(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] DT[2006-12-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Javaness [1d\]: hi hi grumpfl [7k\]: hi Cutrone [6k\]: hi xushibagua [7k\]: Hi xushibagua [7k\]: yes JedyFly [4k\]: hi MattHunt [10k?\]: hi, i hear you grumpfl [7k\]: yes gomasch [2d\]: yes, sound is good xushibagua [7k\]: good xushibagua [7k\]: nope blitzme [1k\]: good smudge [7k\]: audio is fine seidelin [2k\]: fine gogogo07 [2k\]: very GOOD ThomA [9k\]: hello JedyFly [4k\]: its good Javaness [1d\]: magic green bar agui [4k\]: Hello Chaotic [-\]: it is loud but we can turn our volume down a bit so it is better than low:) icebucket [11k?\]: :) ] (;AB[dd][jd][pd][dj][jj][pj][dp][jp][pp] ;B[] ;W[qn]C[splice [9k\]: r5 Scribe [-\]: playing r8 is poor choice for black seidelin [2k\]: S5 AndreAy [2k\]: r5 Creslin [6k\]: R5 agui [4k\]: R5 Scribe [-\]: black is much stronger, should attack white ThomA [9k\]: r5 JedyFly [4k\]: is bad too go 03? ] (;B[ql] ;W[qq] ;B[qp] ;W[pq] ;B[op] ;W[rp] ;B[ro] ;W[rq] ;B[qo] ;W[nq]LB[qk:1]TR[pj][ql]C[Scribe [-\]: even game joseki Scribe [-\]: well known Javaness [1d\]: I think I played this joseki etl3 [?\]: over concentrated? Jadeite [?\]: r8 too close icebucket [11k?\]: no AndreAy [2k\]: W is not under attack Creslin [6k\]: B is overconcentrated and w is safe splice [9k\]: overconcentrated ligo [?\]: r8 too close ThomA [9k\]: overconcentrated egemen [-\]: over consanterater icebucket [11k?\]: no territores and wasted a bunch of moves agui [4k\]: R8 bad placed Scribe [-\]: q10 is too close to the black position in the lower right Chaotic [-\]: black wouldn't want to play q10 after o3 Scribe [-\]: combo of q10 and r8 is inefficient ] ;AE[pj]) (;B[qo]C[Jadeite [?\]: p6 ] ;W[pn] ;B[np]C[Scribe [-\]: r5, r4, s5 all attack white's base blitzme [1k\]: ddd ] (;AE[pj] ;W[qj]) (;W[pg]LB[nd:A][me:F][oe:E][qe:C][qj:B][pl:D][rl:G]C[Scribe [-\]: a prerequisite for playing this way is having q10 in place smudge [7k\]: r10 Jadeite [?\]: o16 Creslin [6k\]: O10 agui [4k\]: O16 Javaness [1d\]: r15 etl3 [?\]: O16 Repacse [4k?\]: q8 pel [4k\]: o10 xynix [4k\]: O10 Cutrone [6k\]: o16 blitzme [1k\]: q8 Javaness [1d\]: P14 AndreAy [2k\]: n15 xushibagua [7k\]: s8 JedyFly [4k\]: p14 splice [9k\]: E is at p15 not p14 Scribe [-\]: r15 possible splice [9k\]: Ma Xiaochun wrote a book on using the 36 stratagems in go ] (;B[qj]C[Scribe [-\]: possible move Scribe [-\]: but r10 is a little slow ] ;AE[pj]AB[oj]C[Scribe [-\]: jump when possible, play as fast as possible ]) (;B[nd]C[seidelin [2k\]: R15 Kamisama [7k\]: r10 very slow Scribe [-\]: n15 has weakness at n17 AndreAy [2k\]: ok Scribe [-\]: better to play more solidly Scribe [-\]: there are two mistakes 1. panicing and trying living small on the edge ] ;W[nj]TR[jd][nd][pg][jj][nj][jp][np]C[Chaotic [-\]: it usually works:) AndreAy [2k\]: overplay ;-) Kamisama [7k\]: thats what i wanted to hear :D i want to know what white can do hehehe :D Scribe [-\]: o10 move to frighten black...induce panic Scribe [-\]: o10 is overplay etl3 [?\]: Q8 still good? Grimley [1k\]: p9 splice [9k\]: P9? Scribe [-\]: black must use the q10 stone to split the white stones Truc [4k?\]: fight! TotoroShan [2k\]: P11 ? Hikari [5k\]: kill it? Xanthus [2d\]: cut! Jadeite [?\]: walk out and split Black issiel [8k\]: p12 mb76 [9k\]: p11 ? icebucket [11k?\]: O12? Grimley [1k\]: p9 or p11 hariko [2d\]: attack white splice [9k\]: p9 agui [4k\]: P12 Hendrix [1k\]: p9 Scribe [-\]: p11 is not bad but is not the best ] (;B[ql] ;W[ol] ;B[qh] ;W[qg] ;B[rg] ;W[ph] ;B[qi] ;W[rf] ;B[sh]C[Jadeite [?\]: just what White wants ] ;W[rj] ;B[ri] ;W[qk] ;B[pk] ;W[rl]) (;B[qf] ;W[qg] ;B[pf] ;W[og]C[Scribe [-\]: 2. giving up the stone ]) (;B[oh]C[Scribe [-\]: p12 is better Scribe [-\]: many possibilities have been destroyed icebucket [11k?\]: by accidental earthquake that shakes all stones to floor. :P Scribe [-\]: 三国演义 ] (;W[og]C[mb76 [9k\]: What if white answer with P11 after P12 ? ] ;B[ni] ;W[mi] ;B[nh]LB[og:2][nh:5][oh:1][mi:4][ni:3]C[Scribe [-\]: middle game joseki ] (;W[mj] ;B[ph]TR[og][pg][oh][ph]SQ[nh]C[Scribe [-\]: good shape for black Scribe [-\]: example when to make an empty triangle Scribe [-\]: black walks ahead ]) (;W[ph]C[icebucket [11k?\]: seperate ] ;B[pi] ;W[mj] ;B[ng] ;W[nf] ;B[mf])) (;W[pi]C[AndreAy [2k\]: q12 agui [4k\]: P11 Repacse [4k?\]: p11 p10 q12 r11 r12 Scribe [-\]: how to handle white move at q11 ? ] (;B[ph]C[etl3 [?\]: Q12 icebucket [11k?\]: p11 ]) (;B[oi] ;W[oj] ;B[ph] ;W[qi] ;B[qh] (;W[qj] ;B[pk] ;W[qk] ;B[pl] ;W[ql] ;B[nl]C[etl3 [?\]: wow ]) (;W[rj] ;B[rh] ;W[pk] ;B[mi]C[Scribe [-\]: white loses in this exchange Scribe [-\]: the board becomes much smaller now ])))) (;B[oi])) (;B[pl]C[Scribe [-\]: q8 is very very good move Scribe [-\]: memorize the q8 move ] (;W[rl] ;B[rn] ;W[rm] ;B[ro]LB[pl:A][qm:B]C[Scribe [-\]: q8 stone is now at vital point of white formation Truc [4k?\]: nice ]) (;W[nn] ;B[mk] ;W[ln] ;B[lp]) (;W[nd]TR[nd][pg]C[Jadeite [?\]: p15 ? MattHunt [10k?\]: P14? Hendrix [1k\]: p14? =) hansb [1k\]: P14? baitem [6k\]: p14 xushibagua [7k\]: p14 ThomA [9k\]: p 14 Plunder [5k\]: P14 :P rayen [1k\]: p14 Scribe [-\]: correct move for Black is p14 Scribe [-\]: exploit the bad white shape with p14 ] (;B[of]C[nodog [7k\]: p14 ]) (;B[nc] ;W[mc] ;B[oc] ;W[md] ;B[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: k16 is now weak ] ;W[qg] ;B[pf] ;W[og]LB[qc:C][gd:A][jd:B]C[Scribe [-\]: white is now very strong baitem [6k\]: q8 lonely ])) (;W[md]LB[ne:A][of:B]TR[md]C[xushibagua [7k\]: elephant jump? hansb [1k\]: O15 etl3 [?\]: P14? xushibagua [7k\]: o14 celotaped [5k\]: r16 Snaipe [21k\]: o15 icebucket [11k?\]: white get wall so does black. Scribe [-\]: exploit the bad white shape with p14 Scribe [-\]: both p14 and o15 are very good moves Move 8 baitem [6k\]: flip coin Scribe [-\]: but how to choose between the two ? icebucket [11k?\]: B hansb [1k\]: play against the stronger stone? Creslin [6k\]: Lean on strongest stone agui [4k\]: A icebucket [11k?\]: more pressure on 2 group xushibagua [7k\]: swallow the left white stones on a large scale xushibagua [7k\]: err right Logox [5k\]: wall towards strong position Plunder [5k\]: B seems better Angrolfin [7k\]: side where you are stronger AndreAy [2k\]: B because q1^0 is stronger than k16 xushibagua [7k\]: so play A icebucket [11k?\]: me me :D Elementary [8k\]: kingdom of 3 romance hansb [1k\]: three kingdoms saodiseng [4d\]: Romance of Three Kingdoms Jadeite [?\]: when China was split Scribe [-\]: To attack in the West, make a lot of noise in the East saodiseng [4d\]: equivalent to Reverse Split in American football baitem [6k\]: misdirection Scribe [-\]: make a feint icebucket [11k?\]: lean blitzme [1k\]: lol your stories are the best Elementary [8k\]: distraction you wanna tell? Javaness [1d\]: I like the stories splice [9k\]: Make a Feint to the East while Attacking in the West MattHunt [10k?\]: me too, helps make it memorable :) Scribe [-\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms seidelin [2k\]: very secret =) Elementary [8k\]: silence but deadly ThomA [9k\]: i think he meant no, good english Scribe [-\]: select which stone you wish to attack and play closer to the other stone ] (;B[qf] ;W[qg] ;B[pf] ;W[og]) (;B[oe] ;W[nf]) (;B[nf]TR[pd][nf]C[icebucket [11k?\]: O14? ThomA [9k\]: o 14 agui [4k\]: O14 ] ;W[oe]) (;B[ne]C[baitem [6k\]: swallowed Jadeite [?\]: better than your Chinese AndreAy? ] ;W[me] ;B[nf] ;W[mf] ;B[ng]C[Elementary [8k\]: lol Hikari [5k\]: haha pel [4k\]: lol ] ;W[mg] ;B[nh]) (;B[of]TR[md]SQ[pg]C[Scribe [-\]: both p14 and o15 are very good moves Javaness [1d\]: "look to the left, attack to the right" Jadeite [?\]: me too Java, helpt to remember smudge [7k\]: Diversionary attack pel [4k\]: make a diversion ] ;W[og] ;B[nf] ;W[ng] ;B[mf]C[Plunder [5k\]: but white gets wall =( DoctorNick [1d\]: it is one of the 36 strategies AndreAy [2k\]: no good English ]))) (;B[ql] ;W[pl] ;B[pk] ;W[nl]C[Scribe [-\]: r8 helps white to move out ]) (;B[qe]) (;B[me] ;W[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: o17 is also very nice ])) (;W[qf] ;B[nd] ;W[nj]TR[qf][nj] (;B[qh] ;W[og] ;B[ql] ;W[nn] ;B[] ;W[rj]) (;B[pg] ;W[pf] ;B[og] ;W[of] ;B[ng] ;W[nf] ;B[mg] ;W[mf] ;B[ld] ;W[lg] ;B[mi]LB[mb:A][of:1][mi:B][nj:3][qn:2][pp:C]C[Scribe [-\]: white now has three major problems Scribe [-\]: none of these groups are alive ]) (;B[qe] ;W[pf])) (;W[nc] (;B[pf] (;W[rj]C[Grimley [1k\]: r9 sestir [3d\]: r10 Absorbed [?\]: r8 AndreAy [2k\]: r19 Scribe [-\]: r9 is very good as it r10 Hikari [5k\]: r19??????!?!??!?!?! Chaotic [-\]: s6 Javaness [1d\]: R19 is a bit soft Scribe [-\]: r9 is a very strong move littletry [7k\]: Thank you very much, pretty voice. ] (;B[ri] ;W[qi] ;B[qj] ;W[rh] ;B[rk] ;W[si]C[Scribe [-\]: bad result for black ]) (;B[rk] ;W[qk] ;B[qj] ;W[rl] ;B[ri] ;W[sk]C[jitsu [4k\]: java you didn't get the idea of the story ^^ r19 is to distract from the attack of s10^^ ]) (;B[qk]C[agui [4k\]: :) Scribe [-\]: black is secure ] ;W[rk]C[icebucket [11k?\]: I'm salivating to be B here. ] ;B[rl] (;W[rm]C[Scribe [-\]: also bad result for black to play either s11 or s9 ] ;B[ql] ;W[sl] ;B[qi] ;W[ri] ;B[qh]C[Scribe [-\]: middle game sequeence to punish white icebucket [11k?\]: there goes the center! ] ;W[rh] (;B[rg] ;W[qg]) (;B[qg] ;W[rg] ;B[rf] ;W[ro] ;B[rp] ;W[sp]C[hansb [1k\]: T6 etl3 [?\]: S3 GothicGirl [17k\]: t6 saodiseng [4d\]: s3 icebucket [11k?\]: T5 ThomA [9k\]: t 6 ] (;B[rq]LB[rn:A]C[Scribe [-\]: s3 is the correct move saodiseng [4d\]: no etl3 [?\]: no agui [4k\]: no etl3 [?\]: no. ] (;W[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: quiet solid effective AndreAy [2k\]: no ThomA [9k\]: no etl3 [?\]: T6 AndreAy [2k\]: t6 ] ;B[sn]C[baitem [6k\]: t6 agui [4k\]: T6 ]) (;W[nn] ;B[om] ;W[on]C[Scribe [-\]: white does not have an eye at t6 area, unless black forces her to create one ] ;B[mk]C[TenukiBoy [1k?\]: no eye anyway after T3 ? ] ;W[ln] ;B[mm] ;W[mn] ;B[lp] ;W[jn] ;B[km] ;W[kn] ;B[hp] ;W[hn]C[baitem [6k\]: hard for w ] ;B[oc] ;W[nd] ;B[ld]C[Scribe [-\]: white has onlhy one eye AndreAy [2k\]: fun :-) baitem [6k\]: cant ])) (;B[sq] ;W[so] ;B[rq] ;W[qm]))) (;W[ql]C[RocheL [-\]: noway he can Javaness [1d\]: cut back hansb [1k\]: R7 xushibagua [7k\]: r7 ] ;B[qm] ;W[pl]C[splice [9k\]: R7 ] ;B[rn] ;W[pm]C[Elementary [8k\]: S6 ] ;B[rm]C[Scribe [-\]: white is split again icebucket [11k?\]: 3 Scribe [-\]: black has a big corner agui [4k\]: Nice ! ])) (;B[qj] ;W[rk] ;B[ri] (;W[pl]C[hansb [1k\]: R9 jerkovicj [2d?\]: s10 was played from 3d, it's not really bad move Grimley [1k\]: r9 now Scribe [-\]: white gains shape etl3 [?\]: jump? smudge [7k\]: r12 MrShintou [-\]: s8 xushibagua [7k\]: r8? ] ;B[qk] ;W[ql] ;B[rm] (;W[rl] ;B[rn]C[Grimley [1k\]: white q8 should be r8 ] ;W[qi]C[Scribe [-\]: again a big corner ] ;B[rh]C[Scribe [-\]: white without eyes ]) (;W[rn] ;B[rl])) (;W[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: r9 is a critical move in this sequence ] ;B[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: s5 prevents white r3 etl3 [?\]: I see... jerkovicj [2d?\]: this is also often in san-ren-sei ]))) (;W[pl]C[AndreAy [2k\]: s10 - r10 ? ] ;B[qj]) (;W[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: s10 is overplay icebucket [11k?\]: works against 22K :D ])) (;B[pl] ;W[pc] ;B[qc] ;W[qd]C[baitem [6k\]: extend splice [9k\]: R18? xushibagua [7k\]: r15 Creslin [6k\]: R18? hansb [1k\]: S17? etl3 [?\]: R18 I like hariko [2d\]: s17 Scribe [-\]: white is overplay MrShintou [-\]: p16 hariko [2d\]: should W play q15 before p17? SJC [14k\]: ohh Jadeite [?\]: overplay Elementary [8k\]: lol Hikari [5k\]: haha icebucket [11k?\]: Weeee!!!! partisan [7k\]: you could .( agui [4k\]: ;-) Scribe [-\]: learn these lessons and no one can give you nine stones anymore ! Jadeite [?\]: not game, examples Elementary [8k\]: baiduk Templar [7k\]: baduk? Assu [2d\]: ah, baduk partisan [7k\]: witch is great ! MattHunt [10k?\]: much appreciated :) ] (;B[rc]C[Scribe [-\]: nobi away from white's strength ] (;W[rd]C[AndreAy [2k\]: p17 ] ;B[re] ;W[qe] ;B[pe] ;W[qf] ;B[oc]C[etl3 [?\]: ahhh Scribe [-\]: white q17 killed Scribe [-\]: white lost cutting stone....severe ]) (;W[qe]C[AndreAy [2k\]: p17 hansb [1k\]: Q15 ] (;B[oc] ;W[od] ;B[pb] ;W[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: white rejoicesi ]) (;B[pe]LB[oc:A][qf:B]C[smudge [7k\]: nice! ] (;W[qf] ;B[oc]) (;W[pb] ;B[qf]) (;W[pf] ;B[oe]LB[oc:A][qf:B]C[Scribe [-\]: another example of an good empty triangle Javaness [1d\]: oh my eyes hurt SJC [14k\]: xD Scribe [-\]: its the best move hansb [1k\]: i love it Hikari [5k\]: haha rolfie [21k\]: O.o etl3 [?\]: o_o RocheL [-\]: often??? sometimes Scribe [-\]: good shape means that the shape works ! splice [9k\]: The proverb says "Don't follow proverbs blindly SJC [14k\]: can explain? :P smudge [7k\]: Good shape is the shape that works in our game. Repacse [4k?\]: gonna try empty triangle a bit more in my games :-) AndreAy [2k\]: is there a general answer which condition makes empty triangle good? Scribe [-\]: good shape does not mean "looks nice" the move must work! ] (;W[qg] ;B[oc]LB[nc:1][pn:2]) (;W[pb] ;B[qf] (;W[qg] ;B[rf]) (;W[rf] ;B[qg] ;W[re] ;B[rg]C[Truc [4k?\]: Andre: yes, when it's the best move Scribe [-\]: 4 to 3 liberties ])))))) (;B[oc] ;W[pb] ;B[qe] ;W[rd] ;B[od]C[splice [9k\]: wei'qi ] ;W[ob]C[Assu [2d\]: what game is this? Hikari [5k\]: go! ])) (;B[qf]))) (;B[ro]C[etl3 [?\]: R4? ]) (;B[qp])) (;B[pd] ;W[dp] ;B[pq] ;W[dd] ;B[qo] (;W[kq]C[seidelin [2k\]: yes ThomA [9k\]: yes baitem [6k\]: no partisan [7k\]: b schould use his shimari? ] (;B[fc]C[MrShintou [-\]: she is partisan [7k\]: h3? AndreAy [2k\]: ic ] ;W[hc] ;B[cc] ;W[dc] ;B[cd] ;W[de] ;B[db] ;W[eb] ;B[cb] ;W[ec] ;B[cf] ;W[kc] (;B[cn]TR[cf]C[Scribe [-\]: very honest move at L17 rolfie [21k\]: o.O wow Chaotic [-\]: low etl3 [?\]: wrong side Scribe [-\]: c6 is not best move Scribe [-\]: why ? xushibagua [7k\]: r14 AndreAy [2k\]: on an interestin gside splice [9k\]: left is low xushibagua [7k\]: makes left uninteresting icebucket [11k?\]: no support Templar [7k\]: los Templar [7k\]: low splice [9k\]: not so nice AndreAy [2k\]: B is low in the upper right corner MrShintou [-\]: low :( uneven balece etl3 [?\]: better on F3? Elementary [8k\]: no high low balance ] ;W[fp] ;B[dk] ;W[nq]C[Scribe [-\]: c6 not good for two reasons: 1. black is low everywhere on the left RocheL [-\]: isn't l17 low too? ]) (;B[fq]C[Scribe [-\]: Guo Juan played L3 to test her student gomasch [2d\]: (L3 is far, but not too far, normal move) RocheL [-\]: isnt l17 low too???? ] (;W[eq] ;B[fp] ;W[cn] ;B[iq]C[icebucket [11k?\]: make them waste a move? Javaness [1d\]: yes ] ;W[nq] ;B[mp] (;W[mq] ;B[kp] ;W[lp] ;B[lo] ;W[lq] ;B[jp] ;W[mo] ;B[ln] ;W[no] ;B[op] ;W[np]C[Scribe [-\]: f3 forces white to play on the uninteresting left side. uninteresting because of black c14 making the left side small for both ] ;B[do] ;W[co] ;B[cq]C[RocheL [-\]: then this is really a joseki? ]) (;W[pp]C[Javaness [1d\]: looks cool Hikari [5k\]: haha hansb [1k\]: Meijin title match ]) (;W[pr]C[hansb [1k\]: game 6 ])) (;W[hq] (;B[cq] ;W[dq] ;B[cp] ;W[do] ;B[dr] ;W[er] ;B[cr]C[Scribe [-\]: q4 very interesting move that occured recently in a Meijin title game ] ;W[eq]C[RocheL [-\]: w overconcentrated Javaness [1d\]: no it's ok icebucket [11k?\]: you are good baitem [6k\]: no ligo [?\]: no AndreAy [2k\]: no pel [4k\]: no Templar [7k\]: not at all yfh2 [4k?\]: no gomasch [2d\]: no blitzme [1k\]: no littletry [7k\]: no SJC [14k\]: flawless blitzme [1k\]: ok Hikari [5k\]: good~ nodog [7k\]: ok. Jadeite [?\]: ok pel [4k\]: speed is great :) Infostuden [4k\]: fine agui [4k\]: ok Javaness [1d\]: you get excited Hikari [5k\]: nice~ tibra [5k\]: perfectly ok littletry [7k\]: your great sufi [8k\]: :) hansb [1k\]: symmetrical with upper side! SJC [14k\]: yea xD ThomA [9k\]: i do that too hariko [2d\]: fascinating speech goshu [1k\]: scribe is writting too slow Hikari [5k\]: your great!! blitzme [1k\]: for q. no time Templar [7k\]: it's very good, more knowlege for us =\] splice [9k\]: I have 59 games with the position starting at n4, looks interesting ] ;B[cn]TR[cf][cn]C[Jadeite [?\]: don't worry, continue :) ]) (;B[dn] ;W[fp] ;B[gp] ;W[gq] ;B[cp] ;W[eq] ;B[cq] (;W[fo]C[gomasch [2d\]: (maybe explain that K3 is not a trick move from white but a normal move) ] ;B[ck]C[gomasch [2d\]: L3 i mean Scribe [-\]: much better result for black AndreAy [2k\]: B now also on the left side yfh2 [4k?\]: what if W blocks other side ? Jadeite [?\]: would be nice gomasch, but we allready over time :) gomasch [2d\]: right :) hariko [2d\]: we have to improve too hariko [2d\]: ;-) seidelin [2k\]: thanks julot [12k\]: thank you Xanthus [2d\]: :-) littletry [7k\]: THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!! Hikari [5k\]: we love you guojuan lao shi!!!!!!! Javaness [1d\]: thank you guojuan smudge [7k\]: longer is better! sufi [8k\]: stay longer! baitem [6k\]: very good lesson nodog [7k\]: Thank you so much! rayen [1k\]: thx Creslin [6k\]: Thank you Winters [4k\]: thanks Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Guo Juan Javaness [1d\]: thank you scribe SJC [14k\]: Thanks you agui [4k\]: Thank you very much ! gomasch [2d\]: thx, was very nice rayray2006 [10k\]: thx MattHunt [10k?\]: thank you RocheL [-\]: thx to you^^ xushibagua [7k\]: xiexie!!! lightstone [2k\]: thank you celotaped [5k\]: thx Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation Snaipe [21k\]: thanks a lot ericthblue [14k\]: thank you very much etl3 [?\]: Thank you SJC [14k\]: ENCORE!!~~ =P Javaness [1d\]: thank you ing foundation GothicGirl [17k\]: thanks Illo [2k\]: thx AndreAy [2k\]: Thank you much for teaching :-) Sonni [2k\]: thank you icebucket [11k?\]: no us Kyu need to have more tricks to kill dan players. :P au2 [1d\]: THANK YOU Elementary [8k\]: xie xie littletry [7k\]: :))))))))))))))) zierzo [3k\]: thanks MrShintou [-\]: thank you for the lecteur. ruger [7k\]: thank you Krt [1d\]: thx jkk [8k\]: thanks ThomA [9k\]: thank you kirkbobic [2k\]: thx Belgarion [-\]: xie xie Hikari [5k\]: we love you guojuan lao shi!!! octopus [1d\]: thank you very much hariko [2d\]: thx A LOT sufi [8k\]: clap clap smudge [7k\]: Thanks Ing Foundation! Hikari [5k\]: we love you guojuan lao shi!!! CLB [8k\]: thanks blitzme [1k\]: thx to the best teacher on kgs abli [6k\]: thx au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION Hikari [5k\]: we love you guojuan lao shi!!! ]) (;W[] ;B[fr] ;W[er] ;B[fo] ;W[ep]C[Scribe [-\]: white builds thickness but black has both corners securely ]))))) (;B[fq]C[Scribe [-\]: 2. L3 is too far from the corner Elementary [8k\]: so who play white here? ])) (;W[jq]C[AndreAy [2k\]: yes Hikari [5k\]: yes ])))