\]: thank you Hiul [14k\]: thanks noel [10k\]: thank you for the lesson Hu [13k?\]: Thank you for a good lesson! agui [6k?\]: ok ,Very good lesson !!! lifeisgood [-\]: thanks ljl [13k\]: thx seidelin [9k\]: thanks VincentMA [-\]: Thank you very much Jadeite [18k?\]: thank you abbadan [?\]: thanks Zef [25k?\]: thanks a lot etl3: Thank you for the lesson. Vanya [10k?\]: thank you for the lecture Mysterious [22k\]: thank you xDarigaaz [7k?\]: thank you very much SoulShard [-\]: Thanks for the lesson! MRei [?\]: thank you smudge [?\]: Many good things to remember. Thank you, Guo Juan! quasigoose [-\]: thank you tibra [16k?\]: a lot, thank you Ordiac [8k\]: hehehe Thx ruger [14k?\]: thx murky: we'v learnt a lot au2 [3k\]: GREAT LECTURE - THANKS au2 [3k\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION Slarty [-\]: thanks! Janez [2k\]: thx kerem74 [18k\]: thx murky: come often PLEASE FransCV [10k\]: ok cu next time wholeboard [7k\]: thank you omfgrateg [18k\]: thakn you agui [6k?\]: Ok Thank you very much !!! Kathi [15k\]: many thanks BSY [13k\]: thx mallow [9k?\]: thanks a lot shuuin [17k\]: arigatou gozaimasu Hiul [14k\]: c u emot [10k\]: thank you Zark [3k\]: thank you tenrai [-\]: Thanks au2 [3k\]: Thanks Scribe rayen [6k\]: cya quasigoose [-\]: thx seidelin [9k\]: great agui [6k?\]: See you next time kerem74 [18k\]: c u abbadan [?\]: See you! MRei [?\]: bye rayen [6k\]: thx to scribe to :) xDarigaaz [7k?\]: bye murky: bye Vanya [10k?\]: bye SoulShard [-\]: Bye! etl3: Bye agui [6k?\]: bye monchacha [10k\]: thank y0u very much\\\\ Mysterious [22k\]: bye Hiul [14k\]: bye Ordiac [8k\]: bye noel [10k\]: bye soupspoon: bye bye au2 [3k\]: have a great week au2 [3k\]: bye bye ljl [13k\]: good job scribe abbadan [?\]: thanks, Scribe! ] (;B[fp]CR[fp]C[jonestown [-\]: uuugghhh Ordiac [8k\]: i cant like f4 rayen [6k\]: I would protect D8 ] ;W[eo]CR[eo] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[en]CR[en] ;B[jo]CR[jo] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[bj]CR[bj] ;B[cj]CR[cj] ;W[bl]CR[bl] ;B[dk]CR[dk] ;W[cl]CR[cl] ;B[dl]CR[dl] ;W[dm]CR[dm] ;B[em]CR[em] ;W[dn]CR[dn] ;B[fm]CR[fm] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[fn]CR[fn] ;B[gm]CR[gm] ;W[gn]CR[gn] ;B[] (;W[qm]CR[qm] (;B[pm]CR[pm] ;W[qn]CR[qn] (;B[pl]CR[pl] ;W[rq]CR[rq]) (;B[pn]CR[pn] ;W[ql]CR[ql] (;B[pl]CR[pl] ;W[rk]CR[rk]) (;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[rq]CR[rq]))) (;B[pl]CR[pl] ;W[qp]CR[qp] ;B[pp]CR[pp] (;W[qq]CR[qq] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[ro]CR[ro] ;B[rn]CR[rn] ;W[rp]CR[rp] ;B[qn]CR[qn] ;W[pr]CR[pr] ;B[or]CR[or] ;W[qr]CR[qr]) (;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[qq]CR[qq] ;W[pm]CR[pm] ;B[om]CR[om] ;W[rk]CR[rk] ;B[rj]CR[rj] ;W[rl]CR[rl]))) (;W[pn]CR[pn] (;B[qn]CR[qn] ;W[qm]CR[qm] ;B[pm]CR[pm] ;W[on]CR[on] ;B[om]CR[om] ;W[qo]CR[qo] ;B[rn]CR[rn] ;W[nn]CR[nn] ;B[ro]CR[ro] ;W[nm]CR[nm] ;B[ok]CR[ok] ;W[nk]CR[nk]) (;B[oo]CR[oo] ;W[pl]CR[pl] ;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[ol]CR[ol]))) (;B[ip]CR[ip] ;W[jp]CR[jp] ;B[io]CR[io] ;W[jo]CR[jo] ;B[in]CR[in]C[Karamfil [14k\]: the shimari is stronger seidelin [9k\]: reduction ]) (;B[fq]CR[fq] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[fo]CR[fo] ;W[dm]CR[dm]C[quasigoose [-\]: so cant B play E3 D4 D2 C2 H3 ? FransCV [10k\]: yes noel [10k\]: yes agui [6k?\]: yes thanks tenrai [-\]: -_- rayen [6k\]: thank you Scribe [-\]: f4 was wrong direction of play....attack the two weaker stones, not the two stronger stones....corner is stronger shuuin [17k\]: T_T Scribe [-\]: review: noel [10k\]: upper left? Ordiac [8k\]: create cutting points agui [6k?\]: efficiency kerem74 [18k\]: upper left ]) (;B[hq]CR[hq]C[etl3: H3 FransCV [10k\]: h BSY [13k\]: H3 rayen [6k\]: H3 agui [6k?\]: H3 kerem74 [18k\]: h3 Mysterious [22k\]: h3 Hiul [14k\]: h3 ] ;W[fq]CR[fq]C[jonestown [-\]: e3 test ok? ] ;B[ip]CR[ip])) (;W[cg]CR[cg]C[Grimley [5k\]: no it's good noel [10k\]: i like headache ] ;B[dg]CR[dg]LB[ck:A]C[Scribe [-\]: white does not have stone at c9 to work with ! ] (;W[ch]CR[ch] ;B[dh]CR[dh] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[cj]CR[cj]) (;W[dh]CR[dh] ;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[df]CR[df] ;B[eg]CR[eg] ;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[bg]CR[bg]C[noel [10k\]: good for white Vanya [10k?\]: net ljl [13k\]: w seidelin [9k\]: white rayen [6k\]: good for w Hiul [14k\]: ladder good for b etl3: no... MRei [?\]: white monchacha [10k\]: black shuuin [17k\]: black etl3: Black... omfgrateg [18k\]: black noel [10k\]: ladder good for white shuuin [17k\]: atari ] (;B[bf]CR[bf] ;W[op]CR[op]C[omfgrateg [18k\]: ladder good for white ] ;B[eh]CR[eh] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[qq]CR[qq]) (;B[eh]CR[eh]) (;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[ba]CR[ba]C[Ordiac [8k\]: i tried to read it etl3: A17 quasigoose [-\]: A16 Vanya [10k?\]: A17 Ordiac [8k\]: id a15 ] (;B[ac]CR[ac] ;W[ab]CR[ab]) (;B[ad]CR[ad] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[bh]CR[bh] ;W[ac]CR[ac] ;B[ag]CR[ag]C[etl3: oh Scribe [-\]: this is a special case in the corner ]))))) (;B[oc]CR[oc] ;W[nd]CR[nd] ;B[kd]CR[kd]) (;B[dh]CR[dh] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[dl]CR[dl] ;W[dk]CR[dk] ;B[ek]CR[ek]LB[dh:A]C[rayen [6k\]: yes Hiul [14k\]: yes hansb [5k?\]: dual purpose move? agui [6k?\]: yes thanks Scribe [-\]: f14: 1. gote and 2. destroys possibility of c9 invasion ])) (;W[qm]CR[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: standard two-space extension unless attacking ]) (;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[cg]CR[cg] ;W[dh]CR[dh] ;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[kd]CR[kd]) (;W[kd]CR[kd] ;B[] ;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[em]CR[em] ;W[cg]CR[cg])) (;W[ck]CR[ck]C[fonly [8k\]: c9^^ Grimley [5k\]: lower side is important ]) (;AE[pd][pq]AB[qg][qj]LB[qh:2][qi:1]C[Scribe [-\]: 1 dan players in this game ! ])) (;B[iq]CR[iq] (;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[ei]CR[ei]LB[cl:1][cm:2][cn:3]C[Jadeite [18k?\]: C5 in wrong position Scribe [-\]: now white needs to defend the left again ! rayen [6k\]: yup etl3: Yes noel [10k\]: yes agui [6k?\]: yes FransCV [10k\]: yep ] ;W[dm]CR[dm]C[Vanya [10k?\]: what if W starts with C6, not C5 ? Ordiac [8k\]: and corner still not safe ? agui [6k?\]: yes thanks ! murky: economics Jadeite [18k?\]: clear FransCV [10k\]: yes noel [10k\]: yes MRei [?\]: yes rayen [6k\]: of course etl3: Yep. ]) (;W[cl]CR[cl]LB[ck:A]C[quasigoose [-\]: is B C11 better at C12 ? ] ;B[] ;W[cg]CR[cg] ;B[dg]CR[dg] ;W[ch]CR[ch] ;B[dh]CR[dh] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[bj]CR[bj] ;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[di]CR[di]LB[bj:A] ;W[bk]CR[bk] ;B[bh]CR[bh] ;W[aj]CR[aj] ;B[bg]CR[bg]))) (;W[ck]CR[ck]C[Scribe [-\]: white attack ! playmore [1d\]: why not D13 after E14? playmore [1d\]: so E14 first than D13 Ordiac [8k\]: in the top moyo variation ] (;B[ei]CR[ei]C[Scribe [-\]: c8 has much less attacking power than white at c9 ] ;W[cn]LB[ck:1][cn:2][dq:3]) (;B[] ;W[cg]CR[cg]TR[cc][cd][de][ci] (;B[dg]CR[dg]C[Scribe [-\]: severe invasion by white at c13 Scribe [-\]: black has weak grou ] ;W[ch]CR[ch] (;B[dh]CR[dh]C[Scribe [-\]: normally this is the only answer ] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[di]CR[di] ;W[cj]CR[cj] (;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[df]CR[df]C[Scribe [-\]: hane then peep is very important Scribe [-\]: white got all the points and sente @! ] ;W[bg]CR[bg]) (;B[] ;W[cf]CR[cf] ;B[df]CR[df])) (;B[di]CR[di]C[Hiul [14k\]: d12 ivanho [9k\]: white can still connect underneath? noel [10k\]: D14 now? Ordiac [8k\]: id d14 rayen [6k\]: B11 etl3: D14? Vanya [10k?\]: D12 rayen [6k\]: b11 ! Hiul [14k\]: d12 smudge [?\]: split at D12 Jadeite [18k?\]: D12 E12 B11 FransCV [10k\]: d12\\ MRei [?\]: d12 tablescrap [8k?\]: lost audio :( etl3: whoa... what happened to the sound? ljl [13k\]: sound? Scribe [-\]: mistake ] (;W[df]CR[df] ;B[dh]CR[dh]LB[cf:B][ef:A]C[quasigoose [-\]: create cutting points first ][quasigoose [-\]: create cutting points first ]) (;W[dh]CR[dh]C[Ordiac [8k\]: dam killer lag ] ;B[eh]CR[eh]LB[eg:1][ei:2]C[tablescrap [8k?\]: sound back Ordiac [8k\]: lol hu pls Grimley [5k\]: B11 ] ;W[bi]CR[bi]C[Vanya [10k?\]: B11 ] (;B[ei]CR[ei] ;W[cj]CR[cj]C[Scribe [-\]: duing middle game create cutting points when possible in potentialy weak groups smudge [?\]: yes playmore [1d\]: yes noel [10k\]: yes Ordiac [8k\]: yeah FransCV [10k\]: yes agui [6k?\]: yes thanks Hu [13k?\]: Yes. Hu [13k?\]: Please do not complain about sound problems inside the game, use the room. Nobody can do anything if the problem is system-wide. If the problem is an individual one, then we don't need a few complaints generating lots of comment distracting the lecturer. ]) (;B[bj]CR[bj]C[rayen [6k\]: C10 Vanya [10k?\]: E11 CBlue [8k\]: E11 agui [6k?\]: E11 kyuplayer1 [9k\]: e 13 Jadeite [18k?\]: E11 ] ;W[eg]CR[eg]C[noel [10k\]: E13 ] ;B[df]CR[df] ;W[ei]CR[ei] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[dj]CR[dj]C[Scribe [-\]: correct Jadeite [18k?\]: nice ] ;B[ff]CR[ff]C[Scribe [-\]: disaster for black ] ;W[po]CR[po] ;B[qo]CR[qo] ;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[nq]CR[nq] ;W[qj]CR[qj] ;B[qh]CR[qh] ;W[] ;B[ql]CR[ql] ;W[pl]CR[pl] ;B[qk]CR[qk] (;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[rj]CR[rj] ;W[pj]CR[pj]) (;W[pj]CR[pj]C[Scribe [-\]: very similar invasion Vanya [10k?\]: Q9 Jadeite [18k?\]: push noel [10k\]: Q9 noel [10k\]: :) ] ;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[ok]CR[ok]C[CBlue [8k\]: Q9 create cutting points ivanho [9k\]: push out rayen [6k\]: S10 Vanya [10k?\]: S10 ] ;B[rj]CR[rj]C[noel [10k\]: S10 ] ;W[ri]CR[ri]C[ivanho [9k\]: hane Jadeite [18k?\]: P8 Scribe [-\]: create cutting points first, even at the cost of a liberty rayen [6k\]: P8 ] ;B[ol]CR[ol] ;W[pm]CR[pm]C[Vanya [10k?\]: P8 ] ;B[oj]CR[oj] ;W[nk]CR[nk] ;B[pi]CR[pi]C[Ordiac [8k\]: this very useful thx ]))) (;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[dh]CR[dh]))) (;B[dh]CR[dh] (;W[dg]CR[dg] ;B[eg]CR[eg]LB[ef:B][eh:A] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[bj]CR[bj] ;W[bh]CR[bh] ;B[cj]CR[cj] (;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[df]CR[df] ;W[bk]CR[bk] (;B[aj]CR[aj] ;W[ff]CR[ff] (;B[bf]CR[bf] ;W[eh]CR[eh] ;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[ei]CR[ei] (;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[dj]CR[dj]) (;B[dj]CR[dj]C[rayen [6k\]: G13 noel [10k\]: G13 rayen [6k\]: net Vanya [10k?\]: G13 noel [10k\]: G11 CBlue [8k\]: net ] ;C[rayen [6k\]: no ladder Hiul [14k\]: ladder bad ] ;W[gg]CR[gg]C[ivanho [9k\]: geta CBlue [8k\]: w G13^^ ] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[gi]CR[gi]C[Scribe [-\]: one step ladder then net ! ])) (;B[fh]CR[fh]C[Vanya [10k?\]: why atari in ko-fught? ] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[bd]CR[bd] (;W[bf]CR[bf] ;B[bb]CR[bb] ;W[ba]CR[ba]C[agui [6k?\]: It would be great !! ] ;B[ag]CR[ag] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[ce]CR[ce] ;W[bg]CR[bg]C[ivanho [9k\]: can white kill withouth ko in the corner? ] ;B[ae]CR[ae] ;W[af]CR[af] ;B[ac]CR[ac] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[ch]CR[ch]C[rayen [6k\]: no ko in beginning ] ;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[eh]CR[eh] ;W[ad]CR[ad]) (;W[ce]CR[ce] ;B[dd]CR[dd] ;W[cf]CR[cf]C[DrGoPlayer [2k?\]: f15? ] ;B[ch]CR[ch]))) (;B[ai]CR[ai]C[noel [10k\]: thank you noel [10k\]: yes etl3: Yes agui [6k?\]: ok FransCV [10k\]: ok Hiul [14k\]: ok MRei [?\]: ok ivanho [9k\]: yes, thank you tibra [16k?\]: right abbadan [?\]: ők Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan to show us the best possible sequence next lesson ] ;W[eh]CR[eh] ;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[di]CR[di])) (;W[bk]CR[bk])) (;W[nc]CR[nc] ;B[pf]CR[pf]TR[qj] ;AW[ql]AB[pb][qj] ;W[qh]CR[qh] (;B[ph]CR[ph]C[noel [10k\]: R11 mallow [9k?\]: R11 ] ;W[qi]CR[qi]C[Hiul [14k\]: r11 ] (;B[pi]CR[pi] ;W[rj]CR[rj]C[noel [10k\]: S10 ]) (;B[pj]CR[pj]C[Hiul [14k\]: q11 noel [10k\]: Q11 FransCV [10k\]: q11 Ordiac [8k\]: q11? MRei [?\]: yes thanks ] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[oi]CR[oi] ;W[rj]CR[rj] ;B[rk]CR[rk] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[pg]CR[pg] ;W[oj]CR[oj] ;B[ni]CR[ni] ;W[pk]CR[pk]C[jjermann [19k\]: yes etl3: yes jjermann [19k\]: nice :) noel [10k\]: yes thank you Hiul [14k\]: yes Hu [13k?\]: Push-cut-atari-kill shuuin [17k\]: yeah ])) (;B[pi]CR[pi]C[CBlue [8k\]: p-cake etl3: ... this is a good lecture... I always wondered about these ] ;W[dg]CR[dg]C[CBlue [8k\]: e for enjoy ] ;B[eg]CR[eg]C[noel [10k\]: C12 now? ] ;W[ph]CR[ph] ;B[oh]CR[oh] ;W[bi]CR[bi] ;B[bj]CR[bj] ;W[bh]CR[bh] ;B[cj]CR[cj] ;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Zef [25k?\]: cool :) Hiul [14k\]: nice ] ;B[rk]CR[rk] ;W[ri]CR[ri] ;B[qk]CR[qk] ;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[df]CR[df] ;W[rf]CR[rf]C[Scribe [-\]: kill the top left corner. Scribe [-\]: live on the right FransCV [10k\]: it lives ] ;B[re]CR[re] (;W[qe]CR[qe]) (;W[rl]CR[rl] ;B[sk]CR[sk] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ;B[og]CR[og] ;W[of]CR[of] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[rg]CR[rg]LB[oi:A]C[Scribe [-\]: invade without fear ! ] ;B[] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[] ;W[eh]CR[eh] ;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[ei]CR[ei] ;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[bk]CR[bk] ;B[aj]CR[aj] ;W[dj]CR[dj]))))) (;B[do]CR[do])) (;W[] ;B[hc]CR[hc]) (;W[ef]CR[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: white attack ! playmore [1d\]: i have question ] (;B[cg]CR[cg] ;W[dh]CR[dh] ;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Scribe [-\]: to build moyo at top side ]) (;B[ee]CR[ee] ;W[fe]CR[fe] ;B[ff]CR[ff] ;W[eg]CR[eg] ;B[cg]CR[cg]C[noel [10k\]: ladder good for black ljl [13k\]: no rayen [6k\]: ladder favor black etl3: no ladder ivanho [9k\]: G13? FransCV [10k\]: no agui [6k?\]: no Jadeite [18k?\]: K9 ljl [13k\]: beacause its one off the star point? ] (;C[etl3: yes Ordiac [8k\]: w g12 doesnt work ? ]) (;W[dh]CR[dh] ;B[ch]CR[ch]C[etl3: G14 Scribe [-\]: black selects this for sente ] ;W[gf]CR[gf]C[Scribe [-\]: black captured ] ;B[fg]CR[fg]C[agui [6k?\]: G13 etl3: then G12 ] (;W[gh]CR[gh] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[fi]CR[fi]) (;W[gg]CR[gg] ;B[fh]CR[fh]))) (;B[dg]CR[dg] ;W[dh]CR[dh]C[etl3: whoa ] (;B[eg]CR[eg] ;W[ch]CR[ch]) (;B[ch]CR[ch] ;W[df]CR[df] ;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[eg]CR[eg] ;B[cg]CR[cg]C[playmore [1d\]: yes, thanks Scribe [-\]: black did not get any more than before ]))) (;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[cl]CR[cl]C[Ordiac [8k\]: crystal clearc8 is big ? Grimley [5k\]: ok FransCV [10k\]: ok murky: good move for B ])) (;B[ch]CR[ch]C[Jadeite [18k?\]: thick or slow? Scribe [-\]: played by many pros due to being stronger rayen [6k\]: depends on global situation Scribe [-\]: removes invasion aji that remains after c11 quasigoose [-\]: so now W E14 is not sente ? ] ;W[cj]CR[cj])) (;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: trick move, see Mingjiu's lecture from 20060618 ])) (;W[fc]CR[fc] ;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[cb]CR[cb] ;B[cd]CR[cd] ;W[bb]CR[bb] ;B[ci]CR[ci]C[Scribe [-\]: often used by pros now ] ;W[ae]CR[ae])) (;B[qd]CR[qd] ;W[oc]CR[oc] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[kc]CR[kc] ;B[mc]CR[mc] ;W[mb]CR[mb] ;B[lb]CR[lb] ;W[lc]CR[lc] ;B[nb]CR[nb] ;W[md]CR[md] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[nd]CR[nd] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[oe]CR[oe] ;B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[ma]CR[ma] ;W[oa]CR[oa] ;B[na]CR[na] ;W[kb]CR[kb] ;B[pb]CR[pb]))