(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi] DT[2007-04-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/] (;B[qa] ;W[ra] ;B[qb] ;W[rb] ;B[qc] ;W[rc] ;B[qd] ;W[rd] ;B[pe] ;W[qe] ;B[oe] ;W[qf] ;B[od] ;W[pd] ;B[oa] ;W[na] ;B[nb] ;W[ma] ;B[mb] ;W[la] ;B[md] ;AW[lb][lc][ld][me][nf][of][pf]LB[pb:A][oc:B]C[mingjiu [7p\]: hi badlooking [4d\]: hi Folamour [2k\]: hi ! onnenpeli [?\]: holla keshigomu [-\]: hi TotoroShan [1d\]: Hello Tibbsy [5k\]: hi mingjiu [7p\]: last week homework mingjiu [7p\]: white plays first badlooking [4d\]: Q18 Javaness [1d\]: P17 badlooking [4d\]: nm immortal [5k\]: is this one no sound? onnenpeli [?\]: HOMEWORK guys Aikasoneca [2k\]: p17 shuuin [4k\]: yeah shuuin [4k\]: i'm agree Javaness [1d\]: hi mingjiu Folamour [2k\]: yes shuuin [4k\]: yeah immortal [5k\]: yes TotoroShan [1d\]: yes lupis [3k\]: yes sounds fine pugh [7k\]: hello immortal [5k\]: p18 badlooking [4d\]: hi Schmid [14k?\]: hello @ all petro [1k\]: whie kills lupis [3k\]: and hello too immortal [5k\]: b died shuuin [4k\]: we know that petro [1k\]: can make a ko too, if you want keshigomu [-\]: hohoho Scribe [-\]: White to move MrShintou [1k\]: p17! =D petro [1k\]: P17 shuuin [4k\]: =) onnenpeli [?\]: p18 blackdark [1d\]: for live or kill ? badlooking [4d\]: kill shuuin [4k\]: 2 ways setsuna12 [6k\]: a? setsuna12 [6k\]: o.o badlooking [4d\]: b Javaness [1d\]: kill kill blackdark [1d\]: b ? MrShintou [-\]: B petro [1k\]: B MiraX [8k\]: B setsuna12 [6k\]: b blackdark [1d\]: b gofanatik [14k?\]: b shuuin [4k\]: b seems good blackdark [1d\]: yes blackdark [1d\]: b kill shuuin [4k\]: can you show it setsuna12 [6k\]: yes KeMbi [17k\]: yes Nessim [?\]: what is the level of this problem? immortal [5k\]: p18 derPlumps [3k\]: uff shodan2b [11k\]: O.o really? shodan2b [11k\]: >.> ] (;W[pb]C[Scribe [-\]: Homework from last week ] (;B[ob] ;W[pc] ;B[pa] ;W[nd]) (;B[pc]C[quasigoose [-\]: p18 keshigomu [-\]: o17 shuuin [4k\]: o17 badlooking [4d\]: p18 ] (;W[nc]C[gofanatik [14k?\]: p18 ] ;B[ob]C[soulmate [5d\]: yup ] ;W[oc] ;B[mc]C[Javaness [1d\]: o_O keshigomu [-\]: : / ]) (;W[ob]C[keshigomu [-\]: lol ] ;B[oc] ;W[nc]C[blackdark [1d\]: yes yithril [1d\]: cool blackdark [1d\]: good shuuin [4k\]: yeah Voron [3k\]: dead =) gofanatik [14k?\]: cool Schmid [14k?\]: but b q18 shuuin [4k\]: no shodan2b [11k\]: these problems are too hard for me -.- quasigoose [-\]: 1 W move p18 ? shuuin [4k\]: i'ts ok Schmid [14k?\]: sorry b plays q19 immortal [5k\]: p18 also kill TotoroShan [1d\]: if w start with p 18 ? ]))) (;W[oc]C[shuuin [4k\]: haha ] (;B[pc]C[Javaness [1d\]: poor black ] ;W[nc]C[onnenpeli [?\]: p18 shuuin [4k\]: ok^^ MrShintou [-\]: yep! shuuin [4k\]: dead ]) (;B[nc]C[petro [1k\]: P18 badlooking [4d\]: p18 setsuna12 [6k\]: q17 gofanatik [14k?\]: q`17 Javaness [1d\]: atari Javaness [1d\]: P18 setsuna12 [6k\]: no work setsuna12 [6k\]: << Javaness [1d\]: >> Kamisama [4k\]: *q17 shuuin [4k\]: o16 Aikasoneca [2k\]: o15 ? ] (;W[pc]C[badlooking [4d\]: q18 setsuna12 [6k\]: yop gofanatik [14k?\]: ment q18 Kamisama [4k\]: Q16 black has 18 ]) (;W[ob]C[keshigomu [-\]: haha quasigoose [-\]: so ko after p18 ] (;B[pa] ;W[nd]C[setsuna12 [6k\]: looooooooooo setsuna12 [6k\]: l ]) (;B[pb]C[partisan [4k\]: snap lol Javaness [1d\]: (^,^) yithril [1d\]: ko ])) (;W[pb]C[setsuna12 [6k\]: no ] (;B[ob] ;W[pc]) (;B[pc]C[setsuna12 [6k\]: miai ])))) (;W[nc] ;B[oc] ;W[pb] (;B[pc] ;W[ob]) (;B[ob]C[yithril [1d\]: life immortal [5k\]: p18 first ])) (;W[ob]C[TotoroShan [1d\]: ok ] (;B[pb]) (;B[pa]C[Voron [3k\]: =) ]))) (;B[dp]C[derPlumps [3k\]: professional 5 kyu onnenpeli [?\]: lol so easy ] ;W[qd] ;B[cd]C[immortal [5k\]: p18 kill Scribe [-\]: Where did the players make mistakes in the game so far ? ] ;W[ed]C[shuuin [4k\]: lol keshigomu [-\]: 5k here are overated haha ] ;B[df]C[shodan2b [11k\]: oh ok SunFlowers [8k\]: tricky ] (;W[cc]C[yithril [1d\]: who is playing? ]) (;W[pq]C[Ranout: this ] ;B[po] ;W[cc]C[Shana [5k\]: q5 mistake? ] ;B[bc]C[keshigomu [-\]: or justthe ranks * Ranout: D14 i dont like ] ;W[dc]C[partisan [4k\]: q3 mistake ] ;B[be] ;W[ic]C[derPlumps [3k\]: mingjiu is making a demo for us partisan [4k\]: so fast Nezrif [3k\]: here shuuin [4k\]: ^^ derPlumps [3k\]: c16 is bad MrShintou [-\]: J17 i don't like :( Nezrif [3k\]: I myself think of J17 as too far away play4fun [?\]: not modern Ranout: yeah rather H16 philiph [3d\]: j17 is perfect shuuin [4k\]: it's joseki icebucket [-\]: D14 I don't like philiph [3d\]: it's in right position with r16 ] ;B[od] ;W[oc] ;B[pd] ;W[pc]C[petro [1k\]: direction? petro [1k\]: wrong direction? ] ;B[qe] ;W[nd]C[BETEPAH [1k\]: d14 would feel better at d13 ] ;B[qc] ;W[rd] ;B[qb]C[yithril [1d\]: here is where the mistake is ] ;W[re] ;B[pf]C[Kamisama [4k\]: i think white choose the wrong joseki here ] ;W[qf] ;B[nc] ;W[pe]C[yithril [1d\]: wrong choice for b ] ;B[oe] ;W[of] ;B[ne] ;W[pg]C[yithril [1d\]: good for w quasigoose [-\]: D14 a loss but sente derPlumps [3k\]: b should develop right side m2 [6k\]: it's a mess for black AA101: n 16 agui [4k\]: capture ! Folamour [2k\]: n16 ! petro [1k\]: i do AA101: n 16 Ranout: n16 petro [1k\]: N16 yithril [1d\]: n16 Scribe [-\]: n16 is the joseki move...p18 is not the joseki move Scribe [-\]: Black should tenuki and support the single stone in the lower right Scribe [-\]: n16 makes white's j16 very well placed...better to tenuki ] (;B[ob]C[SunFlowers [8k\]: strange joeski partisan [4k\]: wow joseki with an ko? petro [1k\]: funny move gofanatik [14k?\]: double atari? ligo [?\]: extra slow shuuin [4k\]: good idea partisan [4k\]: mega slow icebucket [-\]: overplay gofanatik [14k?\]: why big mistake Nezrif [3k\]: I know it without Q7 kobuz [-\]: black has moyo in gote, white sure territory :\] ] (;W[pm]C[quasigoose [-\]: W still can make wall petro [1k\]: not me onnenpeli [?\]: tom tom ] (;B[oq]C[quasigoose [-\]: B could stretch r13 ladder is good petro [1k\]: wrong onnenpeli [?\]: but not to me I like to eat SunFlowers [8k\]: it;s nor an overplay, it's just slow Cladoo [-\]: not joseki Scribe [-\]: p3 is not joseki when white is one space pincer...with two space pincer, p3 is josek gofanatik [14k?\]: what is moyo ] (;W[or]C[hideyoshi [5k\]: little nadare ] ;B[op]C[quasigoose [-\]: p18 ? partisan [4k\]: iam to weak for this lesson :( hideyoshi [5k\]: avalanche ] ;W[nq] ;B[nr]C[icebucket [-\]: auto play. ] ;W[mr] ;B[pr] ;W[ns]C[Nezrif [3k\]: aji ] (;B[qr]C[MrShintou [-\]: good for b agui [4k\]: R3 derPlumps [3k\]: r3? Scribe [-\]: r2 is a mistake agui [4k\]: bad aji IamNoob [14k\]: r2 better partisan [4k\]: q7 petro [1k\]: O4 Nezrif [3k\]: r5 derPlumps [3k\]: r5? shuuin [4k\]: tenuki better Scribe [-\]: r2 leaves aji that will damage Black BETEPAH [1k\]: q7 ) ] (;W[fq]C[badlooking [4d\]: why not n16 instead of p18 ? Ranout: going out atP6 is worth more then a few points ] ;B[fp] ;W[gp] ;B[fo] ;W[eq] ;B[dq]C[Kamisama [4k\]: this is a basic joseki but, i wonder if its good when black has Q5 already, hmmm Ranout: yeah i expected P18 to be on N16 too Scribe [-\]: What is the difference between playing c6 and d6 ] (;W[iq]TR[iq]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Nornal joseki is D6 for B partisan [4k\]: d7 dosnt work for b? icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: THis is because of White J3 cynewulf [-\]: c6 here? quasigoose [-\]: xant B give way by extending d5 after W E4 ? MrShintou [-\]: why this instead of D6 is there a big reason? ] (;B[cj]LB[ob:31][qb:21][bc:9][cc:8][dc:10][ic:12][nc:25][oc:14][pc:16][qc:19][cd:3][ed:4][nd:18][od:13][pd:15][qd:2][rd:20][be:11][ne:29][oe:27][pe:26][qe:17][re:22][df:5][of:28][pf:23][qf:24][pg:30][cj:49][pm:32][fo:45][po:7][dp:1][fp:43][gp:44][op:35][dq:47][eq:46][fq:42][nq:36][oq:33][pq:6][mr:38][nr:37][or:34][pr:39][qr:41][ns:40]TR[iq]C[petro [1k\]: expecting tengen joseki Scribe [-\]: Four corners....four joseki derPlumps [3k\]: after j3, is c10 possible? petro [1k\]: should defend here philiph [3d\]: How about leave that useless commentary :( Ranout: F3 to O4 shuuin [4k\]: now CynicalCid [11k?\]: c16 isn't bad, but d14 looks a bit weird J074r0kun6 [2d\]: end game Folamour [2k\]: c10 should be at d6 ? AA101: 31 is bad? philiph [3d\]: d6 is slow kaczki [4d\]: move 18 Scribe [-\]: Four corners, four joseki, 49 moves...which moves were bad or poorly chosen shuuin [4k\]: ready^^ MrShintou [-\]: move 49 wrong =D Folamour [2k\]: no Scribe [-\]: Please show we p6 is not possible after r2 icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Last one anyone know about this joseki. derPlumps [3k\]: defend cut partisan [4k\]: 49 to far away or? petro [1k\]: black should defend derPlumps [3k\]: d6 Folamour [2k\]: d6 partisan [4k\]: b d7? pugh [7k\]: no b corner is too big MrShintou [-\]: 49 should be at D6 i think Ranout: 42 bettter other side Angrolfin [5k\]: what about e4 for black and cut? AA101: b c9? ] ;W[ep] ;B[eo] ;W[do]C[Angrolfin [5k\]: for white* shodan2b [11k\]: thanks ice Scribe [-\]: When White plays close at j3, Black should defend at d6 Aret [3k\]: d6 ] (;B[co]C[lemuria [1d\]: gets complicated :) ] ;W[dn] ;B[cn] ;W[dm] ;B[cm] ;W[dl] ;B[cl] ;W[dk]TR[eo][fo][fp]C[max [1d\]: black D5 instead of E5 agui [4k\]: black very better SunFlowers [8k\]: looks bad for b Ranout: with white O5 lingering black is lost controle centre shuuin [4k\]: yeah icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: ver y sad for B the marke 3 stones are in deep trouble shuuin [4k\]: poor b Scribe [-\]: Black three stones are so weak ]) (;B[dn] ;W[co] ;B[cn] ;W[bp]C[Scribe [-\]: Now Black can kill white after the descent to d2 in sente ] (;B[bq] ;W[bn] ;B[bm] (;W[cm]C[Scribe [-\]: White can not be killed ]) (;W[cq]C[partisan [4k\]: whats the problem if b defends at d7? (i often do) SunFlowers [8k\]: icky ])) (;B[dr]LB[iq:A][jq:B]TR[dr]C[icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: B kills white ] (;W[gq] ;B[bn]C[jasonlai [2d\]: ko @.@ ] ;W[br] ;B[cp] ;W[bo] ;B[bq] ;W[aq]C[Folamour [2k\]: no ko ] ;B[cq]C[Xorax [3d\]: how is d2 sente? ] (;W[ar] ;B[ap]) (;W[ap] ;B[ar] ;W[as]C[gofanatik [14k?\]: a1 ] ;B[an]C[Nezrif [3k\]: black could get even more libertys with threatening the f3 group ])) (;W[bn])))) (;B[dn]C[SunFlowers [8k\]: so precise agui [4k\]: yes onnenpeli [?\]: no gofanatik [14k?\]: yes pugh [7k\]: yes Wishmaster [7k\]: yep icebucket [-\]: The joseki variation depends on the position of W vs B TotoroShan [1d\]: y shuuin [4k\]: i think partisan [4k\]: d2 sente still is hard to understand for me rCr [5k\]: understand yeah. but way out of my reading abilities... Codexus [6k\]: yeah i'm finally starting to understand this joseki ] ;W[no]) (;B[cn]C[Scribe [-\]: c6 is also joseki Ranout: i think they intend to play black C6, yes ])) (;W[jq]C[partisan [4k\]: thx! ] ;B[cj]C[Scribe [-\]: if j3 was at k3 then d2 for black is a sente move ] ;W[ep] ;B[eo] ;W[do] ;B[dr]C[Nezrif [3k\]: but can't black get more libertys in sente, if white doesn't defend Xorax [3d\]: : ) icebucket [-\]: W has to protected G3 cut otherwise it gets kill ] (;W[gq] ;B[dn] ;W[co] ;B[cn]C[MrShintou [-\]: instead of D6 i see professionals play at C6 ] (;W[bo] ;B[bn] ;W[bq] ;B[br] ;W[ar]C[partisan [4k\]: why g3? ] ;B[bs]) (;W[bp] ;B[bn])) (;W[er] (;B[dn] ;W[co] ;B[cn]) (;B[gq] ;W[gr] ;B[hq] ;W[hr] ;B[dn] ;W[co] ;B[cn] ;W[bp]C[partisan [4k\]: instead of d6 ] ;B[bn] (;W[br] ;B[bq] ;W[cq]C[Scribe [-\]: Ko is too heavy for white ] ;B[cp] ;W[bo] ;B[cr] ;W[aq] ;B[ao] ;W[cq] ;B[es] ;W[fr] ;B[bq]C[partisan [4k\]: ah nice local threat e1 derPlumps [3k\]: o14 partisan [4k\]: yeah i see partisan [4k\]: thx a lot ]) (;W[cr] (;B[cp] ;W[bo]) (;B[cq]C[icebucket [-\]: C3! wow nice ] ;W[br] ;B[es] ;W[fr] ;B[bq])) (;W[bq]C[icebucket [-\]: that's MrShintou's question above ] ;B[br] ;W[ar] ;B[es] ;W[fr]C[gofanatik [14k?\]: that was a great move ] ;B[bs]C[partisan [4k\]: ok now i got it ^^ partisan [4k\]: yeah * ! icebucket [-\]: yeap! derPlumps [3k\]: mingjiu is a genius gofanatik [14k?\]: wow c3 thats cool Ranout: showing off corner-knowledge ^^ MrShintou [-\]: Ming Jiu: Many times I see in professional games (C6) instead of (D6) what is the reason? icebucket [-\]: Shintou had a question cynewulf [-\]: 5d? not 5k? partisan [4k\]: good question ^^ derPlumps [3k\]: what about c6 ? icebucket [-\]: Question.... on C6 vs D6 partisan [4k\]: fix black at c6 icebucket [-\]: MrShintou had a question MrShintou [-\]: in the joseki partisan [4k\]: avter the joseki started ])))) (;W[hp]C[partisan [4k\]: o nice ^^ ] ;B[dn] ;W[no])) (;W[ro]C[Aret [3k\]: r4 ? ]) (;W[no]C[partisan [4k\]: o Scribe [-\]: White plays to seal Black into the corner icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: Black shoulud atari with R3. Because of Aji. Something like O5 for White shuuin [4k\]: ok icebucket [-\]: mingjiu[7p\]: a few lost point for B is not too much because B has P6! ])) (;B[qq]C[kobuz [-\]: r3 is better ] ;W[ps] ;B[qr] ;W[no] ;B[on])) (;W[pp] ;B[op]C[quasigoose [-\]: q4 ? cerenias [6k?\]: p5 at r6? ] ;W[qo]C[Scribe [-\]: white is betteri Scribe [-\]: white connects easily ] ;B[oo] ;W[qn]C[icebucket [-\]: good for W partisan [4k\]: w! derPlumps [3k\]: b philiph [3d\]: w Nezrif [3k\]: w SunFlowers [8k\]: white gofanatik [14k?\]: black Shana [5k\]: w Folamour [2k\]: white ! pugh [7k\]: w sushi1 [?\]: terrible for b Javaness [1d\]: black IamNoob [14k\]: white kobuz [-\]: white gofanatik [14k?\]: whte i mean Mysterio [9k\]: ehite AA101: b Bodo212 [8k\]: w derPlumps [3k\]: good for b Mysterio [9k\]: white onnenpeli [?\]: lol just flip a coin ])) (;B[no] ;W[nq] ;B[qq] ;W[qr]C[shuuin [4k\]: maybe ] ;B[qp] ;W[rr] ;B[qm] ;W[ql] ;B[pl]C[Scribe [-\]: learn this joseki savra [3k\]: gofanatik: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Moyo shuuin [4k\]: yeah IamNoob [14k\]: yup SunFlowers [8k\]: ya ] (;W[qk] ;B[ol] ;W[rm] ;B[qn]LB[qh:B][pi:A]C[philiph [3d\]: not good Ranout: the distance of the hasami matters much in the pattern ]) (;W[om]C[icebucket [-\]: ?? ] ;B[qk] ;W[rl] (;B[rm] ;W[rk]TR[qd][rd][pe][re][qf][pg] ;B[qj] ;W[rj] ;B[qi] ;W[ri]C[icebucket [-\]: looking really good for B shuuin [4k\]: white resign Atlet [5k\]: p10 ? gofanatik [14k?\]: thanks partisan [4k\]: p9? ]) (;B[rk]C[quasigoose [-\]: hard for B to start fierce fight there philiph [3d\]: r6 ] ;W[rm] ;B[qn] ;W[pk] ;B[ol] ;W[pj] ;B[nl] ;W[rn]C[shodan2b [11k\]: where's the scribe? ] ;B[ro]C[Scribe [-\]: White kills two stones as does Black ] (;W[rj] ;B[nm]) (;W[qj]C[icebucket [-\]: scribe you doing it or I should take over? ] ;B[nm]TR[qd][rd][pe][re][of][qf][pg][pj][qj][pk]C[shodan2b [11k\]: please take over -.- lemuria [1d\]: white overconcentrated? philiph [3d\]: black overconcentrated quasigoose [-\]: good for B Scribe [-\]: result is good for Black, white is overconcentrated philiph [3d\]: :D SunFlowers [8k\]: ah,i see BETEPAH [1k\]: w too much stones partisan [4k\]: ah go is so complex ^^ Scribe [-\]: White line 10 and line 13 are too close together ]))) (;W[qn] ;B[rm] ;W[pn] ;B[rn] ;W[qo] (;B[pp] ;W[ro] ;B[qk]) (;B[ro] ;W[pp]C[Scribe [-\]: Good for Black ])))) (;W[pl] ;B[oq] ;W[or]C[derPlumps [3k\]: icecream ])) (;B[md]TR[ic]C[m2 [6k\]: there's a white wall against q5 quasigoose [-\]: but earlier R13, no ? shuuin [4k\]: q5 is bad Gotakun [6k\]: 10 q philiph [3d\]: need j15? ]) (;B[qq] ;W[md] (;B[me] (;W[mc]C[Scribe [-\]: d14 stone prevents white from making a big moyo on the top ] ;B[nb] ;W[le]TR[mc][md][nd][le][df]C[shuuin [4k\]: big moyo shuuin [4k\]: ok shuuin [4k\]: clear Nezrif [3k\]: yes onnenpeli [?\]: almost agui [4k\]: yes ]) (;W[nb] ;B[mc] ;W[mb] ;B[ld] ;W[pb] ;B[lb]C[derPlumps [3k\]: bad shuuin [4k\]: bad for b philiph [3d\]: j15 is too weak derPlumps [3k\]: bad for w ])) (;B[ob] ;W[mc] ;B[nb]TR[qq]C[jasonlai [2d\]: n14 lol shuuin [4k\]: good for w Scribe [-\]: Black is alive ])) (;B[np]))) (;B[pd] ;W[nc] ;B[lc] ;W[ne]C[derPlumps [3k\]: see it sometimest after q 14 ] (;B[md]C[Nezrif [3k\]: doesn't look like onnenpeli [?\]: o16 Nezrif [3k\]: R16? kobuz [-\]: aji keshi ? Uberdude [1d\]: q17 Pasukaru [1k\]: many koreans play it to me partisan [4k\]: ok^^ AA101: r 17? TotoroShan [1d\]: ok Scribe [-\]: Homework: How does White respond to Black n16 quasigoose [-\]: q17 ? ]) (;B[pf]) (;B[qf])) (;B[rp] ;W[rq]C[icebucket [-\]: ok ] ;B[ro] ;W[qp] ;B[qo] ;W[pp] ;B[po] ;W[op] ;B[oo] ;W[oq] ;B[np] ;W[or] ;B[no] ;AB[mr][nr]C[Scribe [-\]: Dan level Homework shodan2b [11k\]: oh boy ... >.> Javaness [1d\]: If I can't do it I get demoted shodan2b [11k\]: lol IamNoob [14k\]: lol guojuan [5p\]: I am here :) Calyx [2k\]: thx SunFlowers [8k\]: thank you agui [4k\]: Thank you very much !! Scribe [-\]: Xiexie Mingjiu Laoshi gofanatik [14k?\]: ty Codexus [6k\]: thanks ScarletFox [11k\]: thank you :-) FlameBlade [-\]: thank you Javaness [1d\]: thank you guojuan [5p\]: thanks to mingjiu dttk [11k\]: thx TotoroShan [1d\]: thank you ! quasigoose [-\]: thank you Shikasta [4k\]: thxs Scribe [-\]: Thanks to the Ing Goe Foundation thinktwice [?\]: thank you vLuca [7k\]: thx jpladet [11k\]: thank you very much shodan2b [11k\]: thank you very much Folamour [2k\]: thx ! pelister [13k\]: thank you Javaness [1d\]: we love Ing Foudation Wishmaster [7k\]: thanks Sonni [1k\]: thank you rCr [5k\]: thank you thanhnhi1 [4k?\]: thx JYPPZ [7k\]: thx onnenpeli [?\]: blaah kobuz [-\]: thanks Batavia [5k\]: thank you Aret [3k\]: Thank you MrShintou [-\]: thank you Ming Jiu! sawasdee [1d?\]: Thanks James83 [15k\]: thanks Angrolfin [5k\]: thank you! IamNoob [14k\]: thanks mingjiu lupis [3k\]: thx for the lecture and see you next time shuuin [4k\]: see you ]))