(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[Takao Shinji]PB[Cho U]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2006-11-02,03]EV[Meijin title,31,Japan,Asahi Shimbun]RO[6]PC[Japan]SO[http://gobase.org//games/japan/titles/meijin/31/game-06.sgf]C[yithril [2k\]: hi etl3 [?\]: Hello celotaped [6k\]: hi pel [4k\]: oh. this will be interesting :) thoel [?\]: yes, hello SimonM [6k\]: hi pertoskyu [13k?\]: yes celotaped [6k\]: fine pel [4k\]: yep agui [4k\]: Hello grumpfl [7k\]: yes smudge [7k\]: Hello Guo Juan! icebucket [10k\]: Morning icebucket [10k\]: WOW! Cho U game. celotaped [6k\]: meijin ? Vanya [4k?\]: hello icebucket [10k\]: THANK YOU! icebucket [10k\]: Oza ]RE[W+3.50] ;B[qd]C[icebucket [10k\]: :( Scribe [-\]: Professional game studied on the audiogolessons.com website Scribe [-\]: 31st Meijin Game 6 ] ;W[dc]C[Scribe [-\]: Takao Shinji vs Cho U ] ;B[dq] ;W[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: Takao is now Honinbo-Meijin ] (;B[ce]C[Scribe [-\]: Student of Fujisawa Shuko ] ;W[ed] (;B[oc] (;W[co] ;B[cj] (;W[qi] (;B[qn] (;W[qo] ;B[pn] ;W[nq] ;B[qk] ;W[qf] (;B[cp] ;W[do] (;B[fq]C[icebucket [10k\]: O3 yithril [2k\]: o3 smudge [7k\]: White is low on lower side Scribe [-\]: right side position is now rare due to black move at q13 Zark [1d\]: because of 03 playmore [3d\]: lower side not developable thoel [?\]: because white is strong in lower right etl3 [?\]: he wants to fight on lower left? agui [4k\]: because white's lower right side is strong celotaped [6k\]: c10 is too far ? Vanya [4k?\]: because of strong o3 Scribe [-\]: expected play is e4, but Cho U selected f3, why ? tablescrap [4k?\]: reduce w aji ph [4k\]: white can extend from right Scribe [-\]: e4 leaves black open on the bottom etl3 [?\]: yes Scribe [-\]: f3 protects the weakness Kevintju [7k?\]: why not g3 then? ] ;W[cl] ;B[dg] ;W[ic]TR[pn][qn][qo][pp][nq]C[Scribe [-\]: Why does black want a strong outside position while f3 is low ? ] (;B[pg]C[ph [4k\]: g3 can be cut Scribe [-\]: q13 played to gains strength on right side before fighting with lower right corner ] (;W[pd]C[Scribe [-\]: no really good answer to q13 has been found in professional games so far Scribe [-\]: q16 is a new move Scribe [-\]: by giving some in the top right corner, white has gained in the lower right corner ] ;B[pc] ;W[rd]C[Scribe [-\]: Takao is well regarded for his whole board play and solid shape ] (;B[od] ;W[qg] (;B[rc] ;W[ph]TR[qg][ph]C[Scribe [-\]: white settled her two stones well ] ;B[ro] ;W[rp] ;B[rn]C[Scribe [-\]: the black thre stones have been weakened ] (;W[lq]C[vondutch [2k\]: and white read all that with m3? wow, but i already knew pro reads ahead lots ] (;B[bc]C[hansb [1k\]: white has done alot of life and death problems! Scribe [-\]: b17 is biggest move on the board SoulShard [-\]: m17 Vanya [4k?\]: m17 thoel [?\]: H3 raga2504 [9k\]: top celotaped [6k\]: m17 Scribe [-\]: M17 is desireable ] (;W[hq]C[Scribe [-\]: H3 pressures corner and helps the three stones on the left ] ;B[kc] ;W[ie] ;B[bo] ;W[bn] ;B[bp]C[yithril [2k\]: w can w do against b in the corner? yithril [2k\]: *what Scribe [-\]: time to count icebucket [10k\]: B ahead agui [4k\]: with komi white ahead vondutch [2k\]: When in doubt: attack? :) Scribe [-\]: Cho U made a major error in overestimating the game as being favorable to him ] (;W[ci]TR[cl][bn][bo][co][do]C[icebucket [10k\]: Question. Before C11 who is ahead? Scribe [-\]: Cho U is Black ] (;B[ch]C[Chaotic [1d\]: i counted position before c11 as fairly even game Chaotic [1d\]: well count/estimate ] ;W[bi]C[vondutch [2k\]: He counted himself 10 points too much ahead >:-) ] ;B[di] ;W[bj] ;B[dj] ;W[bh] ;B[bg]C[pel [4k\]: very nice reed338 [-\]: thx, very interesting icebucket [10k\]: Thank you. pel [4k\]: the m3 thing was amazing guojuan [5p\]: http://www.audiogolessons.com Kevintju [7k?\]: thank you very much for the lesson au2 [1d\]: Thank you tablescrap [4k?\]: thank you AJstyle [4k?\]: thanks' you were graet seidelin [3k\]: thank you Winters [5k\]: thank you Scribe [-\]: Thanks the Ing Goe Foundation kirkbobic [2k\]: thx thoel [?\]: thank you smudge [7k\]: thanks scribe! CLB [9k\]: thanks Vanya [4k?\]: thank you Templar [6k?\]: thank you for the interesting lesson Scribe [-\]: Xieixie Guo Juan smudge [7k\]: thank you, Gou Juan! :) aidea [19k\]: Thank you. pel [4k\]: thank you seidelin [3k\]: and thanks to Ing agui [4k\]: Thanks you very much vondutch [2k\]: Thank you hansili [4k\]: thank you! jjermann [6k?\]: thank you au2 [1d\]: Thanks to the ING FOUNDATION yog22 [14k\]: thx Kevintju [7k?\]: thanks scribe thoel [?\]: bye ] ;W[eh] ;B[dh]C[Scribe [-\]: black play is too soft ] ;W[el]C[Scribe [-\]: white played very severely, almost overplay AJstyle [4k?\]: D10? Scribe [-\]: white settles and reduces black at the same time Kevintju [7k?\]: rofl ] ;B[cb] ;W[ff] ;B[fo] ;W[ok] (;B[rj] ;W[nn] ;B[bm] ;W[bl] ;B[cn] ;W[dn] ;B[an] ;W[cm] ;B[fm] ;W[fl] ;B[gm] ;W[fr] (;B[gl] ;W[bn] ;B[op] ;W[oq] ;B[cn] ;W[eq] ;B[ep] ;W[er] ;B[dp] ;W[bn] ;B[kq] ;W[am] ;B[lp] ;W[lr] ;B[gq] ;W[gr] (;B[iq] ;W[hp] ;B[ir] ;W[hr] ;B[jo] ;W[in] ;B[io]C[Templar [6k?\]: the corner was that big? ] ;W[ho] (;B[km] ;W[il] (;B[np] ;W[go] ;B[fp] ;W[cr] ;B[dr] ;W[ds] (;B[em]LB[fn:A] (;W[kp] (;B[lo] ;W[jq] ;B[ko] ;W[jr] ;B[jp] ;W[kr] ;B[kk] ;W[ij]LB[ch:B][ci:A] ;B[fk] ;W[mk] ;B[rq] ;W[qq] ;B[ki] ;W[po] ;B[on] ;W[pk] ;B[qj] ;W[pj] ;B[sp] ;W[db] ;B[ib] ;W[jb] ;B[jc] ;W[kb] ;B[id] ;W[hc] ;B[hd] ;W[hb] ;B[gd] ;W[fd] ;B[gc] ;W[gb] ;B[fb] ;W[fc] ;B[ia] ;W[ja] ;B[lb] (;W[ha] ;B[je] ;W[mg] ;B[ip] ;W[is] ;B[mj] ;W[og] ;B[mi] ;W[ri] ;B[oi] ;W[pi] ;B[re] ;W[nf] ;B[hm] ;W[ih] ;B[qr] ;W[rr] ;B[qp] ;W[pq] ;B[sr] ;W[bq] ;B[if] ;W[jg] ;B[kg] ;W[lk] ;B[ji] ;W[ii] ;B[kf] ;W[jk] ;B[kl] ;W[im] (;B[hk] ;W[ql] ;B[rl] ;W[sj] ;B[rk] ;W[mb] ;B[lc] ;W[la] ;B[pe] ;W[pf] ;B[da] ;W[ea] ;B[ca] ;W[eb] ;B[nb] ;W[cc] ;B[bb] ;W[dl] ;B[gi] ;W[gh] ;B[hi] ;W[hh] ;B[nm] ;W[pr] ;B[rs] ;W[mc] ;B[rf] ;W[ld] ;B[kj] ;W[ke] ;B[jd] ;W[md] ;B[jf] ;W[fi] ;B[fj] ;W[cd] ;B[bd] ;W[mm] ;B[nl] ;W[nk] ;B[ml] ;W[ll] ;B[lm] ;W[om] ;B[mn] ;W[ol] ;B[no] ;W[qm] ;B[pm] ;W[pl] ;B[rm] ;W[rg] ;B[ah] ;W[hj] ;B[gj] ;W[ef] ;B[cq] ;W[ar] ;B[qe] ;W[de] ;B[df] ;W[ge] ;B[ag] ;W[hf] ;B[ig] ;W[jh] ;B[lg] ;W[he] ;B[nh] ;W[ps] ;B[sk] ;W[si] ;B[eg] ;W[fg] ;B[hg] ;W[gg] ;B[ai] ;W[bk] ;B[aj] ;W[ak] ;B[mq] ;W[mr] ;B[mp] ;W[qs] ;B[rr] ;W[sf] ;B[se] ;W[sg] ;B[na] ;W[ma] ;B[nc] ;W[jn] ;B[ao] ;W[ne] ;B[aq] ;W[br] ;B[mf] ;W[ng] ;B[kn] ;W[dm] ;B[oe] ;W[rp] ;B[kp] ;W[qp] ;B[ap]TW[fa][ga][ia][ka][fb][ib][ec][dd][ee][fe][gf][pg][qh][rh][sh][al][bm][cn][nr][or][as][bs][cs][es][fs][gs][hs][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os]TB[aa][ba][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][ac][qc][sc][ad][pd][rd][sd][ae][be][af][bf][cf][cg][sl][mm][sm][ln][nn][sn][mo][so][sq][ss]) (;B[dl])) (;W[jd] ;B[kd] ;W[je] ;B[ka] ;W[he])) (;B[ko] ;W[mp] ;B[jp] ;W[hm] ;B[rq] ;W[sp] ;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[pq] ;W[oo])) (;W[hm] ;B[rq] ;W[sp] ;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[pq])) (;B[] ;W[hs] ;B[is] ;W[bq])) (;B[hm] ;W[hn] ;B[im] ;W[jn] ;B[kn] ;W[jm] ;B[jl] ;W[kl] ;B[jk] ;W[kr] ;B[jq] ;W[ll])) (;B[hn] ;W[fp] ;B[gp] ;W[go] ;B[fp] ;W[gn] ;B[hm] ;W[fn] ;B[en] ;W[em] ;B[eo] ;W[cr] ;B[dr] ;W[ds] ;B[br] ;W[bs] ;B[cq] ;W[cs] (;B[es] ;W[fs] (;B[ar] ;W[ao] ;B[ap] ;W[bq] ;B[aq] (;W[es] ;B[hs] ;W[as]) (;W[hs] ;B[an]C[Scribe [-\]: black can not win this ko ] ;W[mp] ;B[as] ;W[es] ;B[ip] ;W[ao])) (;B[aq] ;W[ao] ;B[hs] ;W[an] ;B[ap] ;W[ar] ;B[as] ;W[es])) (;B[aq]))) (;B[hp] ;W[gp] ;B[fp] ;W[ip])) (;B[gr] ;W[gq] ;B[er] ;W[fp] ;B[fs] ;W[ep]TR[ie][ff][ok][nn]C[Scribe [-\]: f2 very beautiful tesuji ]) (;B[er] ;W[gr]LB[ep:A])) (;B[no] ;W[rl] (;B[ql] ;W[rk]) (;B[rk] ;W[ql] ;B[pl] ;W[pk] (;B[qm] ;W[ol] ;B[pm] ;W[rj]) (;B[ol] ;W[qj])))) (;B[dj]C[Scribe [-\]: after b5 the four white stones on the left are weak ] ;W[bj] ;B[bk] ;W[bh] ;B[ck]) (;B[bi] (;W[ch] ;B[dj] ;W[bh] ;B[bj] ;W[ei] ;B[di] ;W[dh] ;B[eh] ;W[eg] ;B[fh] ;W[df] ;B[cg] ;W[cf] ;B[bg] ;W[bf] ;B[ah]LB[bc:B][fh:A] ;W[be]LB[bc:A][fh:B] ;B[dm]C[Scribe [-\]: very nice result for black Scribe [-\]: enables severe attack on white stones ]) (;W[dj] ;B[ch] ;W[di] ;B[bj] ;W[dk]))) (;W[el]C[Scribe [-\]: from this we can see that black is leading ]) (;W[go])) (;W[lc])) (;B[rq]C[Vanya [4k?\]: no sound vondutch [2k\]: and what if black r3 instead of s3? ] ;W[sp] ;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[or] ;W[nr] ;B[oq] ;W[op] ;B[np] ;W[oo] ;B[pq]C[Scribe [-\]: now m3 is perfectly placed Scribe [-\]: Black corner status ? Chaotic [1d\]: dead playmore [3d\]: dead agui [4k\]: is ko Nezumi [2k\]: dead vondutch [2k\]: dead icebucket [10k\]: dead icebucket [10k\]: W has move icebucket [10k\]: :D Vanya [4k?\]: must be dead icebucket [10k\]: If B has move he lives icebucket [10k\]: something with a hook? SimonM [6k\]: :D Chaotic [1d\]: i would.. propably t3 and then s1 Vanya [4k?\]: what abot t2? Chaotic [1d\]: but then i guess.. r2 ndkrempel [3d\]: t2->t3 looks alive ndkrempel [3d\]: at least ko anyway CLB [9k\]: s1? vondutch [2k\]: hello :) Vanya [4k?\]: yes, t2 is bad icebucket [10k\]: R1 or S1, I think works the same way? ] (;W[ps]C[Vanya [4k?\]: t2 Scribe [-\]: ko jin dai go ? ] ;B[os]C[vondutch [2k\]: :) ] ;W[sq] ;B[sr] ;W[rr] ;B[rs]C[vondutch [2k\]: no, white can r2 :) Yippie [1k\]: noko Nezumi [2k\]: r2 agui [4k\]: no ko jjermann [6k?\]: no ko ] (;W[qr]C[Vanya [4k?\]: it's demedzumari hansb [1k\]: damezumari vondutch [2k\]: wow, this is cool vondutch [2k\]: new moves ]) (;W[ss])) (;W[sq] ;B[sr] ;W[rr] ;B[rs]C[vondutch [2k\]: it's called educated guess ^^ ] ;W[qr] ;B[pr]) (;W[sr] ;B[sq]C[Vanya [4k?\]: no sound Kevintju [7k?\]: no sound erikk [-\]: q1? guojuan [5p\]: hi icebucket [10k\]: we lost sound guojuan [5p\]: I can not get on audio :( guojuan [5p\]: just second icebucket [10k\]: :( jjermann [6k?\]: guojuan is speaking in two games, heh vondutch [2k\]: yes Vanya [4k?\]: hello kirkbobic [2k\]: yes icebucket [10k\]: YAY! Kevintju [7k?\]: yes SimonM [6k\]: y jjermann [6k?\]: yes thoel [?\]: yes gomasch [2d\]: y ]) (;W[qr] ;B[rr] ;W[sq] ;B[sr] ;W[rs] ;B[ps]C[icebucket [10k\]: B lives ] ;W[qs]C[Scribe [-\]: seki ])) (;B[sp]LB[rq:B][sq:A]C[Scribe [-\]: Why M3 in place of L3 ? Templar [6k?\]: b pel [4k\]: b yithril [2k\]: b Nezumi [2k\]: A playmore [3d\]: B hansb [1k\]: after A black lives in the corner. vondutch [2k\]: a leads to ko icebucket [10k\]: B Kevintju [7k?\]: b vondutch [2k\]: so B Chusi [17k\]: b JamesJoker [3k\]: A agui [4k\]: B Zark [1d\]: b Nic0z [21k\]: B Vanya [4k?\]: b tablescrap [4k?\]: a leads to shortage of lib Scribe [-\]: s3 is the only move for white ] (;W[rq]C[agui [4k\]: no sound ]) (;W[sq] ;B[rq] ;W[so] ;B[qq]C[Chaotic [1d\]: tenuki to grab an even bigger point!:P ph [4k\]: to me looks like b dies in the corner after t3 ] ;W[qp] ;B[sr] (;W[rr] ;B[sp]C[ph [4k\]: so A ]) (;W[sp] ;B[rs]))) (;B[] ;W[cd] ;B[de] ;W[be] ;B[bf] ;W[bd] ;B[] ;W[bg] ;B[af] ;W[cg] ;B[cf] ;W[dh]C[jjermann [6k?\]: w probably realized that the corner still needs protection but instead of slowly fix it on the right, it played M3? ])) (;W[kq]) (;W[] ;B[rq] ;W[sp] ;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[or] ;W[nr] ;B[oq] ;W[op] ;B[np]C[Chaotic [1d\]: propably didn't read ] ;W[oo]C[Chaotic [1d\]: just knew shape by default ] ;B[mp]C[agui [4k\]: yes hard to imagine ndkrempel [3d\]: vondutch: he already knew roughly what was there by knowing the shape ])) (;B[pi] ;W[rc])) (;B[rc] ;W[qe] ;B[qc] (;W[rh] ;B[pi] ;W[qj] ;B[pj] ;W[rk]) (;W[qg] ;B[pi]))) (;W[qg] ;B[pi] ;W[ph] ;B[oh]C[Kevintju [7k?\]: ok ] ;W[qh] ;B[pj] ;W[og] ;B[nh] ;W[of]C[Scribe [-\]: common middle game joseki ] ;B[pe] ;W[pf]LB[pe:11][of:10][pf:12][og:8][pg:1][qg:2][nh:9][oh:5][ph:4][qh:6][pi:3][pj:7]TR[fq] ;B[op] ;W[oq] ;B[qq] ;W[po] ;B[pq] ;W[oo] ;B[np]) (;W[rd] ;B[rc] ;W[pd] ;B[qc] ;W[qg] ;B[pi])) (;B[op] ;W[oq] ;B[qq] (;W[qp] ;B[pq] ;W[oo] ;B[np]C[Scribe [-\]: the ladder arises ] ;W[po]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder is good for black ] ;B[mq] ;W[mr] ;B[lr]C[Scribe [-\]: white is split ] ;W[mp] ;B[no] ;W[lq] ;B[on]) (;W[pq] ;B[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: White in lower right corner is very good shape, until such time as black has two stones at q6 and r6 Scribe [-\]: very painful for white ]) (;W[po]C[Scribe [-\]: very strong move at q5 ! Scribe [-\]: guzumi ! smudge [7k\]: resistance vondutch [2k\]: yes hansb [1k\]: resistance yithril [2k\]: resistance Scribe [-\]: resistance icebucket [10k\]: yes strong resistance pel [4k\]: viva le resistance thoel [?\]: strongest way to resist resign [1k?\]: Vive. ] ;B[pq]C[vondutch [2k\]: lol :) Jadeite [?\]: hehe ] (;W[oo] ;B[np] ;W[mq] ;B[mp]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder arises again ] ;W[on]) (;W[no] ;B[ro]))) (;B[oj])) (;B[ep]C[etl3 [?\]: plays solid to get ready for fight? icebucket [10k\]: Embrace your enemy!!! World peace!!! ] ;W[cl])) (;B[pg])) (;W[ql] (;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[pq] ;W[op] ;B[rp] ;W[ro] ;B[rq] ;W[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: more common play ] ;B[nq]) (;B[np] ;W[pn] ;B[pm] ;W[qm] ;B[pq] ;W[qo] ;B[qq]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki Scribe [-\]: now black is not all low on bottom ]))) (;B[cp] ;W[do] ;B[ep] ;W[cl] ;B[dg])) (;W[qj] ;B[qn] ;W[qo] ;B[pn] ;W[np])) (;W[do] (;B[co] ;W[cn] ;B[cp] ;W[dn] ;B[ch] ;W[eq] ;B[er] ;W[dp] ;B[cq] ;W[fq] ;B[fr] ;W[hq] ;B[ck]) (;B[cm]) (;B[cj] ;W[cq]))) (;B[ci] ;W[oc]) (;B[cj] ;W[qi] ;B[oc] ;W[co])) (;B[de] ;W[ce] ;B[cf] ;W[cd] ;B[co] ;W[df] ;B[nq] ;W[qn]C[Scribe [-\]: from the first game ] ;B[cg] ;W[ef] ;B[di] ;W[oc] ;B[jc] ;W[pg] ;B[pe] ;W[lc] ;B[gd]))