(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2007-03-04]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
(;B[qp]
;W[rr]
;B[qo]
;W[pq]
;B[rn]
;W[oq]C[Asumi [5d?\]: more looks like professional kyu players to me
]
;B[oo]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;AB[np][nq][lr]C[Asumi [5d?\]: Ni hao, mingjiu laoshi
]
;W[ns]C[pasky [8k\]: yes
Sabai [5k\]: yes
TomoyoHime [2k\]: morning master mingjiu
pel [3k\]: yep
agui [4k\]: Hello,  yes
derPlumps [5k\]: hi
eda [12k\]: yes
aNduri1 [9k\]: hello :D
TomoyoHime [2k\]: loud n clear
Sabai [5k\]: hello
psiklops [4k\]: sound loud !
Scribe [-\]: Nihao Mingjiu
MRei [1d\]: hello
Asumi [5d?\]: jujo gave us homework for the rest of the year!!!
Scribe [-\]: Homework from last week
Asumi [5d?\]: this is piece of cake, compared to jujo's one
SJC [10k\]: hmmm
Asumi [5d?\]: T3 is caaling me to play on it
Asumi [5d?\]: calling*
Asumi [5d?\]: but not sure...
psiklops [4k\]: b S3
pasky [-\]: *frantically tries to remember his solution*
aNduri1 [9k\]: R2 seems nice to me (:
Asumi [5d?\]: T2 instead ov S4
psiklops [4k\]: b q1 and s1 then
derPlumps [5k\]: 1p
Scribe [-\]: 3d problem
pel [3k\]: it was fun :)
]
(;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[ps]
;W[os]
;B[sr]
;W[rq])
(;B[rq]
(;W[qq]
(;B[rp]
;W[sr]C[Asumi [5d?\]: no, it can be a ko
])
(;B[sr]
;W[rp]
;B[sp]))
(;W[sr]
;B[ps]
(;W[os]
;B[qr]
;W[qq]C[derPlumps [5k\]: s4?
]
;B[rs])
(;W[qq]
(;B[os]C[sajmon [2k\]: s4 t4 
]
;W[qs])
(;B[rs]
(;W[os]
;B[qr]
;W[rp]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]
;B[so])
(;W[qr]
;B[os]
;W[qs])))))
(;B[rp]C[psiklops [4k\]: what level is this problem ?
]
(;W[qs]
;B[sr]
;W[sq]
;B[rq]
;W[ss]
;B[sp])
(;W[rq]
;B[sq]
;W[sr]
;B[ps]
(;W[os]
;B[qr]
;W[qq]
;B[rs])
(;W[qq]
;B[rs]LB[qr:B][os:A])))
(;B[sp]C[Asumi [5d?\]: so, in my case the rule is: play above the most appealing spot :)))
derPlumps [5k\]: no qestions
hansili [3k\]: t4  correct move
]
(;W[rq]
;B[sq]
(;W[sr]
;B[ps]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: lol
]
(;W[os]
;B[qr]
;W[qq]
;B[rs])
(;W[qq]C[sajmon [2k\]: killing move = t4 ?
]
;B[rs]))
(;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[sr]
;B[ps]
;W[so]
;B[sp]))
(;W[sq]
;B[rq]
;W[sr]
;B[ps]
;W[qq]
;B[rs]
;W[rp]
;B[so]C[coudi20: lol
])))
(;B[pd]
;W[pq]
;B[dd]C[derPlumps [5k\]: lol
]
;W[cp]
;B[jd]
;W[qf]C[Scribe [-\]: Game from Mingjiu's student(s)
]
(;B[qh]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[rf]
;B[og]C[Scribe [-\]: best for making the moyo
])
(;B[nd]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: P14?
Asumi [5d?\]: I think Mingjiu should open a dojo
])
(;B[pj]C[psiklops [4k\]: w n16 ok ?
derPlumps [5k\]: what is dojo
pasky [-\]: white can o17 or o16?
coudi20: no
JiT [7k\]: why not R9 ?
Scribe [-\]: q10 is too loose
]
;W[qc]
(;B[pc]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]
;B[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: better for the q10 stone to be at q11
]
;W[pg]
;B[og]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[qg]
;B[ng]LB[pi:B][pj:A]C[Scribe [-\]: very common not easy for black to enclose white
])
(;B[qd]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
(;B[qe]
;W[nc]C[Scribe [-\]: actual game !
kakineko [14k\]: eekkk
agui [4k\]: no
ruger [5k\]: no
MRei [1d\]: no
fabster [2k\]: w satisfied
Scribe [-\]: good for white
])
(;B[oc]
;W[qe]C[derPlumps [5k\]: lol
]
;B[pg]C[SPHAX [5k?\]:  Scribe [-\]: Game from Mingjiu's student(s)
]
;W[qg]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: lol
Asumi [5d?\]: Guo Juan lost one game by 1pt in Ing Memorial :(((
]
(;B[qh]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: cool yea
SJC [10k\]: lol cool
]
(;W[cf]
(;B[dj]
;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]
(;B[ed]
;W[bd]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[ec]
;W[ce]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]
;B[ch]TR[dg][pg][ch][qh][dj][pj]C[derPlumps [5k\]: xD
TomoyoHime [2k\]: O_O wah
SJC [10k\]: really big
TomoyoHime [2k\]: B
screwloose [7k\]: w
agui [4k\]: white
SJC [10k\]: i prefer black
pasky [-\]: black
reed338 [-\]: w
kakineko [14k\]: O.O  that was silly.
derPlumps [5k\]: weaknesses
TomoyoHime [2k\]: alot of loop holes
Pasukaru [1k\]: k17
TomoyoHime [2k\]: b go fix shape now?
Asumi [5d?\]: then it must be Mingjiu was around, so the were nervous
]
(;W[ob]C[Scribe [-\]: there is a big problem for Black
screwloose [7k\]: double 
]
(;B[nb]C[derPlumps [5k\]: o17
fabster [2k\]: nice
]
;W[oe]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: ahhh
kakineko [14k\]: worst
]
(;B[pe]
;W[pf]C[Scribe [-\]: White punishes
]
;B[of]
;W[og])
(;B[of]C[derPlumps [5k\]: again
]
;W[pe]
;B[ne]
;W[nf]))
(;B[nc]C[coudi20: lol
]
;W[nb]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[lc]
;W[eb]
;B[fc]
;W[fb]C[derPlumps [5k\]: hehehe
]
;B[gc]C[Scribe [-\]: black at a loss for a response to the white hane of p18
]
;W[gb]
;B[hc]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: half gone
TomoyoHime [2k\]: looks like a human face now
hansb [1d?\]: heart shaped moyo
])
(;B[pf]C[derPlumps [5k\]: o17
]
(;W[nb])
(;W[nc])))
(;W[qn]C[kakineko [14k\]: small
pasky [-\]: I think mingjiu didn't play either ;)
TomoyoHime [2k\]: lol
]
(;B[on]C[Scribe [-\]: white needs to play high to balance out black high stones
Scribe [-\]: white should have played at q5
Assu [2d\]: p4
])
(;B[oo]C[Scribe [-\]: white r6 is too low
TomoyoHime [2k\]: b extends moyo
]
(;W[qp]C[derPlumps [5k\]: which color did you play?
]
;B[pm])
(;W[pp]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]
;B[pl]
;W[ip])
(;W[pm]
;B[qo]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[ro]C[TomoyoHime [2k\]: come come =D
kakineko [14k\]: exit
]
(;B[rp]C[Scribe [-\]: bad shape for whtie
]
(;W[rn]
;B[oq]C[Scribe [-\]: black's sente move
])
(;W[rq]
;B[rn]
;W[sp]
;B[om]C[Scribe [-\]: white enclosed
]))
(;B[oq]C[derPlumps [5k\]: lol
]
;W[rq]C[sajmon [2k\]: oho :)
]
(;B[pp])
(;B[jp]C[sajmon [2k\]: p2 
Scribe [-\]: Black must cut first at s4 before p3
sajmon [2k\]: ^^
]
(;W[or]TR[pm]C[Scribe [-\]: bad move at p2
]
(;B[om]C[Scribe [-\]: white has territory enough...needs to reduce the black moyo
]
;W[ol]
;B[pl])
(;B[eo]
(;W[eq]C[sajmon [2k\]: why is e15 better after hane at e18 ?
]
;B[co]
;W[bp]
(;B[om]C[pasky [-\]: rather p8?
sajmon [2k\]: huhuhuhuhuge
coudi20: airport?
sajmon [2k\]: game over? =)
SPHAX [5k?\]: on the c16 joseki? what is the correct answer to black e16 at e17 ?
derPlumps [5k\]: e17=overplay
agui [4k\]: no
Asumi [5d?\]: who won :))
SPHAX [5k?\]: yup
SPHAX [5k?\]: how to punish is my question
derPlumps [5k\]: look in kogos joseki dictioonary
Fern [2k\]: P17 is a proper move?
QSM [4k?\]: player level? ^^
]
;W[ol]
;B[pl])
(;B[fq]C[kakineko [14k\]: big
Asumi [5d?\]: B's territory is like 15-miles UFOdrome :)))
SJC [10k\]: super cosmic = =
]
(;W[nm]
(;B[dq]C[Scribe [-\]: f3 was slack
]
;W[dp]
;B[ep]C[Scribe [-\]: Black let white in after all
]
;W[er])
(;B[er]
;W[dq]))
(;W[nq]C[Asumi [5d?\]: and there are still E18 and P18 moves :)))
Scribe [-\]: white  is still lost
Scribe [-\]: not correct direction of play, must play o7
]
;B[er]
;W[dq]
;B[fp]
;W[cn]
(;B[do]
;W[bo]LB[dl:A]
;B[ol]C[Asumi [5d?\]: they made more points or mistakes?
]
(;W[nn]
;B[mm]TR[oo][po][qo][oq]C[coudi20: still good for B..?
SPHAX [5k?\]: black is still ahead
Asumi [5d?\]: W plays tengen and lives ;)
coudi20: small airport..
SPHAX [5k?\]: lol @asumi^^
]
;W[mn]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: what about asumi idea?
]
;B[ln]
(;W[lo]
;B[kn]C[Scribe [-\]: on larger scale using L5 to start
])
(;W[dl]LB[dn:B][do:A]
;B[om]
;W[lo]C[Scribe [-\]: black saved small stones and lost big on the bottom center....L5 was only move
]
(;B[kn]C[hansb [1d?\]: nobi
pasky [-\]: who is playing again? is this even a dan game?
])
(;B[on]
;W[kn]C[derPlumps [5k\]: looool
]
;B[lm]
;W[kp])
(;B[]
(;W[jc]
;B[ic]
;W[kd]
;B[id]
;W[lc]
;B[jb]
;W[kc]
;B[kf])
(;W[ob]
;B[nb]
;W[oe]LB[ob:A][oe:B]C[derPlumps [5k\]: looks like a high-dan-player's match
]))))
(;W[ko]C[sajmon [2k\]: why does black play f17 instead of f18 ? I did not get it :)
Scribe [-\]: white must reduce
])
(;W[mm]
(;B[om]
;W[mo]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: invading in the center?
])
(;B[nn]
;W[lo]
;B[mp]
;W[lp]
;B[mq]
;W[lq]
;B[mr]
;W[km]LB[om:A][mo:B]C[Scribe [-\]: there are many cutting points in black's shape
])))
(;B[dn]
;W[bo]C[Scribe [-\]: d5 is a horrible mistake
]
;B[ol]C[Scribe [-\]: black must enclose white again
]))))
(;W[dn]
;B[en]C[Scribe [-\]: e5 good move for Black
]
;W[dm]
;B[em]
;W[ok]LB[or:A]C[Scribe [-\]: White needs to reduce must reduce
Asumi [5d?\]: are they fighting for tengen?
]
;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[er])))
(;W[nm]C[Scribe [-\]: white needs to enter the black moyo
]))
(;B[om]
(;W[or])
(;W[ip]C[Scribe [-\]: j4 much better than p2
]))))
(;W[qo]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: on the c16 joseki? what is the correct answer to black e16 at e17 ?
])))
(;W[po]C[Asumi [5d?\]: they*
])
(;W[pn]C[Scribe [-\]: or q6
]))
(;B[ec]C[sajmon [2k\]: b17 
SPHAX [5k?\]: how to punish this?
derPlumps [5k\]: black e16 = joseki
]
(;W[ed]C[pasky [-\]: what if instead of cutting, white plays b16?
derPlumps [5k\]: first b16 ?
Scribe [-\]: cut is good enough
]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]
;W[eb]
;B[fc]
;W[fb]
;B[ee]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[hc]LB[ch:B][dj:A]C[sajmon [2k\]: b17 is punish too
]
;W[de]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: good for w
]
(;B[ef]
;W[ce])
(;B[bf]
;W[ef]
(;B[fe])
(;B[cg]
;W[hd]
;B[ic]
;W[ab]))
(;B[ab]
;W[cb]
;B[bf]
;W[ef]
;B[cg]
;W[hd]
(;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]
;B[jc]
;W[gb])
(;B[ic]
;W[gb]
;B[hb]
;W[ga]LB[ch:B][dj:A])))
(;W[bd]C[Scribe [-\]: This cut is severe when black is at d10 (far) in place of close at c12
]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
(;B[ed]
;W[ce]
;B[dg])
(;B[ce]
;W[fc]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: here b is not punished
derPlumps [5k\]: joseki
]
(;B[ed]
;W[eb])
(;B[eb]
;W[ed])))))
(;B[ch]
(;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]
;B[ec]C[Scribe [-\]: now hane possible
]
(;W[ed]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]
;W[eb]
;B[fc]
;W[fb]
;B[ee]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[hc]
;W[de]
;B[ab]
;W[cb]
;B[bf]
;W[ef]
;B[da]LB[ch:A][dj:B])
(;W[bc]C[agui [4k\]: is W B17 ok ?
]
;B[ed]
;W[bd]
;B[df]
;W[ce]
;B[dg]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: ....b is fine here?
]))
(;W[ef]
;B[fd]
;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[dj]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[cj]
;W[dk]
;B[cl]
;W[em]
;B[cm]
;W[ep]C[hansili [3k\]: better for white
Jadeite [16k?\]: this is better for White
Scribe [-\]: black stones are enclosed
SPHAX [5k?\]: thx for the answer^^
Asumi [5d?\]: now we have 2 homeworks
])))
(;W[ob]C[Pasukaru [1k\]: usualy 5d :)
]))
(;B[ph]
(;W[ri])
(;W[df]
;B[fd]
;W[cd]
;B[cc]
;W[ce]
;B[bc]
(;W[di]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: on the c16 joseki?how to punish black e16 at e17 ? (the joseki played in the real game)
onemove [1k\]: instead r6 is not better k10?
derPlumps [5k\]: k10 is always right
SPHAX [5k?\]: not this one......
derPlumps [5k\]: even if k10 is self-atari
SPHAX [5k?\]: the previous one
derPlumps [5k\]: user "onemove" asked..
derPlumps [5k\]:  onemove [1k\]: instead r6 is not better k10?
onemove [1k\]: no in real game
pasky [-\]: SPHAX: you have control! :)
]
;B[jj])
(;W[cj]))))))
(;B[pi]))
(;B[cs]
;W[bs]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework
]
;B[dr]
;W[br]
;B[fr]
;W[bq]
;B[gs]
;W[cp]
;B[gq]C[Asumi [5d?\]: next week Guo Juan will give us one too ^_^
]
;W[dp]
;B[hq]
;W[ep]
;B[iq]
;W[fp]
;AW[gp][hp][ip][jq][jr][lr]C[SPHAX [5k?\]: kill?
Asumi [5d?\]: here's an interesting Go database for everyone: http://www.stonebase.cn/stonebase/eng/index.html
Scribe [-\]: White to play
Asumi [5d?\]: W to play
Jadeite [16k?\]: thanks Mingjiu :)
derPlumps [5k\]: e1
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
TomoyoHime [2k\]: thanks for teaching
pasky [-\]: thank you!
coudi20: thank you mingjiu
Student89 [6k\]: ty
Shenron [1k\]: THANKS
MRei [1d\]: thank you
Fern [2k\]: Thanks
Asumi [5d?\]: Thank You very much Mingjiu
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
kirschi [6k\]: hanks
ruger [5k\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: :)
eda [12k\]: thank you
onemove [1k\]: thanks
Oka [22k\]: Thank you
easter [8k\]: thanks to mingjiu and ing
TomoyoHime [2k\]: cya
agui [4k\]: Thank you very much
onion80 [6k\]: thank you
onion80 [6k\]: ciao
Jadeite [16k?\]: thanks to Ing foundation
MRei [1d\]: bye
JiT [7k\]: thx mingjiu
]))