(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] DT[2007-04-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Child [13k\]: hi AA101: hi offtosea [7k\]: hello mingjui! Javaness [1d\]: hi hi Kamisama [4k\]: hi wbendick [9k\]: hi mb76 [7k\]: hi offtosea [7k\]: yes TheChill [5k\]: Hello! Shana [5k\]: hi zee [4k\]: yes Child [13k\]: sound ok farlaanjar [3k\]: yes agui [4k\]: Hello siegpier [-\]: Hello AA101: hi mingjiu eda [10k\]: hi :) lupis [3k\]: good evenig shuuin [4k\]: homework shuuin [4k\]: can you repeat the question? Assu [3d\]: :P shuuin [4k\]: ok Assu [3d\]: where is guojuan? zweitNick [5k\]: no guo juan today? Assu [3d\]: we miss her :) shuuin [4k\]: she's alive zweitNick [5k\]: so longer mingjiu lesson instead farlaanjar [3k\]: thank you minjiu ZzRobinzZ [8k\]: 謝謝 :) icebucket [-\]: thx Antiphet [3k\]: Feichang ganxie. wbendick [9k\]: thanks TheChill [5k\]: thank you dsaun [1k\]: thank you zweitNick [5k\]: thanks mingjiu lupis [3k\]: bye, till next week and thx for the lecture. Komulink [17k\]: thank you sufi [7k?\]: thank you Teacher eda [10k\]: thank you Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu ! agui [4k\]: Thank you very much ! jantiff [-\]: thank you BlueOcean [2d\]: thank you Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundaion Sabai [5k\]: thx shuuin [4k\]: see you farlaanjar [3k\]: bye offtosea [7k\]: thanks Ing go foundation and mingjui agui [4k\]: See you AA101: bye eda [10k\]: bye Komulink [17k\]: byye wbendick [9k\]: bye agui [4k\]: bye ] (;B[pd] ;W[dp] ;B[cd] ;W[qp] ;B[cn] (;W[ed] ;B[fq] ;W[eo] ;B[cq]C[Kamisama [4k\]: white g4? agui [4k\]: D3 ] (;W[gp]C[reed338 [5k?\]: p3 ] (;B[cp]C[Qualx [9k\]: yay! sunday lecture icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Black had choice on D3, C4 for direction of joseki. and B can tenuke afterwards ] ;W[gq]) (;B[dq] ;W[gq] ;B[] ;W[cp])) (;W[dm] (;B[cp]) (;B[dq])) (;W[dg] ;B[jc]TR[cd]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: white refuse to do the exchange and save it for later opportunities. so W tenuke icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: What does K17 means? ] ;W[cc]TR[cd]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B treats C16 light and play fast. such as this sequence ending B on P4 Javaness [1d\]: D17 Child [13k\]: b17 icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: There is a tesuji. Vanya [3k\]: d17 ] (;B[op]C[Qualx [9k\]: bucket, are you doing this as voluntary work? ] (;W[lp] (;B[on]) (;B[qo]) (;B[pm] ;W[oo] ;B[no] ;W[on] ;B[pp] (;W[qn] ;B[qq] ;W[qo] ;B[nn] ;W[om] ;B[pr] ;W[qi]TR[lp]C[Kamisama [4k\]: white icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Joseki. How is this result?? B or W? flogo [3d\]: black icebucket [-\]: it's black's turn B can do something to that stone flogo [3d\]: m4 dead agui [4k\]: no icebucket [-\]: 2 floater Vanya [3k\]: yes kgs25kyu [4d\]: l 6 for b ? ] ;B[dq]) (;W[qo]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: In game white probably should p[lay R5 depends on ladder ] (;B[po] ;W[pn] ;B[qn] ;W[qm] ;B[rn] ;W[rm] ;B[om]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: This is the ladder W need to read Kamisama [4k\]: well its good for white so :) ]) (;B[qq]) (;B[mp] ;W[qq]C[Qualx [9k\]: i suppose n4 on q5 is hopeless. icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: How about here. in this variation. B or W? offtosea [7k\]: w agui [4k\]: black kgs25kyu [4d\]: w Qualx [9k\]: w TheChill [5k\]: W Vanya [3k\]: w mugeimumei [5k?\]: w jantiff [-\]: w still eda [10k\]: w Shana [5k\]: w ])))) (;W[oq]C[icebucket [-\]: yes ] (;B[nq] ;W[pq] ;B[np] ;W[qn] ;B[jp] ;W[dm] ;B[dq] ;W[cm] (;B[hp] ;W[nr] ;B[mr] ;W[or]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B shapes not efficient. 'cause need to cover H4, N4 weakness ] ;B[lq]) (;B[] (;W[hq]) (;W[ip]TR[eo]))) (;B[pp])) (;W[pn] ;B[qq] ;W[rq] ;B[pq] ;W[ro] ;B[kq]TR[cq][fq][kq][pq][qq]C[kgs25kyu [4d\]: l3 Child [13k\]: too low ? Kamisama [4k\]: too low now? icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Another joseki ariant Jadeite [15k?\]: low icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: 5 stones on 3rd line. agui [4k\]: no ] ;W[dm]) (;W[oo]C[BlueMoon [-\]: pincer at n3? ] ;B[no] ;W[on] ;B[pp] ;W[qo]C[Qualx [9k\]: kgs25kyu, you're outvoted ] (;B[kp] ;W[qq]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: commpare it with this joseki ]) (;B[mp] ;W[qq]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B Q7 has no significant meaning at the time. But what about Exchange A, B? White had lost ] ;B[pm] ;W[lp] ;B[lo]LB[lo:B][lp:A]TR[pm]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: how about now? Kamisama [4k\]: black henzino [10k\]: b agui [4k\]: black eda [10k\]: b ]) (;B[pm] ;W[lp] (;B[mp] ;W[lo] ;B[nn]C[icebucket [-\]: Welcome back Scribe. take over :) ] ;W[om] ;B[qq] (;W[rq] ;B[rr] ;W[qr] ;B[pq] ;W[sr]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: how about here? agui [4k\]: S4 TheChill [5k\]: push and cut ] ;B[po] ;W[pn] ;B[qn] ;W[ro] ;B[mm]TR[lo][lp]C[jantiff [-\]: ok Scribe [-\]: White did not increase territory, bu the two marked stones are very heavy agui [4k\]: yes Scribe [-\]: no large increase ] ;W[ol]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Ths is still a ladder siegpier [-\]: White ] ;B[kn]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: How about this? ] ;W[ip] ;B[dq]LB[qj:A]C[Vanya [3k\]: good for b thinktwice [?\]: black henzino [10k\]: white eda [10k\]: w agui [4k\]: S4 first ? ] ; ;W[] ;B[qj] ;W[ql]C[Asumi [5d?\]: if W is Kato THE KILLER, then W is better ^_^ Scribe [-\]: Mingjiu prefers Black in this situation icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B is better here offtosea [7k\]: b ]) (;W[qn] ;B[rq]LB[lo:B][mp:A])) (;B[qq]C[Vanya [3k\]: almost Scribe [-\]: influence from upper stones hurt ] (;W[qn] ;B[nn] ;W[om] ;B[mp] ;W[lo]C[agui [4k\]: no thinktwice [?\]: no Shana [5k\]: no jantiff [-\]: no ] ;B[rq]LB[lo:B][mp:A]C[Scribe [-\]: exchange is good for White ]) (;W[rq]C[Asumi [5d?\]: well, long time ago, Masters used to chose students, today students chose Masters henzino [10k\]: someone turned on a computer? ] (;B[qr] ;W[np]C[jantiff [-\]: so even with R5 b can fight hard ] ;B[rr] ;W[nq] ;B[or]C[Scribe [-\]: Bad move by Black at r2 ] (;W[qn]C[thinktwice [?\]: good for white Scribe [-\]: black boxed in too small....very good for white Qualx [9k\]: sorry, what did you say about q5? ] ;B[ql] ;W[qm]C[jantiff [-\]: :) ]) (;W[qm]C[Scribe [-\]: d16 better than b16 to fix the shape in the upper left ] (;B[ql] (;W[rm] (;B[dq]) (;B[mo]) (;B[] ;W[pl] (;B[pk]) (;B[pj]))) (;W[qn])) (;B[dq]C[Scribe [-\]: very slow move by Black at d3 eda [10k\]: does black has to close q8 after r8? Asumi [5d?\]: Mingjiu*, sorry ] (;W[ql] ;B[mo]) (;W[bd] (;B[ql]C[Scribe [-\]: b16.....Why ??? ] ;W[rm]C[icebucket [-\]: takes corner ] (;B[mo]) (;B[pl]C[agui [4k\]: what about M5 ? ] ;W[mm] ;B[qg] ;W[qi]C[jantiff [-\]: try q5 to learn something, not r2 fab [-\]: black need to cut at Q5 instead or R2 icebucket [-\]: bad idea doesn't do much ] ;B[nk] ;W[oi] ;B[nm] ;W[nn] ;B[mj] ;W[mi] ;B[li] ;W[mh] ;B[lj] ;W[lh] ;B[kh] ;W[ok] ;B[kg]C[agui [4k\]: Yes TheChill [5k\]: who won? kimba [1k\]: who won the game? Dita [1k\]: lol zweitNick [5k\]: doesnt matter Asumi [5d?\]: what do they think about this game, your student????? agui [4k\]: Wghat about M5 after N5 Asumi [5d?\]: 40min+1min byoyomi icebucket [-\]: close to tournament time fab [-\]: one min byo-yomi still is a lot ^^ Iceborg [6k\]: w o8 - is it a cut? kimba [1k\]: lets not be too strict Qualx [9k\]: yay? ])) (;B[ce])) (;W[dd]C[Asumi [5d?\]: 2nd line seems very popular in Mingju's school ^_^ icebucket [-\]: C16 has Tesuji at B15 ])) (;B[]C[Jadeite [15k?\]: criticise ] (;W[ql]) (;W[bd] ;B[dq] ;W[] ;B[ql] ;W[rm]LB[gc:C][pc:G][ce:E][qg:B][pi:A][pj:H][ck:D][jq:F]TR[pm]C[Billator [2d\]: q11 kimba [1k\]: r13 Child [13k\]: g17 Vanya [3k\]: B fab [-\]: C9 jantiff [-\]: C15 ? eda [10k\]: k3 ? TheChill [5k\]: Q17? icebucket [-\]: running out of alphabet... dsaun [1k\]: these can't all be right :) icebucket [-\]: N8!!! agui [4k\]: Q10 ] (;B[mo]C[Vanya [3k\]: o8 ? Scribe [-\]: URGENT MOVE agui [4k\]: M5 ] ;W[kp] (;B[mm] ;W[pl] ;B[ip]C[icebucket [-\]: n5 attacking move. nice jantiff [-\]: of course :( ]) (;B[pl])) (;B[pl] ;W[mm]TR[pl][ql][pm]C[icebucket [-\]: BIg center henzino [10k\]: no kimba [1k\]: no wbendick [9k\]: white jantiff [-\]: no ! Dita [1k\]: Q8 feels small now ] ;B[qg]C[icebucket [-\]: aggressive.. icebucket [-\]: but very inefficient kimba [1k\]: both bad ] (;W[qi]LB[bd:A][qi:B]C[icebucket [-\]: white attacks Q group ] (;B[oi]C[jantiff [-\]: so the invasion is not worth it ! ]) (;B[nk]LB[ln:B][ko:A] ;W[oi]LB[kn:A]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: bad exchange ] (;B[nm]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Very bad idea for B ] ;W[nn] ;B[mj]LB[nm:A][nn:B]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: This is likely Blacks plan to run out icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: black should make O7 exchange prior N10 Child [13k\]: well, he is only 6d ] ;W[mi] ;B[li] ;W[mh] ;B[lj] ;W[lh]) (;B[mj] (;W[ok]C[fab [-\]: shouldn't* ] ;B[nl] ;W[ol] ;B[om] ;W[nm] ;B[oj] ;W[pk] ;B[pj] ;W[qk] ;B[qj] ;W[rk] ;B[rj]C[zweitNick [5k\]: lol jantiff [-\]: lol agui [4k\]: :)) ]) (;W[mi] ;B[nm] ;W[nn] ;B[li] ;W[mh]C[Scribe [-\]: Good result for White ] ;B[lj] ;W[lh]C[Scribe [-\]: White runs through Blacks influence area zhihao [4k\]: scold seriously icebucket [-\]: spanked? ] ;B[kh] (;W[kg]C[Dita [1k\]: harsh words? icebucket [-\]: very critical? Scribe [-\]: misguided ? Asumi [5d?\]: students who dont listen Master's advice ^_^ Jadeite [15k?\]: say again jantiff [-\]: ^^ kiyosumi [3d\]: very serious? icebucket [-\]: >.< I can just say. the student got yelled? ] ;B[jh] ;W[jg]) (;W[ok] ;B[kg]LB[nm:A][nn:B]C[Billator [2d\]: s9 ] ;W[ol] ;B[om] ;W[nl] ;B[ml] (;W[nj] ;B[mn] ;W[lm] ;B[po]C[jantiff [-\]: yes ]) (;W[mn] ;B[oj] ;W[pk] ;B[pj] ;W[qk] ;B[qj] ;W[rk] ;B[rj])))))) (;W[rk]) (;W[mk] (;B[pi]) (;B[rl] ;W[oj] ;B[qi]C[eda [10k\]: this icebucket [-\]: this is stronger henzino [10k\]: this ]) (;B[])) (;W[gp]TR[mm]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: white should go G4 and make its group work together Dita [1k\]: D7 is a option too? ])))))) (;B[po] ;W[pn] ;B[qn])) (;W[np]C[Scribe [-\]: Black need not fear this cut kimba [1k\]: complex ] ;B[po] ;W[pn] ;B[qn] (;W[rn] ;B[qm] ;W[rq]C[flogo [3d\]: sacrifice ? Asumi [5d?\]: ladders never work when you need 'em ] ;B[pq]C[TheChill [5k\]: Would B N7 be able to capture cutting stones? ] ;W[rr] (;B[nq] ;W[mp] ;B[nm] ;W[nn] ;B[mn] ;W[mo] ;B[om] ;W[no]C[Scribe [-\]: ladder good for White, makes cut at o4 doable agui [4k\]: P2 icebucket [-\]: P2? icebucket [-\]: >.< agui [4k\]: :) TheChill [5k\]: N2 ] (;B[or] (;W[qr] ;B[lr] ;W[pr] ;B[oq]C[siegpier [-\]: n2 ] (;W[kr] ;B[lq] ;W[kq] ;B[kp]LB[fq:A]) (;W[mr] ;B[mq] ;W[lq] ;B[ms] ;W[kr] ;B[nr] (;W[os] ;B[jr]C[agui [4k\]: L3 icebucket [-\]: that is ugly. Billator [2d\]: q1 thinktwice [?\]: l3 ] ;W[ks] ;B[kq]) (;W[ks]C[Billator [2d\]: kill looks good here agui [4k\]: instead of M1 ] (;B[ls] ;W[os]C[icebucket [-\]: ko ] ;B[kq] ;W[kp] ;B[jq] ;W[ps]C[jantiff [-\]: oops :) icebucket [-\]: >.< bad. agui [4k\]: L3 first ]) (;B[kq] ;W[kp] ;B[jq] ;W[ls] ;B[jr] ;W[mr] ;B[ro]C[icebucket [-\]: yay i was right. KO ])))) (;W[mr] (;B[nr] ;W[qr] ;B[mq] ;W[lq] ;B[lr] ;W[pr] ;B[oq]C[icebucket [-\]: aww.. ] ;W[ms]C[Javaness [1d\]: ohoh icebucket [-\]: yeap icebucket [-\]: done cooked kimba [1k\]: nice agui [4k\]: ahhhh , yes ! Nice !! ]) (;B[qr] ;W[nr] ;B[rs] ;W[rm] ;B[rl] ;W[ps]))) (;B[mr] ;W[or] ;B[pr] ;W[lr]TR[nn][on][pn][oo])) (;B[mp] ;W[nq] ;B[mq] (;W[mo] ;B[nn]) (;W[nr] ;B[mm]C[icebucket [-\]: ?? jantiff [-\]: ouch Qualx [9k\]: i like that move Billator [2d\]: o6 Qualx [9k\]: ladder breaks. jantiff [-\]: thick Billator [2d\]: o6 Vanya [3k\]: outside thickness Billator [2d\]: no o6 icebucket [-\]: whtie live small ] (;W[om] ;B[ol]C[agui [4k\]: nice squeeze Billator [2d\]: noi ]) (;W[nm] ;B[nn]) (;W[nn] ;B[mo]C[icebucket [-\]: W N5? ] ;W[pr] ;B[ro] ;W[rp] ;B[mn] ;W[qr] ;B[cp]C[jantiff [-\]: thick game icebucket [-\]: B sufi [7k?\]: B Billator [2d\]: g4 kimba [1k\]: b agui [4k\]: black offtosea [7k\]: b Child [14k\]: b ])))) (;W[rq] ;B[pq] ;W[rn] ;B[qm] (;W[rr] ;B[mp] ;W[nq] ;B[mq] ;W[nr]C[agui [4k\]: Nice !! ] ;B[mm]C[icebucket [-\]: scribe are you scribing or should I continue? Billator [2d\]: o6 ] ;W[nn] ;B[mo] ;W[pr] ;B[ro] ;W[rp] ;B[mn] ;W[qr] (;B[go]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: White has no choice but B N7 takes outside influence and White live small. ]) (;B[cp]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: white is push to take small corner while B establish big outside ])) (;W[nq] ;B[rr] (;W[rp] (;B[sr] (;W[pr] ;B[qr] ;W[or] ;B[rm]) (;W[rm]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Black lives ] ;B[or]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: no agui [4k\]: no Child [14k\]: yes ])) (;B[rm] ;W[sr] ;B[qr]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: who wins the capture race? farlaanjar [3k\]: b ki w ] (;W[so] ;B[sq]C[eda [10k\]: white kills? jantiff [-\]: how ? ]) (;W[oq] ;B[sn] ;W[rs]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: white makes KO ] ;B[qs]) (;W[] ;B[nm] ;W[nn] ;B[mn]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: but not enough to kill ] ;W[mo] ;B[om] ;W[no]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: but Black still have moves to get outside. Bad for white ]))) (;W[rm] ;B[rp] ;W[ro]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: What if black blocks. ] ;B[sq])))))))) (;B[be]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: lives in corner or run outside ] (;W[bc] ;B[ch]C[kgs25kyu [4d\]: nice ]) (;W[cf] ;B[dc] ;W[dd] ;B[bc] ;W[cb] ;B[db]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B B15 tesuji. ])))) (;W[fq] ;B[dj]C[artkid [12k\]: good morning ])) (;AW[ga][cb][gb][bc][cc][dc][ec][fc][gc]AB[fa][ha][bb][eb][hb][ac][hc][bd][hd][ce][ee][ge]C[shuuin [4k\]: hi Mr mingjiu zweitNick [5k\]: 1hr too late shuuin :) shuuin [4k\]: yeah^^ Qualx [9k\]: white dead farlaanjar [3k\]: w still die shuuin [4k\]: he can live petro [1d\]: ko Qualx [9k\]: how can he live? shuuin [4k\]: b19 icebucket [-\]: live Billator [2d\]: is ko Billator [2d\]: at least Qualx [9k\]: dead, without doubt farlaanjar [3k\]: dead Qualx [9k\]: where is his eyespace? savra [3k\]: ko Billator [2d\]: e19 AA101: ko TheChill [5k\]: ko Billator [2d\]: for ko zweitNick [5k\]: ll zweitNick [5k\]: lol Dita [1k\]: dead TheChill [5k\]: dead AA101: dead henzino [10k\]: dead shuuin [4k\]: no dead AA101: dead lupis [3k\]: dead zweitNick [5k\]: very hard to live :) Asumi [5d?\]: A18 seems not to weokr that easily Asumi [5d?\]: work* AA101: lve Billator [2d\]: is clear alive but we don't know how zweitNick [5k\]: cut through d15 :) Harok [5k\]: ko Harok [5k\]: oh no Apsel [9k\]: dead eda [10k\]: white can make a ko and live I guess shuuin [4k\]: hi harok^^ zweitNick [5k\]: i see a ko shuuin [4k\]: i see the black weakness keshigomu [2k\]: is this a problem Azaela [6k\]: ko shuuin [4k\]: mingjiu lose his tongue butcher [4k\]: a18 then c19? ] ;B[]C[icebucket [-\]: not yet petro [1d\]: D15? shimary [-\]: A 18 ] (;W[fb]C[lupis [3k\]: changed my mind alive :) icebucket [-\]: >.< ] ;B[ea]C[shuuin [4k\]: dead ]) (;W[ca] ;B[ab]) (;W[da]C[icebucket [-\]: B19 ] ;B[ab]) (;W[ea]C[zweitNick [5k\]: haha ] (;B[da]C[henzino [10k\]: d19 ] ;W[ab]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: d18 ] ;B[aa]C[petro [1d\]: B19 ] (;W[ca] ;B[ad]) (;W[db]C[shuuin [4k\]: seki? ] (;B[ea]) (;B[ad] ;W[fb] ;B[ea]C[kiyosumi [3d\]: oops shuuin [4k\]: dead ])) (;W[fb] (;B[ad] ;W[ea]) (;B[ea]C[eda [10k\]: b19 ] (;W[ca] ;B[ad]C[Assu [3d\]: B19 ]) (;W[ba]C[henzino [10k\]: nice! ] (;B[ca]C[agui [4k\]: Nice !! Billator [2d\]: I sad e19 henzino [10k\]: but its still dead zweitNick [5k\]: well done mister mingjiu ] ;W[db]C[Scribe [-\]: wow dsaun [1k\]: b tenuki :) mb76 [7k\]: nice shuuin [4k\]: a18 Dita [1k\]: b cries reed338 [5k?\]: black screwed ]) (;B[ad]))))) (;B[fb] ;W[db])) (;W[ab] ;B[aa] ;W[ea]C[icebucket [-\]: more earlier farlaanjar [3k\]: homework Assu [3d\]: if u throw in u lose 1 point :) icebucket [-\]: o well. ok ] ;B[da] ;W[fb] (;B[ea] ;W[ba]C[shuuin [4k\]: no icebucket [-\]: yes. agui [4k\]: no farlaanjar [3k\]: no steev [10k\]: where is the ko, if b not e19? icebucket [-\]: why didn't White play B19 at the begining Dita [1k\]: so w is just alive reed338 [5k?\]: no Dita [1k\]: no ko? ] ;B[ca] ;W[db]) (;B[ad]C[Billator [2d\]: is ko AA101: ko Dita [1k\]: B19 ] ;W[ba] (;B[ca] ;W[db]C[Dita [1k\]: no ko Dita [1k\]: :D shuuin [4k\]: haha Dita [1k\]: haha Dita [1k\]: yes that was my sequence ;( ]) (;B[ab]C[Dita [1k\]: :P shuuin [4k\]: ko shuuin [4k\]: no it's mine icebucket [-\]: Question: White lives with B19 at the begining no? shuuin [4k\]: no icebucket [-\]: first mvoe ] ;W[ea]C[Dita [1k\]: ahh ok ])))) (;B[ba] ;W[ca] ;B[bb] ;W[cb] ;B[bc] ;W[cc] ;B[cd]C[Assu [3d\]: "now time for the homework"!!! ] ;W[eb] ;B[dd] ;W[fc] ;B[ed] ;W[gc] ;B[fd] ;W[hb] ;B[hc] ;AB[jb][ic][kc][gd]C[shuuin [4k\]: black turn Billator [2d\]: f19 Assu [3d\]: bye Scribe [-\]: Homework ! Scribe [-\]: Dont say anything this week ! shuuin [4k\]: dead or alive thinktwice [?\]: bye Scribe [-\]: Wait till next week ! Assu [3d\]: black to play and kill shuuin [4k\]: i see dsaun [1k\]: looks like "w to play" on top indicator shuuin [4k\]: the answer Asumi [5d?\]: xiexie ni wbendick [9k\]: well its not Assu [3d\]: forgot to pass dsaun [1k\]: please pass ]))