(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2006-10-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
(;B[ba]C[icebucket [12k\]: morning everyone
]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]
;W[db]C[ficelle [?\]: hello
]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[cd]
;W[dd]C[TomoyoHime [4k\]: hi
Tianren246: hi
gnos [8k\]: Hi
]
;AW[ce][cf][bg][ch]C[MRei [?\]: hi
Tianren246: its the afternoon in england
Ender [9k\]: no sound?
gnos [8k\]: Not yet
icebucket [12k\]: :D  I have not sound can anyone confirm?
TomoyoHime [4k\]: no sound here also
seidelin [4k\]: take it easy
Tianren246: wheres the sound
gnos [8k\]: There it is
icebucket [12k\]: here it come.s Morning mingjiu
gnos [8k\]: Oh, false alarm
Tianren246: no sound
Jahz [3k?\]: hi
icebucket [12k\]: hello!
Ekted [8k\]: hello
TomoyoHime [4k\]: hello
Ender [9k\]: helloooooooooo
Mokuma [-\]: hello
icebucket [12k\]: yes
Tianren246: hullo
ficelle [?\]: hello mingkiu : )
ralph [5k\]: hello
LPDavid [9k\]: Hello
gnos [8k\]: Yes, good morning
Tianren246: yes
Blaubaer [4d\]: hi
entlein [?\]: hi
Dakre [1d\]: hi
icebucket [12k\]: yes
Dakre [1d\]: black lives unconditionally
icebucket [12k\]: yes
TomoyoHime [4k\]: i think this problem is how black live ^-^
Tianren246: yes
misiek [10k?\]: ;-)
Uberdude [4k\]: cho chikun style :p
Dakre [1d\]: yes :>
gnos [8k\]: Black dies, no?
Ender [9k\]: b is not very ealthy anyway
seidelin [4k\]: life
Dakre [1d\]: black lives unconditionally
Tianren246: life
reed338 [7k?\]: b16?
icebucket [12k\]: -.-
]
(;B[be]LB[ab:A][ac:B][bd:C]C[icebucket [12k\]: no
Dakre [1d\]: no
Dakre [1d\]: a18
icebucket [12k\]: dang ig dakre beat me
seidelin [4k\]: A17
entlein [?\]: w b16?
Dakre [1d\]: A :>
Rafghost2 [13k\]: no question
icebucket [12k\]: scribe: white can only kill on A18 when b plays B15
Azaela [10k\]: can black live, if he don't plays b15?
entlein [?\]: b b16?
]
(;W[ab]C[Rafghost2 [13k\]: not c
seidelin [4k\]: A
Dakre [1d\]: i hope
Ender [9k\]: C doesnt work
Azaela [10k\]: yes :)
misiek [10k?\]: yes
]
(;B[ac]C[Druft [3k\]: b16
Dakre [1d\]: b16
Rafghost2 [13k\]: b16
]
;W[bd]C[emre [2k\]: b16
]
;B[bc]C[Dakre [1d\]: a15
]
;W[ae]
;B[ad]
;W[af])
(;B[bc]
;W[ad]C[Ender [9k\]: dead
Tianren246: dead
icebucket [12k\]: clear
]))
(;W[ac]C[Ender [9k\]: 5/5
Azaela [10k\]: a18
Dakre [1d\]: a18
]
;B[ab]C[Dakre [1d\]: and black lives
Azaela [10k\]: :)
])
(;W[bd]
;B[bc]
(;W[ab]
(;B[ac])
(;B[ad]))
(;W[ae]
;B[ad]
;W[af]
;B[ab])))
(;B[aa])
(;B[bd]LB[aa:A][ab:B][ac:C][bc:D][ad:F][ae:G][be:E]C[Azaela [10k\]: hm
Alenchon [10k\]: A16
seidelin [4k\]: A16
Dakre [1d\]: black lives... :>
Adriano [2k\]: ko
Blaubaer [4d\]: hm alive
MRei [?\]: alive
seidelin [4k\]: seki
ralph [6k\]: dead
Tianren246: b dead
Azaela [10k\]: alive
reed338 [7k?\]: c
Ender [9k\]: C?
ralph [6k\]: c
TomoyoHime [4k\]: sure live for b
]
(;W[ae]
;B[ad])
(;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[ad]
;B[be]C[icebucket [12k\]: yes
ralph [6k\]: ah
Adriano [2k\]: i see a ko :)
icebucket [12k\]: no
])
(;W[ad]C[Ender [9k\]: then a throw in
Dakre [1d\]: ok, ko :>
]
(;B[ae]C[TomoyoHime [4k\]: B15
reed338 [7k?\]: a18
]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[be])
(;B[be]C[TomoyoHime [4k\]: b15
Adriano [2k\]: i said ko :)
Adriano [2k\]: a18
icebucket [12k\]: A17
Ekted [8k\]: A15
]
(;W[ab]C[Dakre [1d\]: a18
Adriano [2k\]: hehe
]
;B[ac]
;W[bc]C[icebucket [12k\]: clear
Azaela [10k\]: no, thanks :)
icebucket [12k\]: end result B ko for life
Tianren246: clear as crystle
])
(;W[ac]
;B[ab]C[Adriano [2k\]: this is in my book
]))))
(;B[ad]))
(;B[pd]
;W[dc]C[Scribe [-\]: What game is this Mingjiu ?
]
;B[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: Amateur game
Scribe [-\]: two 2dan players
]
;W[ep]
;B[de]
;W[dh]
;B[gd]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]
;B[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: yes
celotaped [7k\]: no
Cutrone [10k\]: no
AurelienC [4k\]: yes
Dakre [1d\]: yes
Mokuma [-\]: no
seidelin [4k\]: no
Jing1984 [4k\]: y
Azaela [10k\]: no
AurelienC [4k\]: f17 no ?
Winters [6k\]: no
ralph [6k\]: no
Ender [9k\]: no
agui [5k\]: yes
Jing1984 [4k\]: f17, e16 e17
]
(;W[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: f17 does not depend upon a ladder
]
;B[cc]LB[db:B][ec:A]C[icebucket [12k\]: B
Azaela [10k\]: a
pel [4k?\]: A
AurelienC [4k\]: A
Scribe [-\]: white must help weakest stone by playing either e17 or d18
Jing1984 [4k\]: both ok
celotaped [7k\]: A and B
ralph [6k\]: a peep against bamboo bad
TomoyoHime [4k\]: A
gnos [8k\]: A
ralph [6k\]: A
Dakre [1d\]: A
LPDavid [9k\]: I think B
Vanya [6k?\]: a seems better
icebucket [12k\]: yeap my style.  settle first. :P
]
(;W[ec]
(;B[ff]C[Tianren246: a
ralph [6k\]: ;-)
]
(;W[ge]C[agui [5k\]: G15
Azaela [10k\]: ;)
Dakre [1d\]: ok ;)
]
(;B[bd]C[egemen [-\]: b 16 safest:)
]
(;W[kc]C[Scribe [-\]: very common joseki
Scribe [-\]: very very common
Adriano [2k\]: i saw it in a kisei game
ralph [6k\]: when we all are dan level 
])
(;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]))
(;B[cb]C[Vanya [6k?\]: cut d14 
Scribe [-\]: very complicated after black c18
celotaped [7k\]: dan level is too far
seidelin [4k\]: sure
]))
(;W[cb]C[icebucket [12k\]: O.O!
Adriano [2k\]: b16
ralph [6k\]: b16 @ vanya
Vanya [6k?\]: thanks
celotaped [7k\]: what's wrong then ?
]
(;B[bd]C[Ender [9k\]: i have a question...what is a firefighter ko?
]
;W[bc]
;B[cd]C[Scribe [-\]: not joseki
]
;W[ge]C[icebucket [12k\]: yes
Dakre [1d\]: yes
]
;B[bb]
;W[ba]
(;B[ac]
;W[po]
;B[pl]
;W[mp]
;B[oo]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]C[Dakre [1d\]: hmm, so when the ladder at the beginning is good white can play at E17 instead of F16? would that be an advantage for white?
]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[rp]C[Scribe [-\]: switching color is okay...we have to learn it both ways
]
;B[]
;W[ab])
(;B[ab]
;W[cf]
;B[df]
;W[bf]
;B[db]
;W[da]))
(;B[bc]C[Adriano [2k\]: yes
]
;W[ge]
;B[cf]C[Vanya [6k?\]: what is he right answer on w c18 ?
]
;W[kc]C[icebucket [12k\]: I see black mus answer to White's N3 to live got it
icebucket [12k\]: yes
icebucket [12k\]: no
blitzme [3k\]: what do you think of m4 instead of n4 ?
Dakre [1d\]: where should black play then instead?
]
;B[]
;W[po]C[Dakre [1d\]: maybe black should take g15 and leave the corner?
]
;B[pl]
;W[mp]
;B[oo]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]
;W[qq]
;B[pr]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[rp]
;B[iq]LB[gc:A][mq:B]TR[ec][fc][ee][fe][ge][mo][no][oo][iq][nq][pq][pr]C[AurelienC [4k\]: sente ?
Scribe [-\]: n3 exploits weakness in lower right shape
icebucket [12k\]: no
celotaped [7k\]: yes
seidelin [4k\]: yes
icebucket [12k\]: ok
Vanya [6k?\]: yes
]
;W[mq]C[Scribe [-\]: white in upper left, shape is stronger than black shape in lower right
])
(;B[ge]TR[cc][dd][de]C[celotaped [7k\]: ok
celotaped [7k\]: wow
celotaped [7k\]: hard to figure out
]
(;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]
(;W[bf]
(;B[bg]
;W[bd]
;B[eh]C[Scribe [-\]: black punishes white's deviation from joseki
icebucket [12k\]: B
])
(;B[eh]LB[bd:A]C[Scribe [-\]: black outside is better than white inside (barely ?)
]
;W[cd]))
(;W[be]
;B[bg]
(;W[cp]
(;B[ce])
(;B[bf]
;W[ce]
;B[bd]))
(;W[bc]
;B[eh])))
(;W[hb]
;B[bd]LB[hb:B][ge:A]C[blitzme [3k\]:  is h 16 instead of g 16 possible?
Scribe [-\]: black can sacrifice the three corner stones to seal white in the corner
icebucket [12k\]: yes
Scribe [-\]: white has been pushed low on the side
Vanya [6k?\]: thanks, it's very clear
blitzme [3k\]: is H 16 instead of G 16 possible?
])
(;W[gc]
;B[bd]LB[gc:B][ge:A])))
(;W[gc])
(;W[df]
(;B[dg]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]C[Scribe [-\]: good for whtie
]
;W[be]
(;B[bg]
;W[cd]C[Dakre [1d\]: good for white
seidelin [4k\]: yes
]
;B[ge]C[gnos [8k\]: Unnecessary
]
(;W[cb]C[celotaped [7k\]: no
])
(;W[gf]))
(;B[bd]
;W[bg]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]
;B[ge]
;W[hb]C[Ender [9k\]: nice song^^
]
;B[bb]C[seidelin [4k\]: is the corner safe for black?
]))
(;B[cf]
;W[dg])))
(;B[cb])
(;B[bd]C[seku [4k\]: well, theres dan players here too ^^
]
;W[df]))
(;W[db]
;B[cf]
;W[cb]
;B[bc]
;W[kc]LB[db:B][ec:A]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
Scribe [-\]: more territorial joseki than playing at e17 for white
]))
(;W[ec]
;B[ed]
;W[fd]
;B[fc]
;W[gc]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]
;B[ge]C[icebucket [12k\]: no good for white
Scribe [-\]: must check the ladder first before white plays at e17
]))
(;B[fa]C[Scribe [-\]: New Homework
]
;W[da]C[Cutrone [10k\]: ok
]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[ec]
;W[dc]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[eg]
;W[dg]
;B[fg]
;W[eh]
;B[ff]
;W[fh]
;B[gf]
;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[ha]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]
;B[gd]
;W[hc]
;AW[hd][he][hf][gg][dh]C[hansili [6k\]: thank you
Dakre [1d\]: thanks
Zark [1k\]: thank you
MRei [?\]: thank you
reed338 [7k?\]: e16
Vanya [6k?\]: thank you
gnos [8k\]: Thank you
Tianren246: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu
ralph [5k\]:  thanks
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
Cutrone [10k\]: thank you very much
Vanya [6k?\]: see you
seidelin [4k\]: thanks
LPDavid [9k\]: Thank you
LaTomate [5k?\]: thank you very much
ficelle [?\]: thx
Winters [6k\]: thanks
Chrissee [?\]: thank you :)
]))