(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
DT[2007-03-11]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cadillac [3d\]: i didnt T.T
]
(;B[ds]
;AW[dp][ep][fp][gp][hp][ip][jp][cq][kq][cr][kr][cs]AB[hq][iq][jq][er][gr][hs]LB[gq:B][fr:A][ir:C][is:D]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework !
MrShintou [-\]: yes ==D
Chrille [10k\]: hello =)
kiyosumi [3d\]: yes
ceeb [2d\]: hi mingjiu sir :\]
seichi [?\]: hello :)
StephanS [8k\]: hi
A1Steak [6k?\]: Ni Hao MingJiu
ceeb [2d\]: 你好
ceeb [2d\]: black ?
Chrille [10k\]: white turn
ceeb [2d\]: ok!
derPlumps [4k\]: lol i hear pets in the backgroud
derPlumps [4k\]: tchiep tchiep tchiep
MrShintou [-\]: do we say?
Chrille [10k\]: white can kill
cadillac [3d\]: white can kill
MrShintou [-\]: white can kill
DeathBlow [15k?\]: white can kill
petro [1k\]: white can kill black
derPlumps [4k\]: black lives
A1Steak [6k?\]: i cant hear sound
Chrille [10k\]: f2
kiyosumi [3d\]: g3
cadillac [3d\]: j2
MrShintou [-\]: its f2
Quax [6k?\]: k1
DeathBlow [15k?\]: g3
petro [1k\]: G3
mjv [-\]: g3
Drai [6k?\]: j1 
MrShintou [-\]: A 
Chrille [10k\]: a
ceeb [2d\]: i choose A
Quax [6k?\]: E
ceeb [2d\]: =\]
petro [1k\]: F1?
cadillac [3d\]: eh, i dont see how a works
Quax [6k?\]: k1
cadillac [3d\]: oh, i see it
farlaanjar [3k\]: c not d on the lastttr
derPlumps [4k\]: too easy
MrShintou [-\]: =D
sprang [-\]: haha
derPlumps [4k\]: ;-D
ceeb [2d\]: 哈哈
MrShintou [-\]: a 10kyu solved it =D
PrzemekS [1k\]: ;>
derPlumps [4k\]: which 10k ?
]
(;W[is]C[MrShintou [-\]: A!!
ceeb [2d\]: A first
ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
ceeb [2d\]: noo
StephanS [8k\]: no
kiyosumi [3d\]: no
]
;B[fs]LB[dr:A][ir:B]C[Bodo212 [7k\]: no
TheChill [5k\]: Why not K1?
])
(;W[ir]C[MrShintou [-\]: k2 for black
]
(;B[fs]C[ceeb [2d\]: uh-huh
]
(;W[jr]LB[dr:B][hr:A]C[farlaanjar [3k\]:  f2f3g3e3j2h2
]
(;B[hr]
;W[fq])
(;B[dr]
;W[fq])
(;B[fq]
;W[gq]))
(;W[fq]
;B[fr]
;W[jr]))
(;B[jr]
;W[js]
;B[fs]C[farlaanjar [3k\]: white frist or black first?
MrShintou [-\]: white to kill
]))
(;W[gq]C[petro [1k\]: so white F1?
]
;B[fs]C[Scribe [-\]: f1 is the key move
])
(;W[fs]
;B[fr]C[ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
])
(;W[fr]
(;B[fs]
;W[fq])
(;B[fq]C[MrShintou [-\]: f1
Chrille [10k\]: f1
farlaanjar [3k\]: but the same thing
TheKifight [4d\]: caddilac
]
;W[fs]C[ceeb [2d\]: ^-^ V
]
(;B[gs]C[Scribe [-\]: k1 sets up both j1 and j2 for white
agui [4k\]: Hello
]
;W[gq]
;B[es]C[MrShintou [-\]: *high-five Chrille*
ljl [3k?\]: j1
ceeb [2d\]: haha
]
(;W[js]C[cadillac [3d\]: hehe
ceeb [2d\]: yea
Chrille [10k\]: done my homework ;)
])
(;W[is]C[Scribe [-\]: j1 is too deep
]
;B[js]C[cadillac [3d\]: haha
ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
]))
(;B[gq]C[MrShintou [-\]: d2 
kiyosumi [3d\]: d2
]
(;W[dr]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: oops
derPlumps [4k\]: g1?
seichi [?\]: :)
]
;B[gs]
;W[es]C[ceeb [2d\]: ko
]
;B[ds]
;W[es]
;B[fs]
;W[eq]
;B[ds]C[farlaanjar [3k\]:  f2f3g3e3j2h2
])
(;W[eq]
(;B[gs]C[cadillac [3d\]: then k1
cadillac [3d\]: oh no
]
(;W[js]
;B[ir]C[cadillac [3d\]: nevermind
kiyosumi [3d\]: j2
])
(;W[ir]C[derPlumps [4k\]: j2
]
;B[jr]
;W[js]C[farlaanjar [3k\]: not mine
Scribe [-\]: black is short liberties
]))
(;B[jr]
;W[dr]C[TheKifight [4d\]: hey
])))
(;B[eq]
;W[gq]C[MrShintou [-\]: works
mariosbank [5k\]: seki?
derPlumps [4k\]: j1 lol
cadillac [3d\]: dead
derPlumps [4k\]: lol seki
MrShintou [-\]: black is dead
]
(;B[gs]C[farlaanjar [3k\]: this is mine
Chrille [10k\]: d2
ceeb [2d\]: j1 
derPlumps [4k\]: mario told seki
]
;W[is])
(;B[ir]
;W[dr]
;B[gs]
;W[es]
;B[ds]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: no
]
;W[es])))))
(;B[dp]
;W[pq]
;B[cd]C[ceeb [2d\]: i did :-\]
MrShintou [-\]: but you are silly cadillac
]
;W[qc]C[cadillac [3d\]: yes, we hear him
TheKifight [4d\]: o16 
]
(;B[pd]C[derPlumps [4k\]: ceeb you 10kyu
ceeb [2d\]: yup
]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]C[cadillac [3d\]: what if c16 stone was at d16?
]
;W[ob]
;B[md]C[ceeb [2d\]: yea
]
;W[rf]
;B[ph]LB[ed:A][jp:B]C[cadillac [3d\]: i should eat my breakfast huh
MrShintou [-\]: yaya
ceeb [2d\]: i like it
TheKifight [4d\]: looks nice
derPlumps [4k\]: bad for white?
ceeb [2d\]: i like black
MrShintou [-\]: i like white
FransCV [4k\]: good for b
Jadeite [15k?\]: B
ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
farlaanjar [3k\]: did you guys hear anything?
TheKifight [4d\]: o17 and later j17 
]
(;C[Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu does not like Black's position
MrShintou [-\]: e16 
sprang [-\]: e17
agui [4k\]: E16
Scribe [-\]: add Black d16 and White K4, then is okay for Black
ceeb [2d\]: f16 
Quax [6k?\]: e16 or f17
kakineko [14k\]: D14
mariosbank [5k\]: f3, or r6
FransCV [4k\]: f17
DeathBlow [15k?\]: f17
derPlumps [4k\]: what is "chince" ?
]
(;W[]
(;B[fd])
(;B[ed]
;W[jp]))
(;W[fd]C[ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
ceeb [2d\]: me too
Scribe [-\]: e17 inconsistent with black joseki in upper right
]
(;B[ec]TR[ec][md][pd][pe][ph]C[cadillac [3d\]: what if that corner stone was at star point?
TomoyoHime [2k\]: both terry n influence if possible
TheKifight [4d\]: the best openin here for black . is to play at O16 and later make a chince opening
]
(;W[ed]
(;B[dd]
;W[fc]C[derPlumps [4k\]: no pincer possible?
]
;B[eb]
;W[eg])
(;B[fc]
;W[dd]
;B[dc]
;W[ce]
(;B[gd])
(;B[cc]LB[ob:A]
;W[gd]C[cadillac [3d\]: avalanche joseki :)
ceeb [2d\]: ayee
])))
(;W[fc]
;B[ed]
;W[fe]
;B[ee]
;W[ff]
;B[dg]
;W[kd]C[Scribe [-\]: simple effective plan for whtie
]))
(;B[df]
;W[id]))
(;W[ec]))
(;W[fd]C[cadillac [3d\]: chinese, probably
])
(;W[fc]C[Scribe [-\]: top right joseki played too early on
TheKifight [4d\]: h16 
TheKifight [4d\]: h16 to help the joseki in the right side
darkpengin [9k\]: q5
JGurgeh [7k\]: Intuition = j17
Quax [6k?\]: d17
FransCV [4k\]: d17
MrShintou [-\]: h17 
]
(;B[dc]
;W[id])
(;B[ed]C[ceeb [2d\]: e16 
]
(;W[fd]
(;B[ec])
(;B[fe]TR[md]C[nicat [2k\]: e16 or k3
]
;W[ge]C[Scribe [-\]: f15 works with n16 stones
]
;B[ff]))
(;W[db]
;B[hd]TR[cd][ed][hd][md]
;W[fd]
;B[fe]
;W[ge]C[TheKifight [4d\]: yes
ceeb [2d\]: yeah
]
;B[gd]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[dd]
;B[de]
;W[ec]
;B[ef]
;W[ce]
;B[ed]
;W[bd]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[dd]
;W[df]
;B[ee]
;W[bb]
;B[cf]
;W[be]
;B[dg]LB[dj:A][dk:B]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: XD this is joseki?
ceeb [2d\]: yeah
cadillac [3d\]: haha
ceeb [2d\]: :-\]
ceeb [2d\]: strong influence
Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu prefers Black
ceeb [2d\]: yeah
FransCV [4k\]: get it
ceeb [2d\]: ;-\]
MrShintou [-\]: no...
MrShintou [-\]: i don't like b ><
ceeb [2d\]: haha
]))
(;B[hc]C[ceeb [2d\]: o ou
]
;W[cc]C[mariosbank [5k\]: wo
]
(;B[dd]
;W[dc]
;B[ed]
;W[fb]
;B[ge]C[petro [1k\]: no
ceeb [2d\]: no..
TheKifight [4d\]: black dot have stone at d10  
]
(;W[dj]C[TheKifight [4d\]: no
Scribe [-\]: white takes sente and keep point on the left at d10
Scribe [-\]: bad result for black
])
(;W[jp]
;B[dj]))
(;B[dc]C[TheKifight [4d\]: d17 \]
]
;W[dd]LB[cb:A][ed:B]C[petro [1k\]: A first
agui [4k\]: A
MrShintou [-\]: A
seichi [?\]: A
FransCV [4k\]: a
mariosbank [5k\]: a
]
(;B[ed]
;W[de]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[bc]
;W[db]
;B[cc]
;W[fe])
(;B[cb]
;W[bc]
;B[ed]C[Scribe [-\]: must play c18 first
]
(;W[ec]
;B[de]
;W[db]
;B[dd])
(;W[de]
;B[ec]C[MrShintou [-\]: e15 
MrShintou [-\]: d13 ...
FransCV [4k\]: no
petro [1k\]: i do
agui [4k\]: B18
TheKifight [4d\]: b18 possible too
ceeb [2d\]: b18 
petro [1k\]: C14
mariosbank [5k\]: b18
Jadeite [15k?\]: b18 ?
]
(;W[bb]
(;B[ef]C[Scribe [-\]: black creates big moyo
FransCV [4k\]: ok
ceeb [2d\]: yeap
ceeb [2d\]: got it
agui [4k\]: yes
ceeb [2d\]: ;-\]
ceeb [2d\]: yes please
gezope [10k\]: =)
mariosbank [5k\]: yes
agui [4k\]: yes
FransCV [4k\]: nice
TheKifight [4d\]: no
gezope [10k\]: of corse=)
TheKifight [4d\]: yes
TheKifight [4d\]: sure
]
(;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[ee]
;B[fe]C[gezope [10k\]: hehe
]
;W[ff]
;B[cf]
;W[eg]
;B[ce]
;W[ef]
;B[dh]
;W[fd]
;B[fb]LB[hc:A]C[ceeb [2d\]: ouu
]
;W[ge]
;B[db]C[mariosbank [5k\]: ouch
kiyosumi [3d\]: haha
])
(;W[ee]C[gezope [10k\]: cool=)
]
;B[fe]
;W[ce]C[Quax [6k?\]: f14
]
(;B[fd]C[FransCV [4k\]: b
sprang [-\]: black
Quax [6k?\]: white
mariosbank [5k\]: b
agui [4k\]: for white
petro [1k\]: yes
seichi [?\]: w
sprang [-\]: hah
gezope [10k\]: black
MrShintou [-\]: i like w
Bodo212 [7k\]: b
ceeb [2d\]: really hard to say
MrShintou [-\]: it was blacks corner origionaly
]
(;W[mb]C[petro [1k\]: O16 first?
ceeb [2d\]: it wasnt ;-\] nothings yours until it really is yours
])
(;W[lc])
(;W[nd]C[petro [1k\]: foull play
]
;B[ne]
;W[nc]
(;B[me]
;W[lc])
(;B[lc])))
(;B[ff]
(;W[fd])
(;W[jc]
;B[]
;W[fb]
;B[fd]
;W[hb]))))
(;B[fd]C[ceeb [2d\]: hehe
TheKifight [4d\]: bad
ceeb [2d\]: slow
mariosbank [5k\]: huh?!?
]
;W[cf]LB[bb:B][fd:A]C[gezope [10k\]: why is it bad? is it slow?
]))
(;W[cf]C[ceeb [2d\]: now where does black play?
cadillac [3d\]: worse than joseki
]
(;B[bb]
;W[bd]
;B[]
;W[ff])
(;B[]
(;W[ff]
;B[]
;W[gc]
;B[hd]
(;W[ge]
;B[eb]C[ceeb [2d\]: nice
])
(;W[]
;B[bb]C[derPlumps [4k\]: WOOOW
]
;W[bd]
;B[]
;W[fe]LB[eb:A]
;B[fd]
;W[gd]
;B[ge]C[PrzemekS [1k\]: Wow
]
(;W[eb])
(;W[hb]
;B[ib]
;W[he]C[gezope [10k\]: wow
]
;B[gf]C[mariosbank [5k\]: oh
]
;W[ic])))
(;W[bb]
(;B[fd]
;W[]C[TheKifight [4d\]: i mean
TheKifight [4d\]: white
]
(;B[qo]C[hariko [3d\]: what if W plays diagonal p4?
TheKifight [4d\]: i think white can pincer and later use the S14 stone
]
;W[op]C[kakineko [14k\]: Question.  Why won't white pincer here?
hariko [3d\]: ok thx
]
;B[jq]C[TheKifight [4d\]: p4 i dont like
]
;W[pn]
;B[qm]C[ceeb [2d\]: :D
])
(;B[po]C[TheKifight [4d\]: i dont like p4  for white
]
;W[np]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[qp]C[Ykuro [6k\]: what about the C3 corner? Seems good for both
MrShintou [-\]: =D
gezope [10k\]: =)
FransCV [4k\]: ok
]
;W[or]
;B[ql]LB[hc:C][dd:A][ed:B]C[kakineko [14k\]: R10 invasion later?
sprang [-\]: hardly any points for black on the right
gezope [10k\]: how can black stop destroy? 
]
(;W[rh])
(;W[qj]
;B[rh]C[cadillac [3d\]: hey mingjiu, what if black's upper right corner stone was at star piont?
kakineko [14k\]: Ok.  thx
cadillac [3d\]: upper left*
])))
(;B[po]
;W[np]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[qp]C[gezope [10k\]: ok=)
]
(;W[rr]
;B[ql])
(;W[or]C[ceeb [2d\]: blacks skirt open all over the board...
]
;B[ql]TR[rf]))
(;B[qo]C[FransCV [4k\]: i dont get that
MrShintou [-\]: if that joseki is played in the top right and you wanna approach the komoku at q3 play r5 not q5
petro [1k\]: the bad move will prove to be a crucial ladder breaker of course
]
;W[]
;B[fd]C[kakineko [14k\]: and White won't pincer R5 because of D4?
]))))
(;W[ee]C[ceeb [2d\]: :D
Scribe [-\]: e15 just helps black
]
;B[fd])))))))
(;B[oc])
(;B[nd])
(;B[pf]))
(;B[sb]
;W[rb]
;B[ra]
;W[qb]
;B[rc]
;W[qc]
;B[rd]
;W[qd]
;B[qe]
;W[pd]
;B[pe]
;W[oc]
;B[re]
;W[nc]
;B[od]
;W[mb]
;AB[lb][jc][lc][md][nd]C[MrShintou [-\]: ...
Scribe [-\]: Homework !
TheKifight [4d\]: q19 
sprang [-\]: black to kill :)
MrShintou [-\]: White to kill
cadillac [3d\]: haha
gezope [10k\]: haha
cadillac [3d\]: shintou, white to kill himself?
MrShintou [-\]: no b
ceeb [2d\]: thank you
Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi
FransCV [4k\]: ok thx
cadillac [3d\]: :P
MrShintou [-\]: white to kill b
sprang [-\]: thank you!
hariko [3d\]: thx you very much
cadillac [3d\]: thanks mingjiu
gezope [10k\]: thanks 
easter [8k\]: thanks
Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation
phosphere [3k?\]: thx much.
MrShintou [-\]: thanks Ming Jiu =D!
TheKifight [4d\]: thanks very much
hariko [3d\]: thx kgs ;-)
confused [-\]: thanks! 
]))