(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
DT[2006-12-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[ajeje: hi
Zelda23 [6k\]: hi
SsjRadu [1d\]: hello
agui [4k\]: Hello
Vanya [3k\]: hello
thoel [?\]: morning
grumpfl [6k\]: hi
Chopper [?\]: Hello
freccia [19k\]: hello
Kamisama [5k\]: Hello :D
Plunder [5k\]: hiho
grumpfl [6k\]: yes
butterdish: yes we hear
agui [4k\]: yes
SoulShard [-\]: Hi
Kamisama [5k\]: you 2
SsjRadu [1d\]: Merry Christmas
MRei [2d\]: hello
Plunder [5k\]: =) thanks, merry christmas =)
agui [4k\]: Merry Christmas
clemi [?\]: hi
]
(;B[cc]
;W[bc]C[ajeje: i am drunk
]
;B[bd]
;W[cd]
;B[be]
;W[dc]C[murky: Hello
]
(;B[cb])
(;B[ce]
;W[dd]
;B[de]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[ec]
;B[fc]
;W[ad]
;B[fd]
;W[]
;B[hb]C[butterdish: I tried
wauiwa [2d?\]: no
Scribe [-\]: Homework !
wauiwa [2d?\]: oops
butterdish: I think black kills, but I haven't checked all variations
wauiwa [2d?\]: b18?
MRei [2d\]: a18?
Kamisama [5k\]: c18 first move for black
Zelda23 [6k\]: c19?
ScorPuS [3k\]: c18 
]))
(;B[pd]
(;W[dp]C[Scribe [-\]: Game
]
;B[qp]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
(;W[op]C[Scribe [-\]: two 5d players
Scribe [-\]: very popular fuseki
Scribe [-\]: prevents the mini-chinese
]
(;B[cn]
(;W[eo])
(;W[dn]
;B[dm]
(;W[en]
(;B[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: must extend up
]
;W[co]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]LB[hq:A]
;
(;B[]C[Scribe [-\]: h3 is good move for white
]
;W[hq]LB[er:A]TR[en]C[Aivonix [4k\]: Merry christmas from me too :)
Scribe [-\]: good continuation at e2 for white due to the white stone at e6
])
(;B[iq]C[butterdish: too low
agui [4k\]: too low
SsjRadu [1d\]: slow for black?
hansb [1k?\]: black is low
MRei [2d\]: black looks too low
Scribe [-\]: black is somewhat slow
]))
(;B[co]
;W[cp]
(;B[em]
(;W[fm]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[ep]
;W[cm]
;B[bp]
;W[el]
(;B[cq]
;W[dl]C[Vanya [3k\]: black
thoel [?\]: B
Zark [1d\]: black
Scribe [-\]: black and white trade two stones each
reed338 [-\]: w
deepthink [3k\]: black
Aivonix [4k\]: I like w
hansb [1k?\]: white
octopus [1d\]: w
Scribe [-\]: corner is so big
Scribe [-\]: its a game
SsjRadu [1d\]: ok both... corner is a little too big
]
;B[cf]C[hedkandi05 [10k\]: w works with d16 but w has to complete in gote
])
(;B[dl]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]
;W[dk]))
(;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fm]
(;B[do]
;W[eo])
(;B[ep]
(;W[do]
(;B[ck]
;W[fo]
(;B[hq]C[SsjRadu [1d\]: ponuki sente?
])
(;B[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: black needs to fix the left side with either c8 or c9
]))
(;B[cl])
(;B[fo]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[bm]C[SsjRadu [1d\]: oh.. ok
Scribe [-\]: black cries
]))
(;W[fo]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[eq]
;W[cm]
;B[go]
;W[fn]
;B[bp]C[Scribe [-\]: white suffers
]))
(;B[fn]
;W[eq]
;B[fo]
;W[ep]
;B[gq]
;W[go]))
(;W[eq]C[Scribe [-\]: black should enclose white
]
;B[fp]C[desperado [2d\]: 你好
desperado [2d\]: 不
]
(;W[ep]
;B[fn]
;W[fm]C[Scribe [-\]: e3 is a mistake by white
]
;B[gn]
;W[fl]
;B[ck]C[Vanya [3k\]: i like white
Scribe [-\]: black does well on both sides
Scribe [-\]: result is good for black
deepthink [3k\]: i like black
])
(;W[fn]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[ep]
;W[cm]
;B[bp]
;W[bq]C[deepthink [3k\]: 香港人?
]
;B[bo]
(;W[bm]
;B[cq])
(;W[er]
;B[cl]))
(;W[do]C[sufi [6k?\]: thank you fo rtime for questions!
butterdish: I have a 3 move non-joseki
Assu [2d\]: :)
butterdish: ok
]
(;B[fn]C[SsjRadu [1d\]: no... very nice
deepthink [3k\]: no
]
;W[fm]
;B[gn]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[bm]C[deepthink [3k\]: 哦
]
;B[bl]
;W[bo]
;B[ek]C[Assu [2d\]: bad for w
desperado [2d\]: 芬兰人
Scribe [-\]: black is still better
deepthink [3k\]: 會中文的?
])
(;B[cl]C[desperado [2d\]: 是是
Scribe [-\]: two options for white in lower right
]
(;W[go]
;B[hp]
(;W[jp]
;B[ho]
;W[gn])
(;W[jq]C[Assu [2d\]: black can take better shape
desperado [2d\]:  是
SsjRadu [1d\]: a little low?
Scribe [-\]: Game ?
Plunder [5k\]: w want terr
Scribe [-\]: attacking move at k4 for white
Scribe [-\]: Game
]
(;B[gn]
;W[ho]
;B[ip]C[Scribe [-\]: tesuji at g5
])
(;B[ho]C[Scribe [-\]: yes G6...not g5 my error
]
;W[gn]C[sufi [6k?\]: Scribe: wasn't tesuji at G6?
desperado [2d\]: hehe
Assu [2d\]: :P
]
;B[jp]
;W[kp]
;B[jo]
;W[iq]C[Scribe [-\]: black is helping white on both sides...very generous
])))
(;W[gn]
;B[jq]
(;W[qq])
(;W[lq]))))))
(;B[gp]C[Scribe [-\]: bad joseki choice for black in lower left
]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[fp]
;B[fr]
(;W[dk])
(;W[dr]LB[dk:B][jq:A]
;B[jq]
;W[dk]))))
(;W[co]
;B[en]
;W[do]
;B[fo]
;W[cm]C[Scribe [-\]: but here black gets a dual purpose move
]
;B[dl]
;W[bn]
;B[lp]C[Scribe [-\]: joseki
])))
(;B[oq]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[mp]
;B[qn]
;W[iq]LB[iq:A]TR[fq]C[Scribe [-\]: bad continuation for black
Scribe [-\]: misapplication of joseki
hedkandi05 [10k\]: pressures f4
Scribe [-\]: white gets dual purpose...extension and pincer
])
(;B[mq])
(;B[mp])
(;B[lp]))
(;W[cn]
;B[kq]))
(;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[me]C[Assu [2d\]: what´s this!!?
godman [1d\]: da ya liang
Assu [2d\]: how should w play?
desperado [2d\]: how can white play here
guojuan [5p\]: this is called Da Ya Liang in Chinese
Assu [2d\]: oh
]
(;W[]
(;B[dp]
;W[fq]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]
;B[fo]
;W[eq]
;B[dq]
;W[iq]
;B[dn]C[Assu [2d\]: this looks more normal :)
godman [1d\]: Ya Chang
Assu [2d\]: ok
])
(;B[]
;W[ld]
(;B[ne]
;W[oc]
;B[pc]
;W[le]C[sufi [6k?\]: B
Pasukaru [1k\]: w
Vanya [3k\]: god for w
hansb [1k?\]: good for white
butterdish: b
]
;B[dp]C[Assu [2d\]: w
murky: not  for B
]
;W[fq]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]
;B[fo]
;W[eq]
;B[dq]C[deepthink [3k\]: white
]
(;W[iq]C[godman [1d\]: b still have a cut
])
(;W[hp]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
]
(;B[dn]
;W[lq])
(;B[go]
;W[ho]LB[go:A][ho:B]C[Assu [2d\]: no way :)
deepthink [3k\]: no.
butterdish: yes
]
;B[dn]LB[go:A][ho:B]C[Scribe [-\]: exchange of g5 for h5 makes white much better
Assu [2d\]: yes
Kamisama [5k\]: does white need a move aswell now?
desperado [2d\]: shi
deepthink [3k\]: yes
])))
(;B[oc]
;W[ne]
;B[od]
(;W[mf]C[Scribe [-\]: proper black contination is p17
desperado [2d\]: awful order of moves lol
]
;B[dp]
;W[fq]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]
;B[eq]
;W[fo]
;B[ep]
(;W[go])
(;W[hp]
;B[go]
;W[gn]))
(;W[nb]C[Scribe [-\]: the ladder is critical 
]
;B[nf]
;W[le]C[Scribe [-\]: if ladder is bad white must descend
]
;B[mf]
;W[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: q18 leaves too much bad aji in the corner
]
(;B[qc]LB[qj:A]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
Kamisama [5k\]: why 17
Kamisama [5k\]: instead of q18?
]
;W[qj])
(;B[pj]
;W[]
;B[qc]
;W[dd]C[Scribe [-\]: white is better 
]
;B[]
;W[fd]
;B[]
;W[lf]C[Assu [2d\]: yep :)
])))))
(;W[od]
;B[ne]
(;W[oe]
;B[oc]
;W[pc]
;B[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: very complicated
])
(;W[pc]
;B[oe]
;W[oc]
;B[qc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]C[Scribe [-\]: also joseki
]
(;W[rc]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[ld]
;W[lb]
(;B[qe]
;W[rd]C[desperado [2d\]: i like black
])
(;B[rd]
;W[qe]
;B[qf]
;W[re]
;B[rf]
;W[sd]C[Assu [2d\]: joseki?
]))
(;W[qb]
;B[rc]
;W[rb]
;B[rd]
;W[ld]
;B[dp]
;W[fq]C[desperado [2d\]: xiexie mingjiu ;-\]
]
(;B[dj]C[Scribe [-\]: this sequence keeps the m16 stone
Plunder [5k\]: is there also some way after O16 to end up at the right side rather than top side? For this joseki often played to increase black mojo?
])
(;B[fp]
;W[gp]
;B[go]C[Assu [2d\]: can u show some of the harder variations :)
]
;W[ep]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]C[Assu [2d\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: ah ok :)
Assu [2d\]: next time ;D
deepthink [3k\]: ^^
guojuan [5p\]: our audio lecture site
Kamisama [5k\]: dan's are still outnumbered by kyu's so :) easier ones are better
desperado [2d\]: hehe
Assu [2d\]: ic :)
guojuan [5p\]: http://www.audiogolessons.com
])
(;B[fr]C[butterdish: no way!
Kamisama [5k\]: HU?
desperado [2d\]: haha
Assu [2d\]: i´ve seen this :)
Kamisama [5k\]: this cant be good right?
desperado [2d\]: haha
desperado [2d\]: yeah
sufi [6k?\]: you are teasing us  :)
octopus [1d\]: yes
Assu [2d\]: thx
Jadeite [-\]: it's fine :)
Assu [2d\]: very interesting :)
desperado [2d\]: uhum
Plunder [5k\]: just show us plz =) <-- big smile
desperado [2d\]: 7:30 pm
butterdish: ok thanks for lesson
octopus [1d\]: thank you very much
Calyx [3k\]: very nice lesson, thx
desperado [2d\]: thank you mingjiu
Assu [2d\]: sure, thx !
au2 [1d\]: Thanks for the lecture
Slarty [-\]: thank you
toepk [5k?\]: thank you
krynn [9k\]: Thank you!
butterdish: have nice Christmas !
plinkzz [4d\]: thank you very much
kajti [9k\]: thx
SebM [14k?\]: thx
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu
agui [4k\]: Thank you very much
Jadeite [-\]: thank you 
au2 [1d\]: THANKS TO ING FOUNDATION
Plunder [5k\]: thank you for the lessons, and merry x-mas =)
SsjRadu [1d\]: thanks and Merry Christmas
sufi [6k?\]: happy holiday MingJiu
grumpfl [6k\]: thx a lot
clemi [?\]: thx
au2 [1d\]: HAPPY NEW YEAR
agui [4k\]: See you
au2 [1d\]: byebye
Winters [4k\]: thanks
Assu [2d\]: yes ;)
guojuan [5p\]: 大压梁
Jadeite [-\]: bye
Vanya [3k\]: thank you
zee [4k\]: Thanks to you and the ING Foundation
SsjRadu [1d\]: bye
SoulShard [-\]: Thanks you for the lesso, and thanks to ING GO Foundation!
sakura11 [2k\]: thank you
Vanya [3k\]: bye
butterdish: bye bye
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
agui [4k\]: Happy new year !
guojuan [5p\]: that is da ya liang in chinese
agui [4k\]: bye
desperado [2d\]: 88
Assu [2d\]: bye
deepthink [3k\]: thx
sakura11 [2k\]: bye
deepthink [3k\]: bye
santaclaus [5k\]: hi did minjiu answer last homowork?
]))))))
(;B[cp]
;W[eq]
;B[eo]C[butterdish: why are there no josekis starting like this?
butterdish: e.g
]
;W[gp]
;B[dj]
;W[]
;B[qd]
;W[oc]
;B[pe]
;W[md]LB[pi:C][qi:B][pj:D][qj:A]C[Scribe [-\]: this is not a joseki. See the very first problem in "Tricks in Joseki"...see also the Senseis page on this question
Scribe [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?TricksInJoseki
]
;B[]
;W[cq]
(;B[bq]
;W[dp]
(;B[do]
;W[bp]
;B[co]
;W[br]C[Scribe [-\]: black has no reply
])
(;B[co]
;W[do]
;B[dn]TR[qd][pe][eo][cp]C[Assu [2d\]: I have a question
]
;W[en]
;B[]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]))
(;B[dp]
;W[dq]TR[qd][pe][dj][eo][cp]C[Assu [2d\]: yes
butterdish: right
godman [1d\]: y
SsjRadu [1d\]: so this is ok for w?
Scribe [-\]: yes this is good for white
]
(;B[qj])
(;B[pj]C[Assu [2d\]: I have a question o/
butterdish: ok thanks
Assu [2d\]: thx :)
]))))